M3/M4 [Reviews] BMW M3 Saloon & M4 Coupe

[LaArtist]

A purple BMW. I think I like it.

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my god what a lovely color, i love dark purple cars..what is this called?

 

[Rainer271]

my god what a lovely color, i love dark purple cars..what is this called?

It must be "Twilight Purple".

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/rare-coloured-bmws.23769/page-12#post-792933

 

[Rolf]

The M4 seems to be a very reliable car with very good consumption over the 25000mile (40000km) period. Very very impressive and lovely car indeed.

 

[Cashmere]

Snippet on the M4 from the EVO group review:

I think that BMW M has lost its sense of direction under Van Meel's leadership. Hope they pull up their socks for the next gen.

 

[Matski]

I think that BMW M has lost its sense of direction under Van Meel's leadership. Hope they pull up their socks for the next gen.

To be fair, Franciscus van Meel hasn't been at the helm of M long enough to have had is leadership embodied yet. I think the current M line-up is still Nitschke's legacy.

 

[Cashmere]

To be fair, Franciscus van Meel hasn't been at the helm of M long enough to have had is leadership embodied yet. I think the current M line-up is still Nitschke's legacy.

You're right. I renege the bit about van Meel.

 

[Zafiro]

M3 owners reviews his new Alfa GIULIA QUADRIFOGLIO.

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[hovabongZA]

You're right. I renege the bit about van Meel.

The F90 M5 is the car that we can judge Mr Meel on and the direction BMW M will take for future M products.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Judging by the interview van Meel knows what he is doing. I think he's heading into the right direction. Although AMG is super strong at the moment. (MB in general)

 

[SCOTT27]

The F90 M5 is the car that we can judge Mr Meel on and the direction BMW M will take for future M products.

The M5 was finished under Herr Meel but conceived under Herr Biermann. Look to the forthcoming M4 CS,X3M,X4M,M8 and M2 CS for his touch.

 

[manuelf]

What is very interesting to see with the F8x platform, if you look at the course of the last 3 years, is, that ///M was at lengthy learning curve. The thing is, that the platform is obviously much more tricky than the previous E9x one! I think there are various reasons. The most important one is the shift from the low torque high rev NA to the torque plateau monster fi engine!
The initial attempt 2014 was much too edgy! ///M had real problems to handle the low rev torque ... snappy power oversteer and bad traction on corner exit were critizised regularly. Although ///M had more capable hardware at hand with the F8x (much improved rear axle, wider track, more sophisticated lock diff at roughly same weight) at market introduction the cars development was simply not finished! I think even before introduction of the Competition Paket there were some setup tweaks. I remember later tests of F8x (end 2015/begin 2016), were it wasn't that hard to drive fast. An indication that software updates for engine/diff were already trickling into series production.
Then with the advent of the CP there was a big sep ahead with overall handling improvement. Again big tweaks with software setup accompanied with hardware changes (wheels with meatier tyre, springs and stabilizers) lead to a big jump in performance. At least to a degree bigger than with the CP in E9x platform!
The problem is, that the group of journalists, which are really able to evaluate this, is relatively small. In german magazines the most prominent ones are Christian Gebhardt (sport auto, supertest driver) and Manuel Iglisch (Autobild sportscars) - they both had instantly high praises for the CP variants of the F8x and they laid down impressive track times with the CP... much faster than with the early vanilla F8x before.
Starting from those results the rest of the german motorjournalists seemed to copycat those high praises...

Then came the M4 CS... and even though I'm a bit pissed, that BMW did put such a high price tag on it ... it remarkebly shows, that now ///M has understood their F8x plaform and now exactly knows, where to tweak and tune!
The newest Nürburgring time for the CS published by ///M is now 7:35. This is just 7 seconds short of the non-compromise GTS with totally different suspension (KW), big aero and added 40hp/waterinjection.
It would be interesting to see, how ///M copes with the next M3/4... they should then be used to the changed requirements of FI engines in this segment. If they get the performance, which it took until the CP in F8x, already into the vanilla G2x and the culmination of the CS of the F8x into the G2x CP ... that would be great and the real counter to the next releases of GiuliaQV and AMG C63

 

[hovabongZA]

^^^ the brilliant CLAR platform will also help the new G2x and future M products ,we've seen how new 5er has performed brilliant and sits on top of it class.

 

[mini_cooper4]

While the F generation of cars are amazing all-round vehicles they all(F20 excl.) feel un-BMW like to me.
I'll remember it as the lost generation(or F for Fail). The only car that appeals to me drive wise is the F20.
The F10 is brilliant and a great luxury car but it's such a pig. While one of the best all around cars money can buy the F30 is a jack of all trades but clearly a master of none... extremely soulless for what's meant to be the best representation of BMW's core values and soul. I won't even touch on the M cars... I'll just say that for the first time in my life I don't like a single M car currently in production.

I can't describe how happy I am to finally see the F generation gone for good.
I'll really miss the F20 though.
Glad to see that BMW is addressing all these issues and is scraping the F in just one cycle.
Seems like most of the Flaws are already sorted with the new Gen. BMW's.

Make the 3er great again!

//all personal opinion//

 

[Matski]

Glad to see that BMW is addressing all these issues and is scraping the F in just one cycle.

There are numerous F designated models yet to come, it's not so much as they scrapped it in one cycle, they've just used up most of the numbers much faster than they did with E's, mostly through the introduction of new models, and a restructure of how they actually numbered them, for example the were 8 different models to bare the E36 designation, nowadays that would be 8 different F numbers. Mini was also included in the F numbers, rather than the prior R numbers they used. There's also the question of how much the code letter actually signifies a platform or development shift.

 

[martinbo]

Isn't a four door passenger car designed to combine a myriad of seemingly contrasting disciplines bound to only ever be a jack of all trades?

 

[mini_cooper4]

There are numerous F designated models yet to come, it's not so much as they scrapped it in one cycle, they've just used up most of the numbers much faster than they did with E's, mostly through the introduction of new models, and a restructure of how they actually numbered them, for example the were 8 different models to bare the E36 designation, nowadays that would be 8 different F numbers. Mini was also included in the F numbers, rather than the prior R numbers they used. There's also the question of how much the code letter actually signifies a platform or development shift.

F stands for FWD now. UKL in BMW terms.
My post has little to do with designation though.
All I used these letters for is to make clear which generation of vehicles I was talking about.
To answer your question: This time around it signifies a significant change in platform and obviously a development shift.

 

[Matski]

F stands for FWD now. UKL in BMW terms.
My post has little to do with designation though.
All I used these letters for is to make clear which generation of vehicles I was talking about.
To answer your question: This time around it signifies a significant change in platform and obviously a development shift.

I get what you're saying, I was just pointing out that the F development code hasn't lasted long because of changes to the way they apply the codes. I doubt the G code will either, we're already up to G31!

 

[mini_cooper4]

I get what you're saying, I was just pointing out that the F development code hasn't lasted long because of changes to the way they apply the codes. I doubt the G code will either, we're already up to G31!

True. I can't disagree with that.