Preview : CLA , A3, Gran Coupe ,1er, MINI?

[SCOTT27]

 

[SCOTT27]

no don't screw the Roller up, Rolls Royce ok? it doesn't need a SUV model please.
THere are so many models in the BMW line up, perhaps still less than VAG but god, i just hope they will stay focused, don't lose the soul, don't lose the uniqueness, don't lose the meaning in each car. imo the X4 concept is an example of too many models and they don't have much to dream up anymore. Making 5 models in the same era that all look unique with correct character i think is better than having 15 models that doesn't convey meaning. E46 E39 E38, perfect example of how well the characters were.

This time 2 years from now we will be discussing the BMW X2. Which will provide consistency between the Sportier niche models under the X brand and the sportier 2er , 4er and 6er models with the possibility of an 8.
You cannot take BMW back to the 3er , 5er and 7er those days are long gone. BMWs standing goal is to remain independent and remain premium and for that the company has grown and will grow further. SUVs in all segments and the compact and sub-compact segments are important. Why else do you think that Daimlers shareholders made the board put a compact , sub-compact strategy on to the table?
Cars like the X4 , Ghibli , CLA , Macan and Pajun are all about growth. And it's going to continue.

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[Levi68]

Not too soon, the coupe will be first

BMW showed the 6 Series GranCoupé Concept (1:1 scale model) before the 6 Series Coupé Concept. 6 Series Convertible was the first to enter production. The whole contrary of 4 Series, where we had the 4 Series Coupé Concept, we'll then have the production version, the Convertible and only then the GranCoupé.

 

[Levi68]

This time 2 years from now we will be discussing the BMW X2. Which will provide consistency between the Sportier niche models under the X brand and the sportier 2er , 4er and 6er models with the possibility of an 8.
You cannot take BMW back to the 3er , 5er and 7er those days are long gone. BMWs standing goal is to remain independent and remain premium and for that the company has grown and will grow further. SUVs in all segments and the compact and sub-compact segments are important. Why else do you think that Daimlers shareholders made the board put a compact , sub-compact strategy on to the table?
Cars like the X4 , Ghibli , CLA , Macan and Pajun are all about growth. And it's going to continue.

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That is the reason not to believe any promisses from BMW. They said they did not want any Rolls Royce SUV, for this there'll be the X7/X8. They can't keep their word. It all but air. As for the Z2 or the M Supercar, it is a decade already, there is not s single sign of them.

 

[aleks_16]

That is the reason not to believe any promisses from BMW. They said they did not want any Rolls Royce SUV, for this there'll be the X7/X8. They can't keep their word. It all but air. As for the Z2 or the M Supercar, it is a decade already, there is not s single sign of them.

Don´t forged the "8er" a.k.a. Concept CS.

 

[Huckfeldt]

This time 2 years from now we will be discussing the BMW X2.

Now you are just making things up just like how there was going to be a Z2 or Z3 or Z8 , which NONE is even in the drawing boards.

There is NO PLAN for an X2 just like Audi is not planning a Q4.

"BMW has no plans for an entry-level BMW X2"


Read more about the niches that some carmakers are not entering as the German big 3 differentiate their niches on the link below. I'd take the words of Georg Kacher over any "creative" marketing (read : make as many "creative stories" as possible, 50 future models from BMW whereas reality is only 5 more SUV/SAV/GTs )

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret...-X4-and-X6-rivals--but-which-niches-are-next/

 

[klier]

BMW showed the 6 Series GranCoupé Concept (1:1 scale model) before the 6 Series Coupé Concept. 6 Series Convertible was the first to enter production. The whole contrary of 4 Series, where we had the 4 Series Coupé Concept, we'll then have the production version, the Convertible and only then the GranCoupé.

Doesn't matter what they will show first and when, the coupe will be launched before the GC.

That is the reason not to believe any promisses from BMW. They said they did not want any Rolls Royce SUV, for this there'll be the X7/X8. They can't keep their word. It all but air. As for the Z2 or the M Supercar, it is a decade already, there is not s single sign of them.

I agree mostly, but BMW didn't 'say' anything. Don't confuse people like Scott to be something official from the BMW AG.

Go read up on official BMW PR. They will not be a single word on cars like the Z2, X7 or M super car.
You wanting those cars is one thing, actually getting them is something different altogether.

Cars like the X4 , Ghibli , CLA , Macan and Pajun are all about growth. And it's going to continue.

Growth is a great, great disease for premium brands.


Growth why? To make premium cars cheaper in the end. The irony alone......

 

[Levi68]

I agree mostly, but BMW didn't 'say' anything. Don't confuse people like Scott to be something official from the BMW AG.

Isn't Scott part of BMW's PR? It is not like we get correct information before official release. Are not the enthusiasts/fans/dreamers/owners/what-ever-else the ones who fuel desire of others?

Growth why? To make premium cars cheaper in the end. The irony alone......

Growth to increase margin and satisfy the shareholders.

 

[SCOTT27]

Now you are just making things up just like how there was going to be a Z2 or Z3 or Z8 , which NONE is even in the drawing boards.

There is NO PLAN for an X2 just like Audi is not planning a Q4.

"BMW has no plans for an entry-level BMW X2"



Read more about the niches that some carmakers are not entering as the German big 3 differentiate their niches on the link below. I'd take the words of Georg Kacher over any "creative" marketing (read : make as many "creative stories" as possible, 50 future models from BMW whereas reality is only 5 more SUV/SAV/GTs )

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret...-X4-and-X6-rivals--but-which-niches-are-next/

Noted. But we were here before with the X4. And because of the X1s close proximity to MINI in the new UKL matrix , the X2 is one of the 23 new models announced on the BMW/MINI UKL strategy. And it is coming because the sub-compact / compact segment for SUVs is growing.
Look at the MINI Countryman and its PACEMAN counterpart. Countryman has been a huge success and the PACEMAN is in demand. Why should BMW not follow suit with the X1 and X2?
The clue to X2 is actually apparent with the X4 and X6 and of course the BMW Gran Coupe series which shows the potential for a smaller model in the series and growing compact sedan segment. Of course this is BMW and no segment or niche is left untouched.
Sport Activity Coupe? , Progressive Activity Sedan? , Gran Coupe? You get the idea and there is more undiscovered territory that BMW are investigating. As for Audi they will have direct competitors because to quote Norbert Reithofer "we know exactly what they do because we do it first".

In the current state of the market there is very much progressive change - Premium is outselling volume, segments are showing decline in favour of practical and progressive sports cars. And the SUV continues to rise that it is infiltrating segments on a global scale.
The luxury market is one example showing more emphasis on luxury SUVs , but also the small sports car segment especially for German brands is not doing well either globally. The auto industry is an every day melting pot of change , progression and cancellation. Decisions go to where the segments need that progression and which generate response and sales. Everything decided one day can be altered , aborted or adapted the next. As for a BMW sports car there is one planned for the 100th anniversary not only will it be innovative it will also be profitable thanks to the CFRP investment that BMW have invested billions on. Then you have the agreement with Toyota which will not be the last.

The current MZ8 design study doing the rounds of the automotive web is not the car itself but it does show some of the thinking at BMW, which is why I am questioned why I post images of amateur sketches? The reason why is to illustrate the thinking and creativity at BMW design because these artists were interns, they have a feel and the sense of what is required from Munich and that does not leave a designer when they embark on sketches to keep their skills updated that you understand the need for strong personality and innovation because that was required of you as a designer.

 

[Huckfeldt]

Noted. But we were here before with the X4. And because of the X1s close proximity to MINI in the new UKL matrix , the X2 is one of the 23 new models announced on the BMW/MINI UKL strategy. And it is coming because the sub-compact / compact segment for SUVs is growing.
Look at the MINI Countryman and its PACEMAN counterpart. Countryman has been a huge success and the PACEMAN is in demand. Why should BMW not follow suit with the X1 and X2?
The clue to X2 is actually apparent with the X4 and X6 and of course the BMW Gran Coupe series which shows the potential for a smaller model in the series and growing compact sedan segment. Of course this is BMW and no segment or niche is left untouched.
Sport Activity Coupe? , Progressive Activity Sedan? , Gran Coupe? You get the idea and there is more undiscovered territory that BMW are investigating. As for Audi they will have direct competitors because to quote Norbert Reithofer "we know exactly what they do because we do it first".

In the current state of the market there is very much progressive change - Premium is outselling volume, segments are showing decline in favour of practical and progressive sports cars. And the SUV continues to rise that it is infiltrating segments on a global scale.
The luxury market is one example showing more emphasis on luxury SUVs , but also the small sports car segment especially for German brands is not doing well either globally. The auto industry is an every day melting pot of change , progression and cancellation. Decisions go to where the segments need that progression and which generate response and sales. Everything decided one day can be altered , aborted or adapted the next. As for a BMW sports car there is one planned for the 100th anniversary not only will it be innovative it will also be profitable thanks to the CFRP investment that BMW have invested billions on. Then you have the agreement with Toyota which will not be the last.

The current MZ8 design study doing the rounds of the automotive web is not the car itself but it does show some of the thinking at BMW, which is why I am questioned why I post images of amateur sketches? The reason why is to illustrate the thinking and creativity at BMW design because these artists were interns, they have a feel and the sense of what is required from Munich and that does not leave a designer when they embark on sketches to keep their skills updated that you understand the need for strong personality and innovation because that was required of you as a designer.

Bull excrement.

I dare you, not in the next two years as you claimed, will there be any spy pics or mule or whatever that is the X2.

Mark today's date and two years from now eat your own words. Wait a minute, you do it all the time!

 

[bimmerjph]

Noted. But we were here before with the X4. And because of the X1s close proximity to MINI in the new UKL matrix , the X2 is one of the 23 new models announced on the BMW/MINI UKL strategy. And it is coming because the sub-compact / compact segment for SUVs is growing.
Look at the MINI Countryman and its PACEMAN counterpart. Countryman has been a huge success and the PACEMAN is in demand. Why should BMW not follow suit with the X1 and X2?
The clue to X2 is actually apparent with the X4 and X6 and of course the BMW Gran Coupe series which shows the potential for a smaller model in the series and growing compact sedan segment. Of course this is BMW and no segment or niche is left untouched.
Sport Activity Coupe? , Progressive Activity Sedan? , Gran Coupe? You get the idea and there is more undiscovered territory that BMW are investigating. As for Audi they will have direct competitors because to quote Norbert Reithofer "we know exactly what they do because we do it first".

In the current state of the market there is very much progressive change - Premium is outselling volume, segments are showing decline in favour of practical and progressive sports cars. And the SUV continues to rise that it is infiltrating segments on a global scale.
The luxury market is one example showing more emphasis on luxury SUVs , but also the small sports car segment especially for German brands is not doing well either globally. The auto industry is an every day melting pot of change , progression and cancellation. Decisions go to where the segments need that progression and which generate response and sales. Everything decided one day can be altered , aborted or adapted the next. As for a BMW sports car there is one planned for the 100th anniversary not only will it be innovative it will also be profitable thanks to the CFRP investment that BMW have invested billions on. Then you have the agreement with Toyota which will not be the last.

The current MZ8 design study doing the rounds of the automotive web is not the car itself but it does show some of the thinking at BMW, which is why I am questioned why I post images of amateur sketches? The reason why is to illustrate the thinking and creativity at BMW design because these artists were interns, they have a feel and the sense of what is required from Munich and that does not leave a designer when they embark on sketches to keep their skills updated that you understand the need for strong personality and innovation because that was required of you as a designer.

Noted. But we were here before with the X4. And because of the X1s close proximity to MINI in the new UKL matrix , the X2 is one of the 23 new models announced on the BMW/MINI UKL strategy. And it is coming because the sub-compact / compact segment for SUVs is growing.
Look at the MINI Countryman and its PACEMAN counterpart. Countryman has been a huge success and the PACEMAN is in demand. Why should BMW not follow suit with the X1 and X2?
The clue to X2 is actually apparent with the X4 and X6 and of course the BMW Gran Coupe series which shows the potential for a smaller model in the series and growing compact sedan segment. Of course this is BMW and no segment or niche is left untouched.
Sport Activity Coupe? , Progressive Activity Sedan? , Gran Coupe? You get the idea and there is more undiscovered territory that BMW are investigating. As for Audi they will have direct competitors because to quote Norbert Reithofer "we know exactly what they do because we do it first".

In the current state of the market there is very much progressive change - Premium is outselling volume, segments are showing decline in favour of practical and progressive sports cars. And the SUV continues to rise that it is infiltrating segments on a global scale.
The luxury market is one example showing more emphasis on luxury SUVs , but also the small sports car segment especially for German brands is not doing well either globally. The auto industry is an every day melting pot of change , progression and cancellation. Decisions go to where the segments need that progression and which generate response and sales. Everything decided one day can be altered , aborted or adapted the next. As for a BMW sports car there is one planned for the 100th anniversary not only will it be innovative it will also be profitable thanks to the CFRP investment that BMW have invested billions on. Then you have the agreement with Toyota which will not be the last.

The current MZ8 design study doing the rounds of the automotive web is not the car itself but it does show some of the thinking at BMW, which is why I am questioned why I post images of amateur sketches? The reason why is to illustrate the thinking and creativity at BMW design because these artists were interns, they have a feel and the sense of what is required from Munich and that does not leave a designer when they embark on sketches to keep their skills updated that you understand the need for strong personality and innovation because that was required of you as a designer.

As I have said before. BMW's problem with the Z4 is marketing. All BMW does now days is scream facts and figures in my ear. Honestly, I don't give an elephants butthole that it gets .00003 mpg more than X Car, that it has 0.027384 inches more leg room than car Y, or that it costs $0.0000000000000001 less than car Z. As I have said you have to make people want sports cars. The other problem is that the current Z4 really offers no advantages over a E93 other than looks. So why would anyone buy it? Its not particularly sporty, its more expensive, its less practical, and its harder to find on the dealer lots. I WILL be in the roadster market about the time the new Z4 comes out, and if its anything like the current one, I am just going to buy a used 3.0si.

 

[SCOTT27]

Bull excrement.

I dare you, not in the next two years as you claimed, will there be any spy pics or mule or whatever that is the X2.

Mark today's date and two years from now eat your own words. Wait a minute, you do it all the time!

Touché, but we will see in two years time , the compact , sub-compact market is growing to entice emerging markets and you will see a greater choice of compact/ sub-compact downsized premium concepts , Daimlers investors have told the board to take sports cars off the table and get them into the sub-Compact segment by any means possible , hence future collaboration plans with Renault. And as I mentioned BMW and MINI have 23 proposals.

Then of course if you are who you say you are? Then you will know how this works and planted and shared info does not mean that they come up with things like this just for headlines.

The X2 is very much locked in with the next X1/countryman and also BMW aim to capitalise on stretched concepts for China and also demand for SAVs by offering the next Chinese market-manufactured X1 as a stretched Li model.

You only have to look at the recent news out of BMW to see they are prepping for the demand of Sub-compact cars by the recent decision to build a facility in Brazil , the purchase of ready made facilities such as Nedcar in Holland and potential other sites are being looked at for manufacturing without the need to build , just re-tool.

 

[dalab]

Bull excrement.

I dare you, not in the next two years as you claimed, will there be any spy pics or mule or whatever that is the X2.

Mark today's date and two years from now eat your own words. Wait a minute, you do it all the time!

I disagree strongly.
Scott, always gives us an idea of what a giant company like this is about to launch, but it would be foolish to be totally accurate (but would be a spy but an insider).

With information provided by Scott leads us to dream and move some years in the future.

I do not see any other executive of BMW doing this ......

Is BMW, not the insider for example that promises the M / Z SUPERCAR, which I hope in my case over 20 years ago, the obvious thing to do, it would be the halo car that all claim.

People with vision made ​​the M1 until 30 years ago and today is used as a reference.
Look at the R8/R10 AUDI achieving excellent results in every way

Many years before Scott, BMW promised this supercar back in 2001.
This should be done even if you lose money, as in this case worth more which means that the loss in money (and earn billions per year with the other models).

I love knowing now that 2 grand coupe is cuter than the A3-CLA, I love knowing that MINI will make a 4-door coupe and all the other things going on in those corporate meetings I never dreamed we could get in, obviously some are approved and discarded, but I love to know.

Love having an insider as giving information while not totally right, I think it's THE best things about this forum and should thank rather than criticize it as you have done.

 

[chonkoa]

Bull excrement.

I dare you, not in the next two years as you claimed, will there be any spy pics or mule or whatever that is the X2.

Mark today's date and two years from now eat your own words. Wait a minute, you do it all the time!

If I were you I would be worried about daring BMW when it comes to SUV. If there is anything BMW seems to have a penchant for these days is the need to build SUV and more SUVs. A CS, you can dare BMW to build, a supercar you can dare: an SUV is a different matter. If you dare them to build an X0 or X-1, you can be rest assured it will be done.

 

[Levi68]

BMW "X0" also is coming. It is placed blow the X1 (now becoming FWD) and will be based on the BMW "0" Series, below the 1 Series also FWD. It is be a direct rival of the A1, indirect rival of the Mini and direct rival of the Mercedes that is to be based on the Renault Clio. BMW will not want enter this market much later than Mercedes.