Porsche/VW Saga

If they (Porsche SE) let Volkswagen AG buy Porsche AG it could lead to Porsche getting integrated into VW as its 10th brand and Wiedeking could lose the power struggle to Winterkorn & Piech.

Not necessarily.

Mind when PAH takes control over VAG completely then I'm sure

a) either Wiedelking will be named new VAG CEO, or even more possible

b) Premium division (Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini) will be created either within VAG - but reporting directing to holding Board, or even creating independent AG directly under PAH - transforming all the previous AG (eg. Porsche, Audi etc) into GmbH ( = Ltd) subjects.


So, in the end there will be three operational divisions under PAH:
shrunken VAG with VW, Skoda & Seat, and
Premium division (eg. AutoUnion???) with Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti & Lamborghini
and the commercial vehicles division
 
Not necessarily.

Mind when PAH takes control over VAG completely then I'm sure

a) either Wiedelking will be named new VAG CEO, or even more possible

b) Premium division (Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini) will be created either within VAG - but reporting directing to holding Board, or even creating independent AG directly under PAH - transforming all the previous AG (eg. Porsche, Audi etc) into GmbH ( = Ltd) subjects.


So, in the end there will be three operational divisions under PAH:
shrunken VAG with VW, Skoda & Seat, and
Premium division (eg. AutoUnion???) with Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti & Lamborghini
and the commercial vehicles division

I think both alternatives seem plausible.

However before Porsche gets that far there is still Lower-Saxony and its 20 % share of voting rights as an obstruction.
 
Qatar eyes stake in Germany's Porsche

By TAREK EL-TABLAWY
04.28.09, 07:29 AM EDT


Qatar is in discussions about the possibility of buying a stake in Germany automaker Porsche AG, the country's prime minister said in the latest indication the energy rich Persian Gulf nation is pushing ahead with its growth and investment plans despite the global recession.

Sheik Hamad bin Jassem Al Thani was quoted Tuesday by the country's Al-Arab newspaper as saying that discussions and meetings are ongoing with the luxury sports car maker, but no decision had been reached.

The comments come after Germany's Focus magazine reported last week Qatar was interested in acquiring a stake in Porsche ( PSEPF.PK - news - people ).

The buy-in, if realized, would mark the second time in about six weeks that one of the Arab nations in the Gulf had bought into a German automaker. In March, Aabar Investment PJSC, an investment vehicle set up by the oil rich United Arab Emirates sheikdom, said it would pay nearly euro2 billion ($2.72 billion) for a 9.1 percent stake Daimler AG, famed for its Mercedes-Benz brand.

The official Qatar News Agency also quoted Sheik Hamad as saying that the country was eying the German auto industry as a potential investment.

We are looking into this subject, but so far there has been no final decision," Sheik Hamad said. "But there have been meetings."

The Porsche stake could be a boost to the German firm at a time when the auto industry worldwide is struggling under the strains of the global meltdown.

U.S. car companies, faced with plummeting sales and mounting debt, have turned to the government for bailout and are in the process of restructuring in an effort to stave off bankruptcy.


Full news article: Qatar eyes stake in Germany's Porsche - Forbes.com
 
Porsche Automobil Holding Press Release:


Creation of an integrated car manufacturing group intended

Family shareholders are in agreement:

5/6/2009

Stuttgart. The members of the management boards of both Volkswagen AG and Porsche Automobil Holding SE have been in intensive talks about the deepening of the cooperation over the past weeks. The family shareholders of Porsche Automobil Holding SE, Suttgart, have discussed the proposals resulting therefrom, with the inclusion of capital measures, this Wednesday and argued for the creation of an integrated car manufacturing group. In the final structure ten brands shall stand below an integrative leading company alongside each other, whereby the independence of all brands and explicitly also of Porsche shall be ensured.

On this basis both companies Volkswagen and Porsche intensify the talks in a joint working group with the relevant involvement of the State of Lower Saxony as largest co-shareholder as well as the employee representatives of both companies. It is the aim to develop a corresponding basis for decision-making on the future structure of the common group within the next four weeks.
 
This means Porsche won't be pursuing the 75 % share of Volkswagen anymore. Each of the 10 brands (Porsche included) will remain independent. But they still have to determine who calls the shots in the new company and how to reduce Porsche's debt.
 
As predicted: Volkswagen AG will put Porsche AG in the company / brand portfolio. The only question is how the "transaction" will be paid. Will VAG use its cash reserves, or get a loan - and handle the money to Porsche Automobil Holding SE to pay off of its €9 billion debt (used for VAG takeover).

The fact is Porsche SE is in deep trouble, and can also put VAG in the same trouble as well: as a lot of cash is needed to pay off the debts. No need to mention loans are expensive today, and quite hard to get.

Another option (although they said it was not on agenda right now) is to invite some investor (Arabs are already interested) into Porsche SE - to get a share in the company, but so the ownership won't be exclusive to Porsche / Piech family anymore, and the company also will no longer be a family affair. Quite a disappointing scenario for the both families.

This financial crisis has come in the very wrong time for the Porsche / Piech family. Huge debts, and no money to pay them off. They will have to scarify something: either a stake in Porsche SE, or a financial health of Volkswagen Group (by draining company's cash reserves now & in the future - for the next several years).

Quite a tough decision.
 
VW chairman heads for driving seat in Porsche deal

Tue May 12, 2009 12:28pm BST

By Jan Christoph Schwartz

OLBIA, Italy (Reuters) - Volkswagen's (VOWG.DE) chairman has laid down the terms for a merger with Porsche SE, in a clear sign that Europe's biggest carmaker has gained the upper hand in a power struggle with its would-be predator.
Although it owns more than half of VW, heavily indebted Porsche (PSHG_p.DE) has seen its plan to buy its much bigger rival spoiled by the recession.
Now that its gamble to take over VW has backfired, Porsche is fighting for influence in a union with the globe's No.3 car company and its stable of brands spanning Bugatti and Lamborghini to the Volkswagen Golf.

Talking to reporters at a car launch late on Monday, Ferdinand Piech named ally and VW Chief Executive Martin Winterkorn as his candidate to head the merged group.
He said it was unlikely Porsche boss Wendelin Wiedeking would be happy to stay on in a more "lowly" role. Such criticism from Piech has ended the careers of other managers.
Piech also played down the chances for Porsche finance chief Holger Haerter to take a top job in the new group, saying his counterpart at Volkswagen, Hans Dieter Poetsch, was more credible.
Piech revealed it had been decided that the headquarters of the new group -- which he said could be named after Auto Union, a carmaker Adolf Hitler used to showcase German engineering prowess -- would be in Volkswagen's home of Wolfsburg.
Piech warned that Porsche needed first to get its 9 billion euro ($12.3 billion) of debts under control before a deal could be agreed.
I cannot imagine that VW would assume another company's risks," said Piech, who is also a shareholder in Porsche. He added that he was not in favor of selling a stake in the luxury carmaker to an investor. Porsche's stock dropped 7.5 percent on the comments, which one analyst said raised questions about whether the carmaker could cope with its debts. Preference shares in Volkswagen rose 2.6 percent.

WHIP HAND

Piech's remarks demonstrate how the tables have turned on Porsche after an audacious takeover bid hatched by Wiedeking and Haerter backfired.
Wiedeking had wanted to secure access to Volkswagen's technical know-how and the car parts that it uses -- for example, from the VW off-road Touareg to make its Cayenne.
He used share options to creep toward majority control, making billions of euros in paper gains as Volkswagen's stock price spiked.
But the move lumbered the Stuttgart-based group with heavy debts, which became difficult to handle as credit markets froze.
For Piech, the merger -- which both car companies say they want to hammer out within four weeks -- presents him with an opportunity to tighten his grip on both Volkswagen and Porsche.
He and his brother, who together own just over a quarter of Porsche, have been deadlocked in a dispute with their cousins from the rival Porsche clan, who have a slightly bigger stake.
Swallowing the sportscar maker into the Volkswagen empire would reduce Porsche's status to being just one car brand among 10 -- as both companies have already said.
Piech also signaled that there was disagreement over the value of the Porsche sports car business, saying that an 11 billion euro price tag was 2 billion euros too high.



VW chairman says Porsche debt must be trimmed

3 hours ago

FRANKFURT — Sports car marker Porsche SE must reduce its debt before integrating with Volkswagen AG, VW's chairman Ferdinand Piech said.

Piech, grandson of Ferdinand Porsche, who founded the company that bears his name, told reporters late Monday "Porsche has its own financial problems to solve" before any moves can be made. Porsche, in which Piech's family shares a controlling stake, owns a majority of VW shares.

That was a reference to the euro9 billion (US$12.22 billion) in net debt Porsche took on as it bought up Volkswagen shares, lifting its stake to some 51 per cent at a time when auto markets have slumped and credit has grown scarce.

"I cannot imagine that Volkswagen would shoulder someone else's risk," said Piech, who is chairman of Volkswagen's supervisory board, the German equivalent to a U.S. board of directors.

He made the remarks to reporters in Sardinia, Italy, where Volkswagen was unveiling its latest Polo model.

Last week the Piech and Porsche families - controlling shareholders of Porsche Automobil Holding SE - agreed on the structure of what Porsche called an integrated car-manufacturing group with Volkswagen.

Under the terms of the proposal, the 10 brands of both companies "shall stand below an integrative leading company alongside each other, whereby the independence of all brands and explicitly also of Porsche shall be ensured," Porsche said.

Volkswagen's brands include Skoda, Seat, Bugatti, Bentley and Scania trucks.

Any decision must still be approved by both companies' boards as well as the German state of Lower Saxony, which holds 21 per cent of Volkswagen.

Volkswagen and Porsche have set up a joint working group to consult with Lower Saxony and labor groups as it defines the new structure, a process expected to last until June.

Shares of Porsche were down nearly 4 per cent to euro43.22 in Frankfurt while shares of Volkswagen were down more than half a per cent to euro228.57.
 
More bad news for Porsche ... :eusa_thin

German watchdog probes Porsche/VW deal


Tue May 12, 2009 12:44pm BST

FRANKFURT, May 12 (Reuters) - German financial markets watchdog BaFin has started an investigation into possible market manipulation by Porsche (PSHG_p.DE) linked to its attempt to take over Volkswagen (VOWG.DE), BaFin said on Tuesday.

The case centres on a report by WirtschaftsWoche magazine last week that alleged Porsche had revealed in February 2008 its intentions to take a 75 percent voting stake in Volkswagen and pass a domination and profit transfer agreement, but did not make this public at the time.
Porsche had denied the report last week.

"The accusation that we had misled investors is incorrect. Porsche decided on March 3, 2008, to acquire the majority of voting shares in VW. There was no intention at that time for Porsche to raise its stake to 75 percent of the votes," Porsche had said in a statement on Friday.
 
This is a huge mess! What do you think of it EnI?:t-cheers:

It looks like Piech has smelled blood.

So a battle between Ferdinand Piech & his cousin Wolfgang Porsche for a Porsche / VW dominance goes on ...

This time it seems Piech has better cards: he - in a role of the VW supervisory board chairman - will allow a "merger" (meaning: giving VW money for Porsche SE debt pay-off) only under his / VW conditions - eg. putting his people (=VW people like Winterkorn) in charge of the "merged" company (which can adopt a name like AutoUnion, or Porsche-Volkswagen Group), and eg. dictating Porsche brand position in the new company (right now Porsche family want's some special treament for the Porsche brand).

So, Piech can blackmail Porsche now ... he will allow the deal only under his (VW) conditions. I'm now eager to see Porsche's cards ... I'm not so sure W. Porsche will agree with such suggestions.

So, the saga continues. :D It indeed looks like Carington vs. Colby situation in Dynasty: endless drama. :usa7uh:
 
Porsche should've ended it all before the recession hit. Now they are too late and will be eaten by VW. Which is logical, because VW is about 1000 times bigger than Porsche.
 
Whichever way this will go, is there a chance that it will make Porsche come back to more specialized cars and drop the elephant the sedan 911 with a front engine and the nonsense rumors about a baby SUV etc, taking it closer to Ferrari?

Mike
 
Players in the Porsche/VW drama

Tue May 12, 2009 4:39pm BST

FRANKFURT, May 12 (Reuters) - Porsche (PSHG_p.DE) and Volkswagen (VOWG.DE) are in merger talks. Below are the key players in the power struggle over who will shape a new car empire:


VW CHAIRMAN: FERDINAND PIECH
The 72-year-old engineer is the grandson of Porsche's founder, Ferdinand Porsche, and is a member of the extended family that controls 100 percent of Porsche's voting stock.
Like his grandfather, Piech is an engineer who held senior positions at Volkswagen, Porsche and Audi before becoming VW's chief executive in 1993 and chairman in 2002.
Piech is a master tactician with a record of surprise moves that have given him huge influence at Europe's largest carmaker.
Piech's relationship with the Porsche clan has been rocky but he does not appar to be fazed by the friction.
"My desire for harmony is limited and probably not much different from colleagues in other companies. It's not possible to take a company to the top by focusing on the highest level of harmony," Piech said in his autobiography.
Some of Piech's management tactics include encouraging internal rivalries and keeping staff in the dark about their projects, colleagues have said.
While development chief at Audi, he had different teams work on the aerodynamics of the Audi 100 model, using wind tunnels in Hamburg, Stuttgart and Wolfsburg, Germany, and Turin, Italy, to complete different parts of the project. He had all the test results sent to him at Audi headquarters in Ingolstandt.
"I was in the middle of it all, putting together the pieces of the puzzle," he said in his autobiography.
Piech often relies on influential labour leaders -- who hold half of VW's board seats -- to push through deals. He tries to minimise job cuts, at times overruling his own managers.


PORSCHE CEO: WENDELIN WIEDEKING

A favourite of Porsche Chairman Wolfgang Porsche -- Ferdinand Piech's cousin -- Wendelin Wiedeking is the visionary behind the sports car maker's failed takeover of Volkswagen.
Wiedeking, 56, wanted to secure access to key technologies developed by VW and its Audi, Lamborghini and Bugatti units.
However, he alienated VW managers and labour leaders because of his relentless focus on profits and productivity rather than relying on VW's traditional mantra of building the best-in-class vehicle in the hope that profits will follow later.
Under Wiedeking's leadership, Porsche catapulted from near bankruptcy in 1992 into the world's most profitable car maker, with an annual production of around 100,000 vehicles.
He saw similar potential to improve profitability at VW by forcing through efficiency measures he learned from studying Toyota's lean manufacturing techniques.
However, VW's 330,000 employees fear this could lead to job cuts.
Emboldened by the initial success of Porsche's takeover, Wiedeking moved to dismantle the power of VW's German labour representatives by diluting their influence on the board of directors, known as the supervisory board.
Wiedeking, who likes driving Porsche tractors and growing his own potatoes, accused VW of wasting money on unprofitable "vanity projects" such as the development of the 1001-horsepower Bugatti Veyron, a project championed by Piech.


PORSCHE CHAIRMAN: WOLFGANG PORSCHE

After backing Wendelin Wiedeking's takeover attempt of VW, Wolfgang Porsche is now trying to defend the Stuttgart-based automaker's autonomy as it struggles to pay down its debt.
Wolfgang Porsche is Piech's cousin and represents the rival faction in the two families that control all of the voting stock in Porsche Automobil Holding SE.
The 66-year-old manager is a traditionalist who keeps the same Stuttgart office in the factory where his grandfather and company founder Ferdinand Porsche also worked.


VW CEO: MARTIN WINTERKORN
Ferdinand Piech's loyal lieutenant became chief executive of Volkswagen in 2007 when his predecessor, Bernd Pischetsrieder, ran afoul of the powerful chairman.
In an industry full of forceful personalities, Winterkorn, 61, is a drab figure who has spent practically his entire career at the VW group as a technology expert.
The metallurgist took over VW's premium Audi division in 2002 after serving as head of technical development at VW, where he developed a reputation among analysts for overengineering cars with too much unnecessary content.
Apart from overseeing the design of the VW Golf, the passionate engineer ran Piech's pet project -- developing the VW Phaeton executive saloon -- which ended in as an expensive flop.
The love of technology that Winterkorn shared with his mentor served him better at Audi, where premium car buyers were keen to pay more for the latest in cutting-edge design.
Winterkorn is a soccer fan, who wanted to be goalkeeper for the German national team when he was growing up.


VW WORKS COUNCIL HEAD: BERND OSTERLOH

Osterloh became Volkswagen's most powerful labour leader in 2005, when he was named head of the VW Works Council. He is an important force on VW's supervisory board. The labour representatives who sit on the board are generally allied with Ferdinand Piech.


LOWER SAXONY PREMIER: CHRISTIAN WULFF
Wulff, 49, is a star in Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats party and has been premier of VW's home state of Lower Saxony for six years.
Wulff is a key figure in the Porsche/VW merger talks because he controls the state's blocking minority stake in Volkswagen, giving it veto power over any changes at the carmaker.
The charismatic Wulff has led the campaign to preserve Germany's VW Law, which enshrines the state's role in the carmaker, despite objections from the European Commission that it blocks the free flow of capital. (Reporting by Edward Taylor, Christiaan Hetzner and Michael Shields; editing by Karen Foster)
 
EnI said:
Wolfgang Porsche is Piech's cousin and represents the rival faction in the two families that control all of the voting stock in Porsche Automobil Holding SE.

I thought Piech controlled the 100% of Porsche SE. What are the two factions? I am confused!
 
I thought Piech controlled the 100% of Porsche SE. What are the two factions? I am confused!


Ferdinand Porsche - the VW Beetle designer, and Porsche AG founder - had 2 Children: a son Ferry Porsche (father of Wolfgang Porsche) and a daughter Louise Porsche - married Piech (mother of Ferdinad Piech).

That means Wolfgang Porsche & Ferdinand Piech are cousins. :usa7uh:


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Porsche shareholder structure


Porsche AG shareholders transfered their shares to Porsche Automobil Holding SE - and the Porsche AG became a 100% subsidiary of Porsche SE. The shareholder structure remained the same.






The share structure is fixed, and is divided into 2 equal parts: 50% of shares with voting right, while the other 50% are preference shares with no voting right.

Right now, 21% of PAH SE is in the hands of private investors, 29% in the hands of institutional investors, while 50% (representing all 100% of voting shares!) is in the hands of Porsche & Piech family members - meaning Porsche / Piech family has all rights to run the company: appoint people in the boards, making all decisions etc. While preference share owners only get dividends - since they invested money in the company.

Regarding the ratio between Piech & Porsche family members: I have no idea. I've been trying to obtain the detailed shareholder structure for a while - but with no success.

Both Ferry & Louise had 4 children each. I guess all of them are Porsche shareholders. Meaning each of them has 6.25% of Porsche SE (or 12.5% of voting rights). :t-hands:
 
Regarding the ratio between Piech & Porsche family members: I have no idea. I've been trying to obtain the detailed shareholder structure for a while - but with no success.

Both Ferry & Louise had 4 children each. I guess all of them are Porsche shareholders. Meaning each of them has 6.25% of Porsche SE (or 12.5% of voting rights). :t-hands:

This was the situation last fall:

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I'm just not sure why they put Louise Daxer-Piech (and her heirs) in the Porsche family clan - since she was Ferdinand Piech's & Hans Michel Piech's sister.



:t-hands:
 
Eh ... Episode #839

Volkswagen Cancels Porsche Merger Talks for Indefinite Time

By Oliver Suess

May 17 (Bloomberg) -- Volkswagen AG, Europe’s largest carmaker, cancelled talks with Porsche SE about the merger of the two automakers for an indefinite length of time, citing the absence of a “constructive” atmosphere.
“We want to make it clear that there is currently no atmosphere for constructive talks, and that it’s completely open when talks can continue,” Volkswagen spokeswoman Christine Ritz said today in a telephone interview. “We are under no time pressure at all.” She declined to comment further.
Both companies earlier in the day said a merger meeting due to occur tomorrow had been called off. Stuttgart, Germany-based Porsche, however, also said that talks between the two companies were continuing and further meetings will be held.
Volkswagen Supervisory Board Chairman Ferdinand Piech said last week that Porsche must trim debt before it can complete a merger with Volkswagen. Volkswagen “won’t solve” Porsche’s net debt, which tripled in six months to 9 billion euros ($12.2 billion) as of Jan. 31, Piech said. Porsche owns about 51 percent of Wolfsburg, Germany-based Volkswagen.
The Porsche family is upset over Piech’s comments and concerned they may hurt the value of the carmaker, Der Spiegel said on its Web site yesterday, without saying where it got the information. When asked about whether Volkswagen would pay 11 billion euros for Porsche AG, Piech said the figure was “definitely a few billion too high,” according to the German magazine.
Porsche has fallen 21 percent this year, valuing the company at 7.21 billion euros. Volkswagen has declined 12 percent, valuing it at 69.6 billion euros.
Porsche said yesterday it will hold a supervisory board meeting of its own tomorrow. The Piech and Porsche families, who control the maker of the 911 sports car, agreed May 6 to create a combined company with Volkswagen.
Porsche workers will hold their first-ever strike tomorrow to protest Piech’s plans for a takeover by Volkswagen, Focus reported yesterday, without saying where it got the information.
Porsche spokesman Albrecht Bamler said the situation may become clearer tomorrow. He declined to provide more details.
 
This is a totally fascinating story. The power struggle between those two giants, Piech and Wiedeking, is absolutely amazing.

BTW, Porsche is currently considering a file against Piech, because he made some comments on the value of Porsche in case of a takeover, that didn't please Porsche's BoD.

Thanks for keeping us updated EnI.
 
.... Show must go on ... :D

Porsche and Piech Families May Restart Talks This Week, FT Says


By Ben Livesey
May 18 (Bloomberg) -- The Porsche and the Piech families may restart talks this week aimed at getting negotiations for a planned merger between Porsche SE and Volkswagen AG back on track, the Financial Times reported, citing people familiar with the situation.
The families will need to agree on ``clear guidelines for further negotiations,'' the FT said, citing a person close to one of Porsche’s shareholders.
 

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