Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari

[Emu]

Firstly, according to Auto car's test, acceleration data are pretty much identical for 918 WSP and P1. 918 is just 0.2 second slower than P1 when speed reaches 180 mph. For any other comparisons like speedometer or synthetic images are totally in different environments which doesn't make any sense for comparison.

Secondly, same time to reach same speed doesn't means running the same distance in case you have any experience on drag race in person.

At last, which is more important is to get better drag performance, P1 must be transformed to non-track mode which would be never used on tracks to compete with 918. And also, the peak speed on track is another thing we cannot directly refer to drag data, cos we need to take cornering speed and out-corner speed into account. So far, there's few evidence we can find out to prove any one of them has absolutely higher top speed on same track. Top gear Spanish test reveals us that 918 got higher peak speed than p1. The result from MotorTrend's test between GT-R NISMO and Corvette Z06 makes me believe 918's monster torque, zero-lag engine and traction benefit from AWD system would have no reason to make itself at a disadvantage comparing with P1.

Firstly the 2 Autocar tests you refer to happened on different days where wind was a factor, the h2h showed the P1 to be way faster once rolling.

The C&D and MT results also showed the P1 about 1s faster from 60-150mph.

Normally I would agree with you and speedos but the McLaren speedometers are very accurate unlike Lamborghini ones and given the PWR advantage Ferrari claim the LaF should leave it for dead, i.e. we shouldn't need to discuss technicalities.

Well aware of drag race phenomena, so let's be clear about this, the P1 has measured 9.8@149mph compared to a quoted 9.8@152mph. The LaF is quoted at 9.5@157mph and won't get anywhere near that time or speed.

For a quarter mile Race mode vs Track doesn't make much difference. TGs peak speeds for the Spanish test were transposed, you can tell by the cornering g figures.

Heh, the Z06 suffers massive drag from a badly designed aero system with very high drag/downforce ratio and also suffers bad heat soak. It was also a manual in the MT test.

 

[Emu]

and an inflated ego because each time someone challenges him he backs down and just claim to be the fastest anyway

Like in F1, with all the times McLaren has won. How many times has Porsche won again?

 

[Apolo1]

Firstly the 2 Autocar tests you refer to happened on different days where wind was a factor, the h2h showed the P1 to be way faster once rolling.

The C&D and MT results also showed the P1 about 1s faster from 60-150mph.

Normally I would agree with you and speedos but the McLaren speedometers are very accurate unlike Lamborghini ones and given the PWR advantage Ferrari claim the LaF should leave it for dead, i.e. we shouldn't need to discuss technicalities.

Well aware of drag race phenomena, so let's be clear about this, the P1 has measured 9.8@149mph compared to a quoted 9.8@152mph. The LaF is quoted at 9.5@157mph and won't get anywhere near that time or speed.

For a quarter mile Race mode vs Track doesn't make much difference. TGs peak speeds for the Spanish test were transposed, you can tell by the cornering g figures.

Heh, the Z06 suffers massive drag from a badly designed aero system with very high drag/downforce ratio and also suffers bad heat soak. It was also a manual in the MT test.

More BS
Even P1 owners don't give any weight to the AC test, no HL mode was run on the 918, and the exact same car gave much faster results in other tests. Just a UK Mag, protecting the home team......imv

On the 0-300kph, I am yet to see a P1 make good its claim of 16.4? ......

 

[Emu]

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-43.html#post567058

"I had two key assumptions coming into this test which turned out not to be correct.

The first assumption was that P1's Trofeo R's were significantly stickier tires than the 918's MPSC2s. The data does not support that conclusion; in fact, it says the opposite, at least with the unmodified street suspension settings on my P1. The 918 on its MPSC2's has a grip advantage in locations where aero is not in play.

The second assumption was that the P1 had a power/weight advantage over the 918 given their respective mfr specs. In Hotlap mode and fully charged, the data indicates the 918 is making the equivalent of 935HP between T4 and T5. As previously mentioned, it's making significantly less (~808 HP up the front straight) by lap 2."

 

[Emu]

More BS
Even P1 owners don't give any weight to the AC test, no HL mode was run on the 918, and the exact same car gave much faster results in other tests. Just a UK Mag, protecting the home team......imv

On the 0-300kph, I am yet to see a P1 make good its claim of 16.4? ......

Yes HL mode was used. Steve Sutcliffe explained this. All the vehicles were actually ran separately because they only had one measuring device. The video was an edit.

I'd say 0-200mph is 23s with a bad launch and 0.150mph time 1.4s down on MT is pretty close.

 

[Monster]

Like in F1, with all the times McLaren has won. How many times has Porsche won again?

Lets not bring F1 into this..Porsche has the most LeMans victories, Ferrari has the most drivers and constructors victories in F1, Mclaren has??

 

[Apolo1]

Yes HL mode was used. Steve Sutcliffe explained this. All the vehicles were actually ran separately because they only had one measuring device. The video was an edit.

I'd say 0-200mph is 23s with a bad launch and 0.150mph time 1.4s down on MT is pretty close.

wrong HL was used in parts of the Vid, but not for the timed run FACT........

Look at the vid from inside the 918 on the run, HL was not engaged, this is what I keep saying you have zero real experience on the cars you spout on about. If you did you would not make half the claims that you do
Again show me the 16.4.......0-300KPH.....

 

[Soup]

Lets not bring F1 into this..Porsche has the most LeMans victories, Ferrari has the most drivers and constructors victories in F1, Mclaren has??

A sub-7min (missing video) at nordschleife that nobody can explain how in the world it ended up with Flight MH370 disappearing into thin air.

 

[boyko23]

Because some people here are forgetting to quote some points, which don't fit their nutty theory, I will do it for them...

"On a serious note - while all this speculating is good fun, I'll say this much: the fact that we're all speculating about which of these two supercars circulates Laguna Seca half a sec/lap faster in the hands of an expert is the very definition of [HASHTAG]#firstworldproblems[/HASHTAG]. I had frankly expected the P1 to shellac the 918 at Laguna: stickier tires + superior power-to-weight + superior aero + 160kg lighter sounds like a winning combo to me. The fact that instead we're having this (ahem) friendly discussion is a testament to how damn good the 918 really turned out, not how bad the P1 is -- remember, it broke the prior production lap record on its first hot session!

Knowing now what I do about the 918 and the P1, I'd still choose the P1 every day -- but I would also give a nod to anyone who chose the 918, and call theirs a good choice as well. That was ... less true before this test. The 918 is a hell of a car."

The text in red is the reason for all this spite in some young boys here...

 

[Emu]

wrong HL was used in parts of the Vid, but not for the timed run FACT........

Look at the vid from inside the 918 on the run, HL was not engaged, this is what I keep saying you have zero real experience on the cars you spout on about. If you did you would not make half the claims that you do
Again show me the 16.4.......0-300KPH.....

Sorry but that's completely false, ajjers himself has stated this. Steve Sutcliffe has specifically said that HL was used for that run.

The P1 was also a second faster 60-150mph in MT and C&D's tests.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._motor_trend_production_car_record/specs.html

60-150 = 7.3s

0-602.6
0-703.0
0-803.5
0-904.1
0-1004.7
0-1105.5
0-1206.3
0-1307.4
0-1408.5
0-1509.9

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...re-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-2

60-150 = 8.3s

0–60 MPH 2.2
0–70 MPH 2.8
0–80 MPH 3.4
0–90 MPH 4.1
0–100 MPH 4.9
0–110 MPH 5.8
0–120 MPH 6.7
0–130 MPH 7.9
0–140 MPH 9.1
0–150 MPH 10.5

It's 16.7s and gee, if it does 0-200mph in 23s on a not great surface with potential for a 1.4s improvement (at least) in 0-150mph time based on the above, that's pretty damn close. So say 21.9s 0-200mph with a better 0-150mph time (as with MT), and 5.2s 186-200mph. Sounds pretty damn right to me.

Show me a LaFerrari weighing as close to 1360kg or getting anywhere near 15.0s 0-300kph.

 

[Emu]

"Knowing now what I do about the 918 and the P1, I'd still choose the P1 every day -- but I would also give a nod to anyone who chose the 918, and call theirs a good choice as well. That was ... less true before this test. The 918 is a hell of a car."

^

 

[Emu]

Lets not bring F1 into this..Porsche has the most LeMans victories, Ferrari has the most drivers and constructors victories in F1, Mclaren has??

Britain has the most constructors championships in F1, most of the 'foreign' teams use British talent. Like Red Bull, that 'Austrian' team, based in England, that looks suspicious like the old Jaguar F1 team re-branded with an energy drinks logo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Constructors'_Champions#By_nationality

Country Constructors Total
United Kingdom 10 33
Italy 1 16
Austria 1 4
France 2 3
Germany 1 1

Just to point out the 4 'Austrian' ones in the above list are Red Bull aka Jaguar, so make that 37 constructors titles for Britain in reality. Germany and Italy by comparison could only produce one constructor capable of winning vs the UK's 10. I could also point out that much of the pit team in foreign teams is also British.

And no one ever won a race just because their qualifying lap was fastest.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Monster]

Britain has the most constructors championships in F1, most of the 'foreign' teams use British talent. Like Red Bull, that 'Austrian' team, based in England, that looks suspicious like the old Jaguar F1 team re-branded with an energy drinks logo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Constructors'_Champions#By_nationality

Country Constructors Total
United Kingdom 10 33
Italy 1 16
Austria 1 4
France 2 3
Germany 1 1

Just to point out the 4 'Austrian' ones in the above list are Red Bull aka Jaguar, so make that 37 constructors titles for Britain in reality. Germany and Italy by comparison could only produce one constructor capable of winning vs the UK's 10.

Thanks for playing.

Oh wait, I don't see no Mclaren listed there? With all the talent available Mclaren has never produce their own F1 engine. You must have got the wrong link. Further Off topic post will be removed without notice.

 

[Rolf]

Yes HL mode was used. Steve Sutcliffe explained this. All the vehicles were actually ran separately because they only had one measuring device. The video was an edit.

I'd say 0-200mph is 23s with a bad launch and 0.150mph time 1.4s down on MT is pretty close.

That AC test was absolute horse Shite up to 200mph for the 918, that identical 918 test car has been used in another 3 other road tests I can think of that got better figures and 2 German Mags both got about 19sec to 300km/h, at that acceleration rate the 918 won't need another 10sec to reach 322km/h. The AS video proves that as up to 333km/h indicated the 918 takes about 25sec.

 

[boyko23]

And another interesting point, "forgotten" until now:

"From the telemetry I have, his ideal 918 lap was 0.06 (6 hundredths) off of the lap time he posted. In fairness, he was more consistent with the 918 laps, with a variance of 0.5 - 0.9 secs between hot laps pretty typical. The falloff from lap 1 to lap 2 in Hotlap mode was larger than the per-lap driver variance."

If a pro like Randy can't give consistent laps in the P1, for what type of 15 lap races we are talking here... hahaha
Emu, don't reply me. I don't care what you think!

 

[klier]

A sub-7min (missing video) at nordschleife that nobody can explain how in the world it ended up with Flight MH370 disappearing into thin air.

I'd love to elaborate, but I am just too scared of the NSA/secret service/FSB. They are monitoring us, so beware.

 

[treynor]

And another interesting point, "forgotten" until now:

"From the telemetry I have, his ideal 918 lap was 0.06 (6 hundredths) off of the lap time he posted. In fairness, he was more consistent with the 918 laps, with a variance of 0.5 - 0.9 secs between hot laps pretty typical. The falloff from lap 1 to lap 2 in Hotlap mode was larger than the per-lap driver variance."

If a pro like Randy can't give consistent laps in the P1, for what type of 15 lap races we are talking here... hahaha
Emu, don't reply me. I don't care what you think!

This thread is beyond salvaging, with many posters apparently in the mode of defending the opinion they've already formed and ignoring disconfirming evidence, but hope springs eternal...

Randy had been in the 918 for at least two prior track days (the prior event @ Laguna, and Willow Springs). This was the first time he'd ever driven a P1.

In my laps in the P1, *I* was quite consistent (+/- 0.5 secs) but I was also running in sport/sport where the ECU offers more help on corner exits. I suspect that's where most fast non-pro's will drive the P1.

 

[klier]

This thread is beyond salvaging, with many posters apparently in the mode of defending the opinion they've already formed and ignoring disconfirming evidence, but hope springs eternal...

Yea Ben, you will have to act as our savior and do some proper testing with proper data. Believe me, most here are completely open minded.

Also, make it a GermanCarForum.com world exclusive please

 

[Monster]

I'd love to elaborate, but I am just too scared of the NSA/secret service/FSB. They are monitoring us, so beware.

I am sure a friendly hello to them will get them off your back.

 

[klier]

I am sure a friendly hello to them will get them off your back.

I don't know man, ASIS is involved too, and those are some tough kangaroos. This is what happened to the guy taking pics of the P1 fast lap:

Trust me, you do not want to go down that road.