Zonda Pagani Zonda R officially unveiled in Vienna
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710nm of torque from 6.0L
Man that go to be the highest torque per liter of any other NA engine out there...amazing!
Impressive number, but then again it a race car engine and there are other race engines that make more torque/litre. Even GT3 cup cars make more specific torque per litre (430nm from 3.6l). Ferrari Fxx also probably makes way more torque/l considering it makes 860HP out of 6.3l.
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The GT3 cup engine u mentioned makes less torque per liter and since we know nothing about the Ferrari engine it's useless to bring it to the table
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The GT3 cup engine u mentioned makes less torque per liter and since we know nothing about the Ferrari engine it's useless to bring it to the table
Zonda R: 710NM/6l = 118.333NM/l
GT3 Cup: 430NM/3.6l = 119.444 NM/l
And where I am 119 > 118
.There are host of other race engine that make around the same number. DBR9 made 700NM from 5935cc (118Nm/l). Old M3 GTR made 468NM from 4l (117NM/l). BMW LMR made 720NM from 6l (120NM/l) And I am sure there are many more.
Incidentally, the new M3 GTR makes 500NM from 4l, that is a whooping 125NM/l.
What is truly impressive is the new GT3, it makes a race car rivaling 113NM/l and is a street legal. The other steer legal car with the same number was F1LM (705 Nm from 6.2l) - says a lot about GT3.
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The Zonda Cinque, the road going version will have the same torque figure but less power, and lets not forget this engine is highly based on an engine over a decade old now. As for the Ferrari, well you get Ferrari reliability standard.
And for the GT3's engine I will agree with you is a masterpiece which is why I feel it is the best 6-cylinder to ever grace the automotive industry.
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Zonda R: 710NM/6l = 118.333NM/l
GT3 Cup: 430NM/3.6l = 119.444 NM/l
And where I am 119 > 118
There are host of other race engine that make around the same number. DBR9 made 700NM from 5935cc (118Nm/l). Old M3 GTR made 468NM from 4l (117NM/l). BMW LMR made 720NM from 6l (120NM/l) And I am sure there are many more.
Incidentally, the new M3 GTR makes 500NM from 4l, that is a whooping 125NM/l.
What is truly impressive is the new GT3, it makes a race car rivaling 113NM/l and is a street legal. The other steer legal car with the same number was F1LM (705 Nm from 6.2l) - says a lot about GT3.
Yeah great engines but non of them is that, and as bum-man said the road legal version cinque got the same torque figures so u can rest now
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Yeah great engines but non of them is that, and as bum-man said the road legal version cinque got the same torque figures so u can rest now
Cinque AFAIK makes even more torque (775 NM), but uses the 7.3L engine. Man, you MB fans should know that.
Anyway, the Nm/L is only 775/7.3 = 106Nm/l (not that there is anything wrong with that)
The 6L engine in the R is the race engine from the CLK GTR, I doubt you will ever see it pass any emission rules (like most other race engines).
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Cinque AFAIK makes even more torque (775 NM), but uses the 7.3L engine. Man, you MB fans should know that.
Anyway, the Nm/L is only 775/7.3 = 106Nm/l (not that there is anything wrong with that)
The 6L engine in the R is the race engine from the CLK GTR, I doubt you will ever see it pass any emission rules (like most other race engines).
I think we reached the usual dead end now
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Yes usual as in you make factually incorrect statements and I correct them.
What factually incorrect statements?
Look up and u'll see that u miscalculated the figures or even before that u stated that some has more torque/liter while it's not.
Race engine or not that old unit is surely a masterpiece one.
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To start with this:
710nm of torque from 6.0L
Man that go to be the highest torque per liter of any other NA engine out there...amazing!
and this
The GT3 cup engine u mentioned makes less torque per liter and since we know nothing about the Ferrari engine it's useless to bring it to the table
and heck you didn't even know the what engine is in the cinque.
What figures did I miscalculate? These?
Zonda R: 710NM/6l = 118.333NM/l
GT3 Cup: 430NM/3.6l = 119.444 NM/l
I never said it was/wasn't a masterpiece. I don't really care, but it definitely doesn't make the highest torque/l figure as you originally claimed.
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To start with this:
and this
and heck you didn't even know the what engine is in the cinque.
What figures did I miscalculate? These?
Zonda R: 710NM/6l = 118.333NM/l
GT3 Cup: 430NM/3.6l = 119.444 NM/l
I never said it was/wasn't a masterpiece. I don't really care, but it definitely doesn't make the highest torque/l figure as you originally claimed.
Well first i never claimed it's the highest but one of the highest,and the toque figures are reversed.
Nothing more to add more here.
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Ok..i have NEVER in my life heard a road car sound like this..
This is just STUPID..
Turn up the volume..and keep your eyes peeled..cause this thing comes and goes like nothing ive ever seen..
PS
I have come to the conclusion that my balls are not large enough to drive this car
This is just STUPID..
Turn up the volume..and keep your eyes peeled..cause this thing comes and goes like nothing ive ever seen..
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I have come to the conclusion that my balls are not large enough to drive this car
That is unbelievable...
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3 pictures from monza and presentation speech by Mr.Pagani, Mr Zimmerman and Marco Marioni...
Dear Friends,
Welcome to you all.
Thanks for being here tonight for the official presentation of the Zonda R.
I wish to share with you some moments of amusement and relax, during which
we will tell about the new Zonda R and the other projects Pagani is currently
developing, bringing to you my ideas and my dreams.
We are all aware of the fact that the Zonda R is a toy, one of those toys which
made us happy when we were kids, encouraging our fantasy and dreams, bringing
our mind to an ideal world. It is important to follow this childish feeling inside,
and still enjoy these toys, more or less expensive, along all phases of life.
The Zonda R is a completely new project, the result of more than 2 years work
and the introduction of 2.100 brand new components. For Pagani it represents
the ideal environment to test new solutions for the future products. Prestigious
technical partners have teamed up with Pagani in the development of this
demanding project. Among them, the AMG, Aspa, Automac, Bagatti, Bosch,
Ennegi, Pirelli, Poggipolini, Xtrac, highly qualified professionals pushed by a strong
motivation. I am deeply thankful to all of them.
The project “Fangio”, later renamed “Zonda”, from a technical and stylistic point
of view was inspired by the group C prototype, when the design was not imposed
by aerodynamic restrictions. You might remember, the Sauber Mercedes C11, the
Peugeot 905, the Jaguar XJR-8, as also the older Ferrari P4, and Porsche 917,
all beautiful cars which influenced the design of sport cars.
Some years ago in Les Mans, I had the chance to admire one of the most attractive
cars of the last decade, the Bentley EXP Speed 8, from that moment I began to
wonder about the Zonda R. After that, I was speaking to a friend and customer
and he convinced me to think this was the right idea and to go on in the project.
The Zonda R is designed out of pure creativity, free from road or homologation
limitations. Each individual involved in the realisation was able to express his own
talents and arts, according to the tradition of the ancient masters of the Renaissance.
The first concepts and ideas of the car were discussed within my design team at
the factory, then we forward the request to AMG to supply a high performance
engine according to our technical specifics. Both the AMG confirmed their
commitment in this new challenge, and in short time we had the first mock-up
engine, which we brought to Geneva on the Pagani stand together with a scale
model of the Zonda R. Honestly, I was not sure there were people who would
invest such a high amount for a Pagani racing car, with luck these thoughts have
been denied and in only few months already 9 orders were confirmed. Since that
moment we thought the project was perhaps too crazy, but in fact there are
customers that are even crazier!
And for them we concentrated all our energies.
The first concept planned to use some parts of the Zonda F, and the look was not
as extreme as it is now, both for technology employed and dynamic, in fact after
3 months we thrown all away and restarted from zero.
Technical Description
The chassis is in carbon titanium, for the first time in the automotive history these two
materials have been combined to form a monocoque. The combination allowed us to
build a rigid frame that remained safe in a crash, 25kg lighter than on a Zonda F. The
suspension components are forged Avional parts, technologies lifted from the aerospace
industry. This allowed us to safe 30 % in weight while maintaining the mechanical
characteristics.
The engine is fantastic as are all AMG engines, 750 hp and 710 Nm of torque.
The engine drivetrain is bolted directly to the chassis, becoming stressed member. The
interface components between the suspensions, gearbox and engine are machined out
of a block. They start out as a 75kg block, to become the weight optimised 12kg parts. To the company Aspa go the credits for these masterpieces.
Many components on the car are in Titanium and they are made by the world leader
in the performance automotive sector, Poggipolini Titanium.
The gearbox is a sequential straight cut Xtrac box in Magnesium casing. The robotisation
is performed by Automac Engineering, allowing shift times as low as 20ms.
The research of lightness is not only an aim for us, it is an obsession. Each part is
engineered with three objectives, to be functional, to be beautiful and to be light. We
did not accept compromises regarding costs, as we firmly believe that the few fortunates
being able to own this car deserve only the best. The toolings to make the Zonda R are
completely new and would allow to build the parts for a production run of 300, but the
total number is limited to 15 units. The companies ENNEGI and Bagatti have machined
the models on Pagani CAD data to create the moulds for the new components.
The aerodynamic research was focused on three aspects, the general function and shape
of the exterior, the internal aerodynamics and the microaerodynamics, the research in
the smallest detail
Our target dry weight was 1.120kg, but in the end we managed to reach 1.070kg
without compromising the safety requirements set out at the beginning of the project.
The front frame has energy absorbing elements that are similar to the upcoming C9.
At the 56 kph rigid barrier crash tests, the behaviour is comfortably within the legal
requirements.
As far as the tyres are concerned I would like to emphasise the work of Pirelli, our partner
for over a year now. Developing bespoke slick tyres for the Zonda R has been a tough
challenge for the dimensions we were seeking.
----------
Wolf Zimmermann (AMG)
The relation between Mercedes AMG and Pagani is a story of success. When the
first Zonda was launched in 1999 very few believed Pagani could become the
company it is now. Mercedes AMG not only believed in a solid concept but even
more in a passionate, skilled and devoted team led by Horacio Pagani.
Ten years have passed and not too long ago Mercedes AMG delivered Pagani
engine number 100, a fact that surpassed our wildest expectations.
It is also for this reason we are here tonight to celebrate the Zonda R, as the ultimate
expression of automotive performance. With pleasure Mercedes AMG made this
special race engine for a car, that will most likely not just amaze us, but also future
generations, as an instant classic.
Not being confined to any regulations has enabled our engineers to develop an
engine with characteristics not seen on trackday cars before, as far as power
delivery, torque and driveability is concerned. We wanted the driver to feel the
emotions only race car drivers usually experience.
We feel committed to give the Pagani masterpieces the hearts they deserve and that
is why we will continue to see bespoke Mercedes-AMG powerplants in future Pagani
vehicles, to continue this success story.
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Marco Marioni (Pirelli)
Pagani is an unique blend of craftsmanship and high technology
Pagani is passion and performance
Pirelli has and wants to reinforce its heritage as the leader in performance tyres
Here we join our stenghts and we cooperate to provide the ultimate dream on 4
wheels
Pagani and Pirelli have started their partnership in the 2nd half of 2007 preparing for
the record attack for fastest lap at the Nurburgring.
Soon a few winning points came to the surface.
We lowered the record to a value that held for almost a year....
We also learned a lot since the Zonda is a peculiar car that uses the tyres in a very
"light" way, minimizing scrub and wear, despite its enormous potential, thanks to its
low weight and efficient suspensions.
The partnership continues and we have developed a full range of Pzeros for the
Zonda F and now for the R and we are working also on the new platform.
For the F the Pzero, our ultimate performance road tyre, is the solution, ensuring the
best balance of dry and wet grip.
Its asimetrical profile, optimized to compensate the growth of its diameter at the
highest speed and its multi compound tread are the main features.
A complement of Winter sizes is also on the way to ensure mobility to the most
passionate Pagani Customers that want to use the car throughout the year in
northern countries.
The slick for the Zonda R are a direct application of the winning FIA GT racing tyres
that include the ultimate technologies with nanobase compounds and hybrid aramid
reinforcements fibers.
Here there is no technical gap between the race and the dream
-----------
Dear Friends,
Welcome to you all.
Thanks for being here tonight for the official presentation of the Zonda R.
I wish to share with you some moments of amusement and relax, during which
we will tell about the new Zonda R and the other projects Pagani is currently
developing, bringing to you my ideas and my dreams.
We are all aware of the fact that the Zonda R is a toy, one of those toys which
made us happy when we were kids, encouraging our fantasy and dreams, bringing
our mind to an ideal world. It is important to follow this childish feeling inside,
and still enjoy these toys, more or less expensive, along all phases of life.
The Zonda R is a completely new project, the result of more than 2 years work
and the introduction of 2.100 brand new components. For Pagani it represents
the ideal environment to test new solutions for the future products. Prestigious
technical partners have teamed up with Pagani in the development of this
demanding project. Among them, the AMG, Aspa, Automac, Bagatti, Bosch,
Ennegi, Pirelli, Poggipolini, Xtrac, highly qualified professionals pushed by a strong
motivation. I am deeply thankful to all of them.
The project “Fangio”, later renamed “Zonda”, from a technical and stylistic point
of view was inspired by the group C prototype, when the design was not imposed
by aerodynamic restrictions. You might remember, the Sauber Mercedes C11, the
Peugeot 905, the Jaguar XJR-8, as also the older Ferrari P4, and Porsche 917,
all beautiful cars which influenced the design of sport cars.
Some years ago in Les Mans, I had the chance to admire one of the most attractive
cars of the last decade, the Bentley EXP Speed 8, from that moment I began to
wonder about the Zonda R. After that, I was speaking to a friend and customer
and he convinced me to think this was the right idea and to go on in the project.
The Zonda R is designed out of pure creativity, free from road or homologation
limitations. Each individual involved in the realisation was able to express his own
talents and arts, according to the tradition of the ancient masters of the Renaissance.
The first concepts and ideas of the car were discussed within my design team at
the factory, then we forward the request to AMG to supply a high performance
engine according to our technical specifics. Both the AMG confirmed their
commitment in this new challenge, and in short time we had the first mock-up
engine, which we brought to Geneva on the Pagani stand together with a scale
model of the Zonda R. Honestly, I was not sure there were people who would
invest such a high amount for a Pagani racing car, with luck these thoughts have
been denied and in only few months already 9 orders were confirmed. Since that
moment we thought the project was perhaps too crazy, but in fact there are
customers that are even crazier!
And for them we concentrated all our energies.
The first concept planned to use some parts of the Zonda F, and the look was not
as extreme as it is now, both for technology employed and dynamic, in fact after
3 months we thrown all away and restarted from zero.
Technical Description
The chassis is in carbon titanium, for the first time in the automotive history these two
materials have been combined to form a monocoque. The combination allowed us to
build a rigid frame that remained safe in a crash, 25kg lighter than on a Zonda F. The
suspension components are forged Avional parts, technologies lifted from the aerospace
industry. This allowed us to safe 30 % in weight while maintaining the mechanical
characteristics.
The engine is fantastic as are all AMG engines, 750 hp and 710 Nm of torque.
The engine drivetrain is bolted directly to the chassis, becoming stressed member. The
interface components between the suspensions, gearbox and engine are machined out
of a block. They start out as a 75kg block, to become the weight optimised 12kg parts. To the company Aspa go the credits for these masterpieces.
Many components on the car are in Titanium and they are made by the world leader
in the performance automotive sector, Poggipolini Titanium.
The gearbox is a sequential straight cut Xtrac box in Magnesium casing. The robotisation
is performed by Automac Engineering, allowing shift times as low as 20ms.
The research of lightness is not only an aim for us, it is an obsession. Each part is
engineered with three objectives, to be functional, to be beautiful and to be light. We
did not accept compromises regarding costs, as we firmly believe that the few fortunates
being able to own this car deserve only the best. The toolings to make the Zonda R are
completely new and would allow to build the parts for a production run of 300, but the
total number is limited to 15 units. The companies ENNEGI and Bagatti have machined
the models on Pagani CAD data to create the moulds for the new components.
The aerodynamic research was focused on three aspects, the general function and shape
of the exterior, the internal aerodynamics and the microaerodynamics, the research in
the smallest detail
Our target dry weight was 1.120kg, but in the end we managed to reach 1.070kg
without compromising the safety requirements set out at the beginning of the project.
The front frame has energy absorbing elements that are similar to the upcoming C9.
At the 56 kph rigid barrier crash tests, the behaviour is comfortably within the legal
requirements.
As far as the tyres are concerned I would like to emphasise the work of Pirelli, our partner
for over a year now. Developing bespoke slick tyres for the Zonda R has been a tough
challenge for the dimensions we were seeking.
----------
Wolf Zimmermann (AMG)
The relation between Mercedes AMG and Pagani is a story of success. When the
first Zonda was launched in 1999 very few believed Pagani could become the
company it is now. Mercedes AMG not only believed in a solid concept but even
more in a passionate, skilled and devoted team led by Horacio Pagani.
Ten years have passed and not too long ago Mercedes AMG delivered Pagani
engine number 100, a fact that surpassed our wildest expectations.
It is also for this reason we are here tonight to celebrate the Zonda R, as the ultimate
expression of automotive performance. With pleasure Mercedes AMG made this
special race engine for a car, that will most likely not just amaze us, but also future
generations, as an instant classic.
Not being confined to any regulations has enabled our engineers to develop an
engine with characteristics not seen on trackday cars before, as far as power
delivery, torque and driveability is concerned. We wanted the driver to feel the
emotions only race car drivers usually experience.
We feel committed to give the Pagani masterpieces the hearts they deserve and that
is why we will continue to see bespoke Mercedes-AMG powerplants in future Pagani
vehicles, to continue this success story.
-------
Marco Marioni (Pirelli)
Pagani is an unique blend of craftsmanship and high technology
Pagani is passion and performance
Pirelli has and wants to reinforce its heritage as the leader in performance tyres
Here we join our stenghts and we cooperate to provide the ultimate dream on 4
wheels
Pagani and Pirelli have started their partnership in the 2nd half of 2007 preparing for
the record attack for fastest lap at the Nurburgring.
Soon a few winning points came to the surface.
We lowered the record to a value that held for almost a year....
We also learned a lot since the Zonda is a peculiar car that uses the tyres in a very
"light" way, minimizing scrub and wear, despite its enormous potential, thanks to its
low weight and efficient suspensions.
The partnership continues and we have developed a full range of Pzeros for the
Zonda F and now for the R and we are working also on the new platform.
For the F the Pzero, our ultimate performance road tyre, is the solution, ensuring the
best balance of dry and wet grip.
Its asimetrical profile, optimized to compensate the growth of its diameter at the
highest speed and its multi compound tread are the main features.
A complement of Winter sizes is also on the way to ensure mobility to the most
passionate Pagani Customers that want to use the car throughout the year in
northern countries.
The slick for the Zonda R are a direct application of the winning FIA GT racing tyres
that include the ultimate technologies with nanobase compounds and hybrid aramid
reinforcements fibers.
Here there is no technical gap between the race and the dream
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