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The Toyota 86 and the Subaru BRZ are 2+2 sports cars jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru, manufactured at Subaru's Gunma assembly plant. For the first-generation model, Toyota marketed the sports car as the 86 in Asia, Australia, North America (from August 2016), South Africa, and South America; as the Toyota GT86 in Europe; as the 86 and GT86 in New Zealand; as the Toyota FT86 in Brunei, Nicaragua and Jamaica and as the Scion FR-S (2012–2016) in the United States and Canada.
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Toyota GT 86 Convertible delayed indefinitely
A few months ago, rumors surfaced that Toyota had axed the GT 86 Convertible. Shortly thereafter, GT 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada dismissed the reports and said the model was still under evaluation. Fast forward to today and WhatCar is reporting the model has been "delayed indefinitely."
Citing company insiders, the magazine says the model is on ice as it isn't in the Toyota product plan for 2014 or 2015. The sources declined to give a reason for the model's status but previous reports have indicated high costs and production capacity issues.
Despite the latest bout of bad news, the magazine speculations the model could eventually be fast-tracked if Toyota's management changes their mind.
Source: What Car
A few months ago, rumors surfaced that Toyota had axed the GT 86 Convertible. Shortly thereafter, GT 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada dismissed the reports and said the model was still under evaluation. Fast forward to today and WhatCar is reporting the model has been "delayed indefinitely."
Citing company insiders, the magazine says the model is on ice as it isn't in the Toyota product plan for 2014 or 2015. The sources declined to give a reason for the model's status but previous reports have indicated high costs and production capacity issues.
Despite the latest bout of bad news, the magazine speculations the model could eventually be fast-tracked if Toyota's management changes their mind.
Source: What Car
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Toyota GT 86 Sedan rendered
Will have extended wheelbase and a hybrid option
It was only yesterday when rumors of a sedan GT 86 sedan emerged, and now we bring a render with the four-door version which is allegedly close to production series.
The artist behind these renders is Theophilus Chin who envisioned a red sedan GT 86 back in 2011 and now he updated his work with a black car which looks more appropriate for a production-ready model. If green-lighted for production, the four-door GT 86 will boast a 100mm extended wheelbase and could be shown in March next year at Geneva Motor Show.
The car will reportedly be offered as standard with the coupe's 2.0-liter boxer engine but an optional hybrid arrangement derived from the Yaris Hybrid-R concept is also in the cards with up to 268 bhp (200 kW) and a KERS system similar to F1 cars.
A market launch is expected towards the end of 2015 while pricing should be in the same region as the coupe.
Source: theophiluschin.com
Source: Toyota GT 86 Sedan rendered
Will have extended wheelbase and a hybrid option
It was only yesterday when rumors of a sedan GT 86 sedan emerged, and now we bring a render with the four-door version which is allegedly close to production series.
The artist behind these renders is Theophilus Chin who envisioned a red sedan GT 86 back in 2011 and now he updated his work with a black car which looks more appropriate for a production-ready model. If green-lighted for production, the four-door GT 86 will boast a 100mm extended wheelbase and could be shown in March next year at Geneva Motor Show.
The car will reportedly be offered as standard with the coupe's 2.0-liter boxer engine but an optional hybrid arrangement derived from the Yaris Hybrid-R concept is also in the cards with up to 268 bhp (200 kW) and a KERS system similar to F1 cars.
A market launch is expected towards the end of 2015 while pricing should be in the same region as the coupe.
Source: theophiluschin.com
Source: Toyota GT 86 Sedan rendered
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Well this is really sad news 
Poor Sales of Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S Likely To Rule Out New Variants
"A senior Toyota official has revealed that poor sales of the GT 86 sports car meant that additional variants, such as the much-hyped convertible and a possible performance version, are likely to be ruled out.
Speaking with Auto Express, Toyota’s European R&D boss Gerald Killmann said the GT 86 was behind sales targets in all major markets, meaning the American-market Scion FR-S as well, and that this has created doubts towards developing further variants of the car.
"A faster version of that car would be at the top of most people's wish lists, but like the cabriolet, it is hard to justify a business case to push either model into production based on the current sales," Killmann said.
Killmann went on to explain that Toyota was unsure why the car wasn’t selling well, especially because most reviews have been quite positive (you can read our first drive report here).
There have been plenty of rumors pertaining to additional variants for the GT 86 and its FR-S twin. They include the aforementioned convertible, a new hybrid model and even a sedan. Sadly, it sounds like none of these will be coming."
Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...t-new-variants
Poor Sales of Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S Likely To Rule Out New Variants
"A senior Toyota official has revealed that poor sales of the GT 86 sports car meant that additional variants, such as the much-hyped convertible and a possible performance version, are likely to be ruled out.
Speaking with Auto Express, Toyota’s European R&D boss Gerald Killmann said the GT 86 was behind sales targets in all major markets, meaning the American-market Scion FR-S as well, and that this has created doubts towards developing further variants of the car.
"A faster version of that car would be at the top of most people's wish lists, but like the cabriolet, it is hard to justify a business case to push either model into production based on the current sales," Killmann said.
Killmann went on to explain that Toyota was unsure why the car wasn’t selling well, especially because most reviews have been quite positive (you can read our first drive report here).
There have been plenty of rumors pertaining to additional variants for the GT 86 and its FR-S twin. They include the aforementioned convertible, a new hybrid model and even a sedan. Sadly, it sounds like none of these will be coming."
Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...t-new-variants
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Well this is really sad news
Poor Sales of Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S Likely To Rule Out New Variants
"A senior Toyota official has revealed that poor sales of the GT 86 sports car meant that additional variants, such as the much-hyped convertible and a possible performance version, are likely to be ruled out.
Speaking with Auto Express, Toyota’s European R&D boss Gerald Killmann said the GT 86 was behind sales targets in all major markets, meaning the American-market Scion FR-S as well, and that this has created doubts towards developing further variants of the car.
"A faster version of that car would be at the top of most people's wish lists, but like the cabriolet, it is hard to justify a business case to push either model into production based on the current sales," Killmann said.
Killmann went on to explain that Toyota was unsure why the car wasn’t selling well, especially because most reviews have been quite positive (you can read our first drive report here).
There have been plenty of rumors pertaining to additional variants for the GT 86 and its FR-S twin. They include the aforementioned convertible, a new hybrid model and even a sedan. Sadly, it sounds like none of these will be coming."
1. The 1990's interior
2. No turbo = lack of torque
3. Time is changing. Not everyone wants a high revving small displacement NA anymore, that is why Honda is not making another S2000
4. By now you are bursting with protest but did you purchase one ?
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I guess many potential buyers walked away for reason 1-3 and decided to wait for the "real" version and thus ending up at 4.
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For me it would be the engine. NA engines are very expensive to upgrade if you ant a 40 bhp increase for instance. Turbo engines have more potential overal. Plus NA engine can also be fun when they have torque to play with ( the old Astra-Vauxall 2.0L, my RS2.0 and so on) which this engine hasnt.
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The problem is the price, at least in Sweden. Too little power for lots of money. A Clio RS, ST, 208 Gti is so much cheaper to buy and they are quicker. Yes the drive is good but price is a big issue, also its not a very practical car. These two things are the main problems IMO.
More power and better pricing and it might work.
More power and better pricing and it might work.
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Yes, it should have came as a 2.5L instead of the 2.0L and cost about $1,500 less. I don't really understand why they went with the 2.0 other than playing homage to the Toyota Corolla?? Either that or it never should have came out until they fixed that huge dip in the torque curve; the sensation of "lag" in a N/A sports car is a big no no especially when you are trying to cater to car enthusiasts..
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That's a massive cut. I wonder whether it's because more people opt for the Subaru than the Toyota or because the low torque and rear wheel drive combination doesn't sell in Sweden.
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They're quite common around here as well.
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The real reason for sluggish sales of the GT86. 
The Internet wants you to buy a Scion FR-S or Subaru BRZ. It needs you to buy one so that it can buy one used. In five years. Or ten. After the depreciation hits. After the injector-seal issues are fully worked out. After the secret to wringing real power out of that feckless little opposed-cylinder noisemaker is discovered. After they get that promotion to Manager of Cellular Accessories at Best Buy. Hurry up and buy one already, won’t you? The third owner of your car’s waiting for you.
The only problem is that you’re not buying, are you? You’re not alone, in the not buying. The sales numbers aren’t what Subaru and Toyota hoped they’d be. Everybody knows why, or thinks they do. Not enough power. Not enough reliability. Needs to be bigger, or smaller, or lighter, or more robust, or less like a Miata, or more so.
There are theories out there, man, good ones. I can’t believe that Subaru hasn’t taken a random kid off the forums and made him the product planner for the next generation, the way aliens took a kid from the arcades and made him defend their planet from evil in The Last Starfighter.
No, the numbers aren’t great, but you can’t say that I’m not doing my part to encourage people to buy the little Subaru that could (easily out-drag a Chevette Diesel, nine times out of ten). A few days ago, I fired up my brand-new Accord V6 Coupe and drove it 40 miles to my friend Albert’s house. Albert and I raced BMX together for years. He’s an avid videogamer, a tiny bit of an otaku. Drives a Mk4 GTI, which is continually broken. Wants an FR-S or BRZ. I agreed to be his taxi to the dealers and possibly help him negotiate a deal, if it came to that.
“You know,” I opined as we pulled up to the Scion dealer, “you should consider an Accord V6 Coupe such as this one. It will rip the lungs out of an FR-S. You just saw how easily it accelerates to triple digit velocities while staying quiet enough to hear the Fleet Foxes on the touchscreen stereo.”
“Ugh,” Albert frowned, “this is such a family car.”
“You just say that because it has a child seat in it, and the child seat is approximately the size of theTirpitz.”
“I don’t want a fail-wheel-drive family car. I want an FR-S.” I thought back to my days selling cars and wished that I could have dealt with guys like Albert every day. Imagine the pleasure of having customers who knew what they wanted. Our salesperson, however, wasn’t quite as grateful as I would have been.
READ THIS: Accelerated Depreciation - Boxster vs. Mustang vs. FR-S
“I see you’re interested in the FR-S,” he said. “Let me tell you, it runs like a thirteen in the quarter-mile. It’s as fast as my Corvette.” This seemed like two lies in a row, so I asked him, “What year is your ‘Vette?”
“Eighty-seven. It don’t run right now.” So it was only one lie, then. As he pulled a black FR-S out of the line of two FR-Ses and three million unsold xB box-wagon things, he said, “Let me tell you about the paint protection we put on every one of these. I was a detailer and trust me, without PaintPlate this thing will rust almost immediately.” I checked our immediate vicinity to make sure we weren’t being Punk’d.
“Look at these seats,” our salesman beamed, pointing at the red-trimmed buckets. “It’s French stitching or some shit.” As Albert pulled out of the lot, I mentioned that we were also considering the Subaru BRZ. “Those ones,” he reassured me, “get the weak engines. They basically make the bad ones the BRZ. And you know why? That’s because Toyota is more powerful than Subaru.” I briefly envisioned two robots battling in Tokyo for the right to badge the more powerful GT86s as they rolled off the end of the line and onto the dynos.
When Albert said that he still wanted to try a BRZ, the salesman and his manager were low-pressure about the whole thing. Neither was a hard-nosed closer of old. But they hadn’t told us a single thing about the car that was true, and they hadn’t given us a single reason to choose the FR-S over a Genesis Coupe or Mustang or Aventador, for that matter.
They didn’t sell us.
Had we been looking for a Camry, we’d no doubt have been given 10 reasons to choose the Toyota over an Accord or Fusion—but when it came to selling the FR-S, they mostly focused on the PaintPlate and forgot the car that it was so diligently protecting.
Matt Tierney
The Subaru dealership was next. I decided to pretend that neither Albert nor I knew anything about the car. Our salesman was an earnest man in his forties. He had a lot to say about the BRZ. Unfortunately, none of it seemed to be terribly relevant, or accurate.
“The biggest thing about this car,” he said, thumping the desk, “is safety. Subaru builds this car to be the very safest.” The very safest what? The very safest boxer-engined two-door coupe under $40,000?
“Plus it’s plenty fast,” he said, “designed to handle like a race car. You’d better let me drive it first, because it is some machine and you want to be careful.” Then he proceeded to demonstrate the features of the BRZ Limited. One feature in particular: the graphic EQ on the stereo. While the XM station blared Metallica, he spent five minutes fiddling with the EQ before giving up and saying, “It isn’t supposed to sound bad like it does, but we’ll fix it before you take delivery.”
LONG-TERM INTRO: 2013 Subaru BRZ
Then it was drive time. As promised, the salesman drove first. He waggled the BRZ back and forth on the road a few times. From the back seat, I pretended to have hit my head sharply against the window, so he slowed down and started trying to demonstrate the dual climate control. “No car this size,” he said, “has ever had dual climate control like this.”
“Like what?” I asked.
“Like, you know, capable of being dual.” Then he pointed at the “VSC Sport” button behind the shifter. “That’s one hell of a button right there,” he said. “It, ah, um,”
“Increases the intervention threshold for the stability control?” I suggested.
“That’s certainly one of the things it does. Feel the power,” our salesman said. I’d had enough at this point.
“Oh, come on,” I moaned. “My Accord would bend this thing over the sink and take what it wanted without pity, accompanied by the roar of two i-VTEC cams coming onto full song.”
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“There is no Accord, ever,” I was assured, “that could go this fast.” I sulked in the back seat until the test drive was over. Again, there was no pressure whatsoever; just a free brochure and a business card. The closest we came to being “sold” in the conventional sense was when our salesman caught me reading the sticker on an Outback. “You need to look at one of those today,” he declaimed. “I got some incentives that expire this week. Why don’t you take one around the block and let me work up some numbers on your Honda.”
LONG-TERM BRZ: Adventures in tuning
“Don’t you have numbers on the BRZ?” I asked.
“Not to worry, just come back on that whenever you feel like.” I got the feeling that, had Albert demanded to buy the little coupe that afternoon, it would have been a junior-prom-night’s worth of hassle just to close the deal—on his part. Once it was determined that we weren’t serious Outback customers, we were shown the door and given a heartfelt suggestion to enjoy the rest of the day.
On the way back to Albert’s house, I gave the Accord full steam ahead and made a point of chirping the front tires in third gear. “Wouldn’t you rather have something like this?” I plaintively inquired. “Look how much room we have.”
“I want,” Albert reinforced, “a GT86. The only question is whether it’s FR-S or BRZ.”
“I think you should make sure you get a good one, there seems to be some variation.”
“I’d also like it,” Albert replied, “if somebody really wanted to sell me one.”
He had a point. We deliberately left the trade at home to slow the process a bit, but it hadn’t been necessary. Two dealerships took Albert in as an “up” and demonstrated no product knowledge of, very little genuine enthusiasm for, and no willingness whatsoever to actually sell him an “86.” Could it be that the reason for the slow sales of the Toyobaru isn’t the car itself, but the fact that it’s sold through two dealer organizations that survive on an entirely different kind of automobile? What could a Porsche dealer do with the FR-S on its floor?
LONG-TERM WRAP: 2013 Subaru BRZ
It doesn’t really matter. Albert’s going to buy one even if he has to buy it at a big-box retail store. Which makes me wonder if perhaps it wouldn’t be a better idea to do just that. Forget the dealers. They don’t want it. Put it in Wal-Mart, back next to the lawnmowers and the Jeff Gordon steering-wheel covers. Knock two grand off the price and watch ‘em sell. In the modern era, these cars are purchased by people who know the full story on them before they ever leave their homes.
Our Subaru salesperson said as much during the test drive: “I learn something new about this car from each of the customers who buys one.”
If Subaru and Toyota are in a position where the most knowledgeable advocates for their product are the buyers themselves, why not deal the dealers out for once?
Source: Dealers Are Clueless About the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ
The Internet wants you to buy a Scion FR-S or Subaru BRZ. It needs you to buy one so that it can buy one used. In five years. Or ten. After the depreciation hits. After the injector-seal issues are fully worked out. After the secret to wringing real power out of that feckless little opposed-cylinder noisemaker is discovered. After they get that promotion to Manager of Cellular Accessories at Best Buy. Hurry up and buy one already, won’t you? The third owner of your car’s waiting for you.
The only problem is that you’re not buying, are you? You’re not alone, in the not buying. The sales numbers aren’t what Subaru and Toyota hoped they’d be. Everybody knows why, or thinks they do. Not enough power. Not enough reliability. Needs to be bigger, or smaller, or lighter, or more robust, or less like a Miata, or more so.
There are theories out there, man, good ones. I can’t believe that Subaru hasn’t taken a random kid off the forums and made him the product planner for the next generation, the way aliens took a kid from the arcades and made him defend their planet from evil in The Last Starfighter.
No, the numbers aren’t great, but you can’t say that I’m not doing my part to encourage people to buy the little Subaru that could (easily out-drag a Chevette Diesel, nine times out of ten). A few days ago, I fired up my brand-new Accord V6 Coupe and drove it 40 miles to my friend Albert’s house. Albert and I raced BMX together for years. He’s an avid videogamer, a tiny bit of an otaku. Drives a Mk4 GTI, which is continually broken. Wants an FR-S or BRZ. I agreed to be his taxi to the dealers and possibly help him negotiate a deal, if it came to that.
“You know,” I opined as we pulled up to the Scion dealer, “you should consider an Accord V6 Coupe such as this one. It will rip the lungs out of an FR-S. You just saw how easily it accelerates to triple digit velocities while staying quiet enough to hear the Fleet Foxes on the touchscreen stereo.”
“Ugh,” Albert frowned, “this is such a family car.”
“You just say that because it has a child seat in it, and the child seat is approximately the size of theTirpitz.”
“I don’t want a fail-wheel-drive family car. I want an FR-S.” I thought back to my days selling cars and wished that I could have dealt with guys like Albert every day. Imagine the pleasure of having customers who knew what they wanted. Our salesperson, however, wasn’t quite as grateful as I would have been.
READ THIS: Accelerated Depreciation - Boxster vs. Mustang vs. FR-S
“I see you’re interested in the FR-S,” he said. “Let me tell you, it runs like a thirteen in the quarter-mile. It’s as fast as my Corvette.” This seemed like two lies in a row, so I asked him, “What year is your ‘Vette?”
“Eighty-seven. It don’t run right now.” So it was only one lie, then. As he pulled a black FR-S out of the line of two FR-Ses and three million unsold xB box-wagon things, he said, “Let me tell you about the paint protection we put on every one of these. I was a detailer and trust me, without PaintPlate this thing will rust almost immediately.” I checked our immediate vicinity to make sure we weren’t being Punk’d.
“Look at these seats,” our salesman beamed, pointing at the red-trimmed buckets. “It’s French stitching or some shit.” As Albert pulled out of the lot, I mentioned that we were also considering the Subaru BRZ. “Those ones,” he reassured me, “get the weak engines. They basically make the bad ones the BRZ. And you know why? That’s because Toyota is more powerful than Subaru.” I briefly envisioned two robots battling in Tokyo for the right to badge the more powerful GT86s as they rolled off the end of the line and onto the dynos.
When Albert said that he still wanted to try a BRZ, the salesman and his manager were low-pressure about the whole thing. Neither was a hard-nosed closer of old. But they hadn’t told us a single thing about the car that was true, and they hadn’t given us a single reason to choose the FR-S over a Genesis Coupe or Mustang or Aventador, for that matter.
They didn’t sell us.
Had we been looking for a Camry, we’d no doubt have been given 10 reasons to choose the Toyota over an Accord or Fusion—but when it came to selling the FR-S, they mostly focused on the PaintPlate and forgot the car that it was so diligently protecting.
Matt Tierney
The Subaru dealership was next. I decided to pretend that neither Albert nor I knew anything about the car. Our salesman was an earnest man in his forties. He had a lot to say about the BRZ. Unfortunately, none of it seemed to be terribly relevant, or accurate.
“The biggest thing about this car,” he said, thumping the desk, “is safety. Subaru builds this car to be the very safest.” The very safest what? The very safest boxer-engined two-door coupe under $40,000?
“Plus it’s plenty fast,” he said, “designed to handle like a race car. You’d better let me drive it first, because it is some machine and you want to be careful.” Then he proceeded to demonstrate the features of the BRZ Limited. One feature in particular: the graphic EQ on the stereo. While the XM station blared Metallica, he spent five minutes fiddling with the EQ before giving up and saying, “It isn’t supposed to sound bad like it does, but we’ll fix it before you take delivery.”
LONG-TERM INTRO: 2013 Subaru BRZ
Then it was drive time. As promised, the salesman drove first. He waggled the BRZ back and forth on the road a few times. From the back seat, I pretended to have hit my head sharply against the window, so he slowed down and started trying to demonstrate the dual climate control. “No car this size,” he said, “has ever had dual climate control like this.”
“Like what?” I asked.
“Like, you know, capable of being dual.” Then he pointed at the “VSC Sport” button behind the shifter. “That’s one hell of a button right there,” he said. “It, ah, um,”
“Increases the intervention threshold for the stability control?” I suggested.
“That’s certainly one of the things it does. Feel the power,” our salesman said. I’d had enough at this point.
“Oh, come on,” I moaned. “My Accord would bend this thing over the sink and take what it wanted without pity, accompanied by the roar of two i-VTEC cams coming onto full song.”
Brian Blades
“There is no Accord, ever,” I was assured, “that could go this fast.” I sulked in the back seat until the test drive was over. Again, there was no pressure whatsoever; just a free brochure and a business card. The closest we came to being “sold” in the conventional sense was when our salesman caught me reading the sticker on an Outback. “You need to look at one of those today,” he declaimed. “I got some incentives that expire this week. Why don’t you take one around the block and let me work up some numbers on your Honda.”
LONG-TERM BRZ: Adventures in tuning
“Don’t you have numbers on the BRZ?” I asked.
“Not to worry, just come back on that whenever you feel like.” I got the feeling that, had Albert demanded to buy the little coupe that afternoon, it would have been a junior-prom-night’s worth of hassle just to close the deal—on his part. Once it was determined that we weren’t serious Outback customers, we were shown the door and given a heartfelt suggestion to enjoy the rest of the day.
On the way back to Albert’s house, I gave the Accord full steam ahead and made a point of chirping the front tires in third gear. “Wouldn’t you rather have something like this?” I plaintively inquired. “Look how much room we have.”
“I want,” Albert reinforced, “a GT86. The only question is whether it’s FR-S or BRZ.”
“I think you should make sure you get a good one, there seems to be some variation.”
“I’d also like it,” Albert replied, “if somebody really wanted to sell me one.”
He had a point. We deliberately left the trade at home to slow the process a bit, but it hadn’t been necessary. Two dealerships took Albert in as an “up” and demonstrated no product knowledge of, very little genuine enthusiasm for, and no willingness whatsoever to actually sell him an “86.” Could it be that the reason for the slow sales of the Toyobaru isn’t the car itself, but the fact that it’s sold through two dealer organizations that survive on an entirely different kind of automobile? What could a Porsche dealer do with the FR-S on its floor?
LONG-TERM WRAP: 2013 Subaru BRZ
It doesn’t really matter. Albert’s going to buy one even if he has to buy it at a big-box retail store. Which makes me wonder if perhaps it wouldn’t be a better idea to do just that. Forget the dealers. They don’t want it. Put it in Wal-Mart, back next to the lawnmowers and the Jeff Gordon steering-wheel covers. Knock two grand off the price and watch ‘em sell. In the modern era, these cars are purchased by people who know the full story on them before they ever leave their homes.
Our Subaru salesperson said as much during the test drive: “I learn something new about this car from each of the customers who buys one.”
If Subaru and Toyota are in a position where the most knowledgeable advocates for their product are the buyers themselves, why not deal the dealers out for once?
Source: Dealers Are Clueless About the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ
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The main deficient of the Subayota is power. Had it had some 250-270 bhp, then it would have been a much more appealing base. In reality, many will tweak the car to make it more to their liking, and for any sort of suspension, interior or, god forbid, aerodynamics, the car is fine, but the engine. The engine. It seems like Subayota had the perfect lump on shelf... I don't understand.
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