GT (C192) [Official] The all-new Mercedes-AMG GT Coupé

[Pagani]

All of this is well and good, but everyone who's driven the new GT seems to love it.

Not many people have complained about a loss in sporting character compared to the first generation of GT, and nobody has complained about it's increased compliance on bad pavements.
It's less extreme than the prior GT and SLS, and the worst complaint is of course the weight gain. But people have found it to be a better car overall.

If there are lighter, hotter variants coming in future, what's the harm in having a base model that's a bit softer and forgiving for people who don't want a raw sports car experience?

I suppose this is the perennial conundrum.

I cannot fathom more than 100 lbs ever being reduced, unless they go for a stripped out RWD version with the V8, in which they would lose speed (acceleration), and even at that, I doubt they’d do better than 150 to 200 lbs reduction. This is a really heavy car, period. It is even heavier than the SL, which does not check out.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Nobody would have bought one for the long bknnety anyway. As evidenced by the sales of the prior GT.

People forget that despite having a cult following online, the GT didn't actually sell particularly well. The 911 just ate it's lunch every time.

Wrong.

People who didnt want a common as pigeon shit 911 bought it because it was more exotic.

Its sales figures for what it was were respectable. Its not meant to be a mass produced car.

A reason why many people wont buy a 911 is because there is one on every street corner, and its not a head turner.

At the end of a day, a product like a vantage, a roma, a amg gt, is sold by its looks and its performance first and foremost.

A 911 is like a mx5. A safe decision but ultimately uninspiring.

 

[Fastpaddy]

It's also just a 2 seater and is far less practical as a daily driver, which is the original complaint of the GT.

No one who owns a AMG GT or vantage only has one car. Its a weekend/occasion car.

Every owner i know of has a normal practical car, and usually the sports car is the third car.

So softening the shit out of the AMG GT is just a oxymoron.

The older guys will like it, but the younger audience captured by the previous gen are now looking at alternatives.

Used 812, new roma, new vantage, mclarens.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

No one who owns a AMG GT or vantage only has one car. Its a weekend/occasion car.

Every owner i know of has a normal practical car, and usually the sports car is the third car.

So softening the shit out of the AMG GT is just a oxymoron.

The older guys will like it, but the younger audience captured by the previous gen are now looking at alternatives.

Used 812, new roma, new vantage, mclarens.

Well we'll see in the long run how this shakes out. I dunno if it has indeed had the shit softened out of it. Everyone who's driven it say its more than the sum of its parts when it comes to driving dynamics, despite sharing the same platform as the SL.
And sharing the same platform is meaningless, because the C, E, S and their GL variants all use the same platform too.

I agree with the price being wrong for this type of car, but if the people who have driven it like the way it drives and feels, and more people buy it, then mission accomplished.

I cannot fathom more than 100 lbs ever being reduced, unless they go for a stripped out RWD version with the V8, in which they would lose speed (acceleration), and even at that, I doubt they’d do better than 150 to 200 lbs reduction. This is a really heavy car, period. It is even heavier than the SL, which does not check out.

That remains to be seen. The SL43 is about 230kg (446lbs) lighter than the SL63. Part of that will be the smaller, lighter engine, but the AWD drivetrain will also impact things. The M177 is apparently 209kg, where the M139 is 160kg - so around about 190kg (400lbs ish) can probably saved with the transmission alone, which is not insignificant.

They can also fit a transaxle to it, and make a 2-seater only variant if they want. They can add carbon fibre pieces here and there and everywhere to reduce weight. Of course it won't be as light as a GT Black (probably), but they definitely can strip out a lot of weight if they wanted to.

Also, I'm fairly sure that the 911 GT3 RS is slower to 60 than a Turbo S, but that doesn't mean its any less desirable as a car. There is a reason there are about a billion variants of 911s - and that's cause each of them serve a different segment of the market.

Whether or not AMG will be anywhere near as successful as Porsche in this segment off the back of this GT remains to be seen.

 

[Serpens]

Wrong.

People who didnt want a common as pigeon shit 911 bought it because it was more exotic.

Its sales figures for what it was were respectable. Its not meant to be a mass produced car.

A reason why many people wont buy a 911 is because there is one on every street corner, and its not a head turner.

At the end of a day, a product like a vantage, a roma, a amg gt, is sold by its looks and its performance first and foremost.

A 911 is like a mx5. A safe decision but ultimately uninspiring.

Mercedes wanted to sell every AMG GT it could, it's not like they were capacity limited. Meanwhile, 911 sales have continued to sell triple what the last AMG GT did all while increasing the price.

No one who owns a AMG GT or vantage only has one car. Its a weekend/occasion car.

Every owner i know of has a normal practical car, and usually the sports car is the third car.

So softening the shit out of the AMG GT is just a oxymoron.

Not really. People nowadays still want DD-friendly qualities in their third/fourth/fifth car. Hard edged vehicles (outside of special editions) are becoming increasingly rare for a reason. Ferrari especially has shown compliance needn't be ignored with some of their recent offerings. The ride quality on both the 488 I owned and the Roma I recently drove in the bumpy road setting is fantastic.

They can also fit a transaxle to it, and make a 2-seater only variant if they want. They can add carbon fibre pieces here and there and everywhere to reduce weight. Of course it won't be as light as a GT Black (probably), but they definitely can strip out a lot of weight if they wanted to.

Also, I'm fairly sure that the 911 GT3 RS is slower to 60 than a Turbo S, but that doesn't mean its any less desirable as a car. There is a reason there are about a billion variants of 911s - and that's cause each of them serve a different segment of the market.

Whether or not AMG will be anywhere near as successful as Porsche in this segment off the back of this GT remains to be seen.

This platform won't accept a transaxle setup. I'd call this a win if it can sell half of what a 911 does instead of a third like the last gen. This is a crowded market nowadays though, they'll have their work cut out for them.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I'd be interested to know why the platform can't accept a Transaxle. Is it a packaging issue? Cause surely if they bin the back seats and huge bin...? Well I'm no engineer.

 

[Serpens]

I'd be interested to know why the platform can't accept a Transaxle. Is it a packaging issue? Cause surely if they bin the back seats and huge bin...? Well I'm no engineer.

Well I mean I'm sure they could if they really wanted to, but it would just be very expensive and call into question the whole reason they went with this platform in the first place. Packaging and related modifications to the platform would indeed be the primary barriers.

A transaxle is something you engineer for when you originally design a car, not after the fact.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Well we'll see in the long run how this shakes out. I dunno if it has indeed had the shit softened out of it. Everyone who's driven it say its more than the sum of its parts when it comes to driving dynamics, despite sharing the same platform as the SL.
And sharing the same platform is meaningless, because the C, E, S and their GL variants all use the same platform too.

I agree with the price being wrong for this type of car, but if the people who have driven it like the way it drives and feels, and more people buy it, then mission accomplished.



That remains to be seen. The SL43 is about 230kg (446lbs) lighter than the SL63. Part of that will be the smaller, lighter engine, but the AWD drivetrain will also impact things. The M177 is apparently 209kg, where the M139 is 160kg - so around about 190kg (400lbs ish) can probably saved with the transmission alone, which is not insignificant.

They can also fit a transaxle to it, and make a 2-seater only variant if they want. They can add carbon fibre pieces here and there and everywhere to reduce weight. Of course it won't be as light as a GT Black (probably), but they definitely can strip out a lot of weight if they wanted to.

Also, I'm fairly sure that the 911 GT3 RS is slower to 60 than a Turbo S, but that doesn't mean its any less desirable as a car. There is a reason there are about a billion variants of 911s - and that's cause each of them serve a different segment of the market.

Whether or not AMG will be anywhere near as successful as Porsche in this segment off the back of this GT remains to be seen.

The reviews ive read say its less exciting, less raw, less special occasion

 

[Fastpaddy]

Mercedes wanted to sell every AMG GT it could, it's not like they were capacity limited. Meanwhile, 911 sales have continued to sell triple what the last AMG GT did all while increasing the price.



Not really. People nowadays still want DD-friendly qualities in their third/fourth/fifth car. Hard edged vehicles (outside of special editions) are becoming increasingly rare for a reason. Ferrari especially has shown compliance needn't be ignored with some of their recent offerings. The ride quality on both the 488 I owned and the Roma I recently drove in the bumpy road setting is fantastic.



This platform won't accept a transaxle setup. I'd call this a win if it can sell half of what a 911 does instead of a third like the last gen. This is a crowded market nowadays though, they'll have their work cut out for them.

The previous amg gt wasnt extreme in any sense. There was nothing hard edged about it. Its more relaxing to drive across Europe than my audi ttrs.


They just neutered it with more weight and worse weight distribution and softened it up more.

Its longer, taller, and narrower. Worse dynamics inevitably

As for the 911, they sell more of those than m3’s and you think thats a good thing?

 

[Serpens]

I do wish

The previous amg gt wasnt extreme in any sense. There was nothing hard edged about it. Its more relaxing to drive across Europe than my audi ttrs.


They just neutered it with more weight and worse weight distribution and softened it up more.

Its longer, taller, and narrower. Worse dynamics inevitably

As for the 911, they sell more of those than m3’s and you think thats a good thing?

We can disagree on that, I've driven several iterations of the AMG GT over the years and road noise and ride quality were never something I'd compliment on. Sense of occasion and driving dynamics, yes sure. Loved it for that. Exotic looks too.

I don't really care how many 911s I see and I'll be on my 3rd pretty soon here. If Mercedes sold as many last gen AMG GTs as they wanted to, they would've made the investment to keep this new gen on a unique platform. That's my viewpoint. Clearly the investment was deemed not worth it.

 

[AndreB]

We can disagree on that, I've driven several iterations of the AMG GT over the years and road noise and ride quality were never something I'd compliment on.

I don't mind it being too stiff, its not my daily but road noise is the biggest issue and droning sound from exhaust at high speed second. 911 is not much better on road noise though.

A 2 ton AMG GT I don't understand, I rather drive a heavy Panamera.

 

[klier]

It's not the same price though. The Aston is considerably more expensive in most markets. More than AUD$130k more than the esitimated price of a fully specced AMG GT.

The prices are quite comparable. Don't take Australia as an example, it's completely meaningless

We can disagree on that, I've driven several iterations of the AMG GT over the years and road noise and ride quality were never something I'd compliment on. Sense of occasion and driving dynamics, yes sure. Loved it for that. Exotic looks too.

I don't really care how many 911s I see and I'll be on my 3rd pretty soon here. If Mercedes sold as many last gen AMG GTs as they wanted to, they would've made the investment to keep this new gen on a unique platform. That's my viewpoint. Clearly the investment was deemed not worth it.

You can make it as fancy as you want, but the truth is that MB is dumbing down their supercar with every single gen.
This new GT might as well be called a C coupe, it's not much different from a C in the end. Just heavier.

It will not go down well with true enthusiasts being the pig it is, and non MB fanboys have many other cars to choose from.

An M4 CS is going to handily beat the crap out of it. F'ing LOL.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

What qualifies as a "true enthusiast"?
Why do people who drive the new GT, like it so much?

 

[klier]

What qualifies as a "true enthusiast"?

The ones I see on the Nurburgring every day. Many AMG GTs. Great car for the Ring, one of the best actually.

Why do people who drive the new GT, like it so much?

Because they are simple plebs happy with the invitation to drive one. Who are these people who like it so much? Granddad Harry with his beer belly?

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

The ones I see on the Nurburgring every day. Many AMG GTs. Great car for the Ring, one of the best actually.



Because they are simple plebs happy with the invitation to drive one. Who are these people who like it so much? Granddad Harry with his beer belly?

Give it a rest mate. The new one will be around the ring soon enough.

 

[klier]

Give it a rest mate. The new one will be around the ring soon enough.

I am just getting started here mate

 

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[AbsoluteUnit]

The ones I see on the Nurburgring every day. Many AMG GTs. Great car for the Ring, one of the best actually.

People take SUV's and Vans round the Nurburgring - are those true enthusiasts driving true enthusiast vehicles? I dunno about that one.

Because they are simple plebs happy with the invitation to drive one. Who are these people who like it so much? Granddad Harry with his beer belly?

I'd take their opinion of the car over someone who hasn't driven it at all, and has simply looked at the spec sheet. And what exactly is wrong with Harry's opinions on cars? Whose opinion would you prefer? Misha? Chris Harris? Jason Cammisa?

 

[Design FIRST]

Hell, I just like the way the new AMG GT looks (in certain colours and trim with certain rims). And I'm sure that the way it drives will more than satisfy the vast majority of affluent customers who may be considering purchasing or leasing one. Let the nitty gritty splitting of hairs and detecting the very finest of nuances up to genuinely competent individuals such as Walter Röhrl or Jörg Bergmeister. For me as a layman, the choice between the Porsche 992.2 Carrera and the AMG GT would really be a tough one. Both are most impressive enough, I suspect.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Hell, I just like the way the new AMG GT looks (in certain colours and trim with certain rims). And I'm sure that the way it drives will more than satisfy the vast majority of affluent customers who may be considering purchasing or leasing one. Let the nitty gritty splitting of hairs and detecting the very finest of nuances up to genuinely competent individuals such as Walter Röhrl or Jörg Bergmeister. For me as a layman, the choice between the Porsche 992.2 Carrera and the AMG GT would really be a tough one. Both are most impressive enough, I suspect.

I think you'd be surprised at how distinct their characters are Jimmy.

The SL63s I have driven are an entirely different experience to my 911 GTS and I suspect the AMG GT will straddle the difference between the 2.