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S-Class (W223) [Official] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223)
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The Mercedes-Benz W223 is the seventh generation of the S‑Class full-size luxury sedan. Body Styles: W223 (standard), V223 (long), Z223 (limousine, Mercedes-Maybach). Predecessor: S‑Class (W222). Successor: S-Class (W224) [expected]. Production: 2020- Model years: 2021-
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Matt doesn't know that the 7 doesn't have a tablet in the middle? and that it is a wireless charger, and that the tablet in the middle is so much of the past...
Historically, the 7 series has never earned so many comparisons to the S-Class as it does now in this generation, which also has the caveat of being the best S-Class in history.
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This car cannot have 800PS, it is hardly quicker at higher speeds than the previous 612PS S63 V222.
0-100km/h - 3.58sec
0-200km/h - 11.37sec
0-250km/h - 19.57sec
The previous model had a much higher top speed.
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Check the kerbweights of the two cars.
And the F1 version is electronically limited in Top Speed.
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Wrong .. W/V220 vs E65/66. Guess who came out on top
Graphit grey manufaktur?
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No glossy glamour pictures here, just a real life picture of a car actually being used; one in the woods, walking my dog.
PS 19” winter wheels and tyres. I think they look ok.
PS 19” winter wheels and tyres. I think they look ok.
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A happy dog I guess
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Tested: 2023 Mercedes-Benz S580e PHEV Upstages the EQS!
The plug-in-hybrid S-class has it all over the EV.
BY ERIC STAFFORD PUBLISHED: OCT 31, 2023
From the November 2023 issue of Car and Driver.
Mercedes's EQS sedan seeks to be the S-class of electric vehicles, but it feels alien and lifeless compared with the brand's beloved flagship. The new-for-2023 plug-in-hybrid Mercedes-Benz S580e, however, steps confidently into the future while preserving the Sonderklasse's past and does so with few compromises.
The PHEV S-class pairs a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six with an electric motor. Exceeding its 46-mile EPA range estimate, it traveled 58 miles on electricity alone in our 75-mph range test—that's greater than any other PHEV we've tested (unless you count the BMW i3 with a range extender; you shouldn't).
Of course, the electric EQS goes farther, but range anxiety remains an issue on long trips. The S580e avoids those worries by offering gas fill-ups along with DC fast-charging capability, a rarity among plug-in hybrids. Mercedes claims the optional 60-kW charging hardware ($500) takes the 22.7-kWh battery from 10 to 80 percent in 20 minutes.
The faster charging capability and numerous add-ons meant our S580e cost nearly $140,000 as tested. Still, its $123,700 base price undercuts the V-8-powered S580 by $1450 and the EQS580 by $3400.
The S580e's cabin is properly palatial, with headrest pillows that rival Ambien. The $3800 Warmth & Comfort package heats and ventilates the rear seats yet weirdly leaves riders back there without climate controls. Rear-seat rheostats require the $16,100 Executive Line package. We also scoffed at the second row's two cupholders, which we struggled to release from the center armrest. The touch controls on the steering wheel are finicky, but mercifully, the EQS's giant Hyperscreen isn't here; its absence leaves space for upscale dash trim commensurate with the sedan's price. The hybrid's interior registered a hushed 64 decibels during 70-mph cruising, matching the EQS580.
The S580e's plug-in powertrain doesn't make a peep as the car wafts down the interstate in Electric mode. Its e-motor provides an instantaneous 354 pound-feet of thrust, so it helps the Benz easily keep pace with traffic without waking the straight-six. The hybrid system's combined 510 horsepower and 553 pound-feet push this 5606-pound all-wheel-drive limo to 60 mph in a tidy 4.2 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 12.6 ticks at 112 mph.
A cushy ride and fluid body motions make the luxury mission clear, and thanks to available rear-axle steering, the S580e is surprisingly nimble. Its lone dynamic flaw is a nonlinear brake pedal that is a plague in stop-and-go traffic, an issue in the EQS as well. Given that the plug-in S-class is considerably more prestigious and stylish, with enough real-world electric range to handle daily commutes, it essentially renders Mercedes's equivalent EV irrelevant.
VERDICT: The perfect blend of electromobility and S-class nobility."
www.caranddriver.com
Incredible.
The plug-in-hybrid S-class has it all over the EV.
BY ERIC STAFFORD PUBLISHED: OCT 31, 2023
From the November 2023 issue of Car and Driver.
Mercedes's EQS sedan seeks to be the S-class of electric vehicles, but it feels alien and lifeless compared with the brand's beloved flagship. The new-for-2023 plug-in-hybrid Mercedes-Benz S580e, however, steps confidently into the future while preserving the Sonderklasse's past and does so with few compromises.
The PHEV S-class pairs a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six with an electric motor. Exceeding its 46-mile EPA range estimate, it traveled 58 miles on electricity alone in our 75-mph range test—that's greater than any other PHEV we've tested (unless you count the BMW i3 with a range extender; you shouldn't).
Of course, the electric EQS goes farther, but range anxiety remains an issue on long trips. The S580e avoids those worries by offering gas fill-ups along with DC fast-charging capability, a rarity among plug-in hybrids. Mercedes claims the optional 60-kW charging hardware ($500) takes the 22.7-kWh battery from 10 to 80 percent in 20 minutes.
The faster charging capability and numerous add-ons meant our S580e cost nearly $140,000 as tested. Still, its $123,700 base price undercuts the V-8-powered S580 by $1450 and the EQS580 by $3400.
The S580e's cabin is properly palatial, with headrest pillows that rival Ambien. The $3800 Warmth & Comfort package heats and ventilates the rear seats yet weirdly leaves riders back there without climate controls. Rear-seat rheostats require the $16,100 Executive Line package. We also scoffed at the second row's two cupholders, which we struggled to release from the center armrest. The touch controls on the steering wheel are finicky, but mercifully, the EQS's giant Hyperscreen isn't here; its absence leaves space for upscale dash trim commensurate with the sedan's price. The hybrid's interior registered a hushed 64 decibels during 70-mph cruising, matching the EQS580.
The S580e's plug-in powertrain doesn't make a peep as the car wafts down the interstate in Electric mode. Its e-motor provides an instantaneous 354 pound-feet of thrust, so it helps the Benz easily keep pace with traffic without waking the straight-six. The hybrid system's combined 510 horsepower and 553 pound-feet push this 5606-pound all-wheel-drive limo to 60 mph in a tidy 4.2 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 12.6 ticks at 112 mph.
A cushy ride and fluid body motions make the luxury mission clear, and thanks to available rear-axle steering, the S580e is surprisingly nimble. Its lone dynamic flaw is a nonlinear brake pedal that is a plague in stop-and-go traffic, an issue in the EQS as well. Given that the plug-in S-class is considerably more prestigious and stylish, with enough real-world electric range to handle daily commutes, it essentially renders Mercedes's equivalent EV irrelevant.
VERDICT: The perfect blend of electromobility and S-class nobility."
2023 Mercedes-Benz S580e PHEV Upstages the EQS EV
The plug-in-hybrid S-class has it all over the EV.
Incredible.
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Its a tough choice between the 580e PHEV or S580, Which one would you choose? Inline6 with electric motor or thumping V8 and 612 pounds lighter weight.
Specifications
2023 Mercedes-Benz S580e PHEV
Vehicle Type: front-engine, front-motor, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $123,700/$139,900
POWERTRAIN
Turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve 3.0-liter inline-6, 362 hp, 369 lb-ft + AC motor, 148 hp, 354 lb-ft (combined output: 510 hp, 553 lb-ft; 22.7-kWh lithium-ion battery pack)
Transmission: 9-speed automatic
CHASSIS
Suspension, F/R: multilink/multilink
Brakes, F/R: 14.5-in vented disc/14.1-in vented disc
Tires: Hankook Ventus S1 Noble 2 HRS
F: 255/40R-20 101H M+S Extra Load MOE-S Runflat
R: 285/35R-20 104H M+S Extra Load MOE-S Runflat
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 126.6 in
Length: 208.2 in
Width: 76.9 in
Height: 59.2 in
Trunk Volume: 13 ft3
Curb Weight: 5606 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.2 sec
100 mph: 10.1 sec
1/4-Mile: 12.6 sec @ 112 mph
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 129 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 174 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 366 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.85 g
C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 35 MPGe
75-mph Highway Driving, EV/Hybrid mode: 75 MPGe/36 mpg
75-mph Highway Range, EV/Hybrid mode: 58/630 mi
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 23/20/29 mpg
Combined Gasoline + Electricity: 51 MPGe
EV Range: 46 mi
2021 Mercedes-Benz S580
Vehicle Type: front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $117,350/$143,240
ENGINE
twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 243 in3, 3982 cm3
Power: 496 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 516 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
TRANSMISSION
9-speed automatic
CHASSIS
Suspension, F/R: multilink/multilink
Brakes, F/R: 14.5-in vented, cross-drilled disc/14.1-in vented, cross-drilled, grooved carbon-ceramic disc/drum
Tires: Pirelli P Zero PZ4
F: 255/35R-21 98Y MO-S
R: 285/30R-21 100Y MO-S
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 126.6 in
Length: 208.2 in
Width: 76.9 in
Height: 59.2 in
Passenger Volume: 120 ft3
Trunk Volume: 13 ft3
Curb Weight: 4992 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.9 sec
100 mph: 9.7 sec
¼-Mile: 12.5 sec @ 114 mph
120 mph: 14.0 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 3.7 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 129 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 168 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 350 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.87 g
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 20/17/25 mpg
C/D TESTING EXPLAINED
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Specifications
2023 Mercedes-Benz S580e PHEV
Vehicle Type: front-engine, front-motor, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $123,700/$139,900
POWERTRAIN
Turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve 3.0-liter inline-6, 362 hp, 369 lb-ft + AC motor, 148 hp, 354 lb-ft (combined output: 510 hp, 553 lb-ft; 22.7-kWh lithium-ion battery pack)
Transmission: 9-speed automatic
CHASSIS
Suspension, F/R: multilink/multilink
Brakes, F/R: 14.5-in vented disc/14.1-in vented disc
Tires: Hankook Ventus S1 Noble 2 HRS
F: 255/40R-20 101H M+S Extra Load MOE-S Runflat
R: 285/35R-20 104H M+S Extra Load MOE-S Runflat
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 126.6 in
Length: 208.2 in
Width: 76.9 in
Height: 59.2 in
Trunk Volume: 13 ft3
Curb Weight: 5606 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.2 sec
100 mph: 10.1 sec
1/4-Mile: 12.6 sec @ 112 mph
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.9 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 129 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 174 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 366 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.85 g
C/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 35 MPGe
75-mph Highway Driving, EV/Hybrid mode: 75 MPGe/36 mpg
75-mph Highway Range, EV/Hybrid mode: 58/630 mi
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 23/20/29 mpg
Combined Gasoline + Electricity: 51 MPGe
EV Range: 46 mi
2021 Mercedes-Benz S580
Vehicle Type: front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $117,350/$143,240
ENGINE
twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 243 in3, 3982 cm3
Power: 496 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 516 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
TRANSMISSION
9-speed automatic
CHASSIS
Suspension, F/R: multilink/multilink
Brakes, F/R: 14.5-in vented, cross-drilled disc/14.1-in vented, cross-drilled, grooved carbon-ceramic disc/drum
Tires: Pirelli P Zero PZ4
F: 255/35R-21 98Y MO-S
R: 285/30R-21 100Y MO-S
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 126.6 in
Length: 208.2 in
Width: 76.9 in
Height: 59.2 in
Passenger Volume: 120 ft3
Trunk Volume: 13 ft3
Curb Weight: 4992 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.9 sec
100 mph: 9.7 sec
¼-Mile: 12.5 sec @ 114 mph
120 mph: 14.0 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 3.7 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 129 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 168 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 350 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.87 g
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 20/17/25 mpg
C/D TESTING EXPLAINED
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