EQS (V297) [Official] Mercedes-Benz EQS

[constalation]

My favorite EQS Concept illustration. Achingly beautiful.

I sometimes wonder at the point of these futile exercises. Is it to show their best vision unhindered? To me though, it just adds more to the visual disappointment that is the EQS.

Also congrats on the Angela Merkel joke, you're a legend Jimmy.

 

[hannaz]

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Is there any blue filter for camera.. i loved the blue body colour, blue tint on the glass & the blue leather topping on dash & door pads

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I sometimes wonder at the point of these futile exercises. Is it to show their best vision unhindered? To me though, it just adds more to the visual disappointment that is the EQS.

Also congrats on the Angela Merkel joke, you're a legend Jimmy.

If the concept only hurt the real car just wait for the reaction of the real world tests of the range after the absurdly promised 770 km. I really can not comprehend why Daimler is setting the bar of the expectations so high only to disappoint later.

 

[Wolfgang]

^ This just published article says to expect about 350 miles.

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[Sunny]

^ This just published article says to expect about 350 miles.

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@Wolfgang, Do you know why Mercedes keeps claiming 770km, when even the very best consumption figures, even those based on NEDC cycle (16kwh/100km) doesn't get you anywhere close to that?

 

[Merc1]

Well I can say it has a beautiful interior.

M

 

[Wolfgang]

@Wolfgang, Do you know why Mercedes keeps claiming 770km, when even the very best consumption figures, even those based on NEDC cycle (16kwh/100km) doesn't get you anywhere close to that?

Sunny, believe MB is adhering to WLTP requirements, which include charging losses when measuring consumption, but not when calculating range.

"This energy is stated, however, not in liters, but in kilowatt-hours (kWh) per 100 kilometers. The measurement is carried out as prescribed in the previous fuel consumption measurement specification: the battery must be fully charged at the start of test bench test. Immediately after testing, test engineers reconnect the vehicle to a charger. The cable is equipped with an electricity meter. This meter measures the total amount of current, which has the advantage that the battery’s energy losses during charging are detected as well."

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[MPertz]

Why? Does that add any value to the discussion?

No, it doesn't. But in the beginning, with the photoshoped images, people were giving him right couse he was putting in evidence the flaws of the design and what Mercedes could have done better.
Second, he became funny couse he kept telling to people how beautiful is this car while still posting modified images. And after that, he became annoying when he started to argue with the people when still posting these images when most of the people were not convinced about the design of the car.

For sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and even more to have their own taste, but we all know that if most of the people are saying it's at most likeable, it means there's a problem with the design.

If one person is telling you that you're drunk, you shouldn't give a damn.
If two people are telling you you're drunk, you should think about it.
If three people are telling you're drunk, you should go to sleep.

 

[Merc1]

Good looking cars don't need Photoshop and a pages of excuses and cheer leading.

M

 

[MPertz]

Good looking cars don't need Photoshop and a pages of excuses and cheer leading.

M

That's right. From my POV, I'd say the exterior design of the EQS it's at best digestible.
In the end this car will be saved by its interior (beautiful I would say) and maybe by its range, if that's gonna be decent.

 

[Sunny]

Sunny, believe MB is adhering to WLTP requirements, which include charging losses when measuring consumption, but not when calculating range.

Cheeky . But that is going to burn when it comes to getting EPA figures - which, also includes charging losses.

After running the successive city cycles, the battery is recharged from a normal AC source and the energy consumption of the vehicle is determined (in kW-hr/mile or kW-hr/100 miles) by dividing the kilowatt-hours of energy to recharge the battery by the miles traveled by the vehicle. The recharge energy includes any losses due to inefficiencies of the manufacturer’s charger.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Cheeky . But that is going to burn when it comes to getting EPA figures - which, also includes charging losses.

The losses during the charging do not influence to range. The battery has net capacity of 107,8 kWh, that's what counts for the range. The fact that most probably the owner will have take app 120 kWh from the charging station, gives you the proper cost per km, but does not change the range. The issue with the EQS will be the highway cycle, which is barely touched in the WLTP for EVs. ADAC made rhe test on their 'ECO' cycle which also does not include higher speed and it was abbout 22 kWh/100 km for the EQS. And lets not firget, that this is a S class or with other words the class for long highway jiurneys. The city and eco cycles are not for the field of competences of this car. Driving a 5,2 m car in the city is already not efficient due to the size. I'm waiting for a real life test at 160 kmh, where I expect it to have the same consumption as the Taycan.

 

[MPertz]

The losses during the charging do not influence to range. The battery has net capacity of 107,8 kWh, that's what counts for the range. The fact that most probably the owner will have take app 120 kWh from the charging station, gives you the proper cost per km, but does not change the range. The issue with the EQS will be the highway cycle, which is barely touched in the WLTP for EVs. ADAC made rhe test on their 'ECO' cycle which also does not include higher speed and it was abbout 22 kWh/100 km for the EQS. And lets not firget, that this is a S class or with other words the class for long highway jiurneys. The city and eco cycles are not for the field of competences of this car. Driving a 5,2 m car in the city is already not efficient due to the size. I'm waiting for a real life test at 160 kmh, where I expect it to have the same consumption as the Taycan.

So if the consumption is 22 kWh/100 km, it means the expected range will be around 500 km, and this will decrease on highway.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Cheeky . But that is going to burn when it comes to getting EPA figures - which, also includes charging losses.

The losses during the charging do not influence to range. The battery has net capacity of 107,8 kWh, that's what counts for the range. The fact that most probably the owner will have to take app 120 kWh from the charging station, gives you the proper cost per km, but does not change the range. The issue with the EQS will be the highway cycle, which is barely touched in the WLTP for EVs. ADAC made rhe test on their 'ECO' cycle which also does not include higher speed and it was abbout 22 kWh/100 km for the EQS. And lets not forget, that this is a S class or with other words the class for long highway journeys. The city and eco cycles are not for the field of competences of this car. Driving a 5,2 m car in the city is already not efficient due to the size. I'm waiting for a real life test at 160 kmh, where I expect it to have the same consumption as the Taycan.

So if the consumption is 22 kWh/100 km, it means the expected range will be around 500 km, and this will decrease on highway.

Absolutely

 

[Sonder]

Found this on IG
??

 

[BMW3GT]

An ugly car is an ugly car. Photoshop doesn't resolve its massive design flaws.

 

[MPertz]

Found this on IG
??

Sonder, you're trying to convince us of something of what this car it is not?
We don't need photoshopped cars, but real ones.

 

[Amat46]

meanwhile at a Mercedes dealership..

Customer: Its not a great looking car,is it?
Sales guy : But sir, it looks great when Photoshopped and the car comes with a free Adobe Photoshop Pro package

 

[klier]

The W/V222 was Lešnik first “whole”project at Daimler. It’s his baby. But the process of an Design is made from a whole design team. One is in charge only for mirrors, one other only for lights etc.

That may be in the final stages, but the design of a car usually is penned down by a single person.
From there it could very well be that a team of designers/engineers look at the details

 

[BorkLaser]

ADAC made rhe test on their 'ECO' cycle which also does not include higher speed and it was abbout 22 kWh/100 km for the EQS.

There is so far no ADAC test of the EQS 580 4Matic and therefore no ECOTest consumption. The consumption figures are from the P3 Group, which are not always correct.

Take a look at the Polestar 2 LR ECOTest consumption of P3 group and now take a look of what the ADAC himself says on Page 10:
ADAC TEST Polestar 2 LR Dual Motor

ADAC:"Im Elektrozyklus des Ecotest wurde ein durchschnittlicher Stromverbrauch von 29,2 kWh pro 100 km ermittelt."

f#cking 29,2 kWh per 100 km.

And btw MB always said that the EQS 450+(And not the EQS 580 4Matic), depending on the equipment, will have a range up to 770 km in the WLTP cycle and not that every version will reach these figures.

And lets not firget, that this is a S class or with other words the class for long highway jiurneys. The city and eco cycles are not for the field of competences of this car.

You will find more S-Classes on the streets of the global megacities than on a mere German Autobahn.