AMG ONE [Official] Mercedes-AMG Project ONE

[Matski]

They are just straight up c#nts who like brands that haven’t made anything close to the wheel nut of this car,

#lol

Just tagging this thread for future reference.

 

[KiwiRob]

They are just straight up c#nts who like brands that haven’t made anything close to the wheel nut of this car, just carry on with your day

my dislike for this car boils down to it being incredibly ugly, it’s just not attractive. It’s doesn’t grab your attention that way a hypercar should, other cars do that much better.

 

[LaArtist]

my dislike for this car boils down to it being incredibly ugly, it’s just not attractive. It’s doesn’t grab your attention that way a hypercar should, other cars do that much better.

Fair enough, people have different tastes.

 

[manuelf]

I'll never understand all the hate on this car...

Disclaimer:
I don't hate the AMG One.
I even applaud Mercedes to have the balls to do it.

Why I'm reserved about the One (to some degree this is also valid for Valkyrie)
F1 already went imho totally in the wrong direction with the pseudo greenwashing by introduction of hypercomplex hybrid nonsense.
This is symbolic bullshit. Cars running in circles just for fun and then they try to save some kilos of CO2, where on the other hand the F1 circus produces megatons of it. Yeah, yeah ... but this is needed because of tech transfer to mass tech. Hahaha. What a fairytale.
Not one sportscar engineer would come up with a 1,6 V6, MGU-K, MGU-H setup for a car to produce optimal performance within boundaries of costs, packaging and target performance! So AMG Ones starting point "taking over crappy, politically driven, F1 concept" is already flawed.
The other thing (and this affects Valkyrie, too):
Todays supercars are already that fast (straight line and track), that those AMG Ones and Valkyries in the hands of mere mortals, are not going to be a whole dimension faster! So they just add tons of compromises without really bringing the ultimate Wow-effect. This was much simpler/easier for - let's say a McLaren F1 back in the days ... this is over.

 

[braaf]

my dislike for this car boils down to it being incredibly ugly, it’s just not attractive. It’s doesn’t grab your attention that way a hypercar should, other cars do that much better.

Absolutely. I applaud Mercedes for this project.

I kinda like this car bar 1 or 2 styling details that put me off, most notably the headlights.

Also why is it taking so long to release, or have I missed something?

I'm excited to see this car released but I'm afraid by the time it's released the excitement will be gone.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

I am also very exited about this car, but since I have made negativ remarks about the 1,6 engine, then some individuals in this forum see me as a hater. In their limited way of seeing things there is only black or white, so this is clearly a question of mental limitation.

 

[mihc]

You have all the options on the market. 1.6 litre hybrid in AMG One, naturally aspirated V12 in Valkyrie and T.50. Plus electric Rimac, Pininfarina and Evija. Everything for everyone's taste...

 

[Merc1]

Disclaimer:
I don't hate the AMG One.
I even applaud Mercedes to have the balls to do it.

Why I'm reserved about the One (to some degree this is also valid for Valkyrie)
F1 already went imho totally in the wrong direction with the pseudo greenwashing by introduction of hypercomplex hybrid nonsense.
This is symbolic bullshit. Cars running in circles just for fun and then they try to save some kilos of CO2, where on the other hand the F1 circus produces megatons of it. Yeah, yeah ... but this is needed because of tech transfer to mass tech. Hahaha. What a fairytale.
Not one sportscar engineer would come up with a 1,6 V6, MGU-K, MGU-H setup for a car to produce optimal performance within boundaries of costs, packaging and target performance! So AMG Ones starting point "taking over crappy, politically driven, F1 concept" is already flawed.
The other thing (and this affects Valkyrie, too):
Todays supercars are already that fast (straight line and track), that those AMG Ones and Valkyries in the hands of mere mortals, are not going to be a whole dimension faster! So they just add tons of compromises without really bringing the ultimate Wow-effect. This was much simpler/easier for - let's say a McLaren F1 back in the days ... this is over.

No offense but none of this makes any sense and it reads like contrived BS. It’s like someone trying so hard to find any reason to not like a car. You’re saying the same nonsense about compromise like everyone else who has said something similar. I mean again why don’t we all just strap a rocket booster to our existing cars. That’s would be far cheaper, less complex too. I mean I really care about politics or the direction of Motorsport when I look at sports cars too. Makes them better or relevant or less flawed for sure.

M

 

[manuelf]

No offense but none of this makes any sense and it reads like contrived BS

Are you kidding me? You start with "no offense" and then the rest is a direct insult to me? Wow. Ok, this thread is your arena. It seems, if someone isn't in awe of this AMG One project he should get better out of here.

 

[Merc1]

Are you kidding me? You start with "no offense" and then the rest is a direct insult to me? Wow. Ok, this thread is your arena. It seems, if someone isn't in awe of this AMG One project he should get better out of here.

I simply don’t understand why all this extraneous bs is being attached to THIS car in particular. I didn’t say anything about anyone being not in awe about this car, it doesn’t even get the basic respect here that 12K Fiat does. All this about cost and compromise is BS because it’s never brought up about another other hypercar but this one.

M

 

[manuelf]

because it’s never brought up about another other hypercar but this one.

With respect to me, this is simply not true! Some further posts above, I made basically the same comment/criticism to the Valkyrie! And since there are currently only those two uttermost extreme hypercars (GMA T50 is a different bread) this is fair/unbiased! The only added AMG One specific criticism I do have against this flawed F1 engine/motor spinoff (which by the way almost killed the entire project) And I had sensible arguments for that! In this respect I do favor the Valkyrie engine concept.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

No offense but none of this makes any sense and it reads like contrived BS. It’s like someone trying so hard to find any reason to not like a car. You’re saying the same nonsense about compromise like everyone else who has said something similar. I mean again why don’t we all just strap a rocket booster to our existing cars. That’s would be far cheaper, less complex too. I mean I really care about politics or the direction of Motorsport when I look at sports cars too. Makes them better or relevant or less flawed for sure.

M

It makes all the sense in the world..! If my english was as good as Manuelf’s I could have written excactly the same myself.
It IS possible to have mixed feelings about a car. The world is not black and white. There is no need to take it personal that someone is critizing your favourite brand.
What you are writing is pure authentic BS. And by the way; no offense….

 

[Merc1]

It makes all the sense in the world..! If my english was as good as Manuelf’s I could have written excactly the same myself.
It IS possible to have mixed feelings about a car. The world is not black and white. There is no need to take it personal that someone is critizing your favourite brand.
What you are writing is pure authentic BS. And by the way; no offense….

Yeah and your “me too” response is bullshit too. Genuine bullshit because it adds nothing. This has nothing to do with the Mercedes brand for me, but I suspect that is exactly the reason for a lot of the bs from most of the haters here. If this was Porsche or better yet BMW you all would be acting like Jesus himself created this car. Just a bunch of bullshit hypocrites.


M

 

[Merc1]

With respect to me, this is simply not true! Some further posts above, I made basically the same comment/criticism to the Valkyrie! And since there are currently only those two uttermost extreme hypercars (GMA T50 is a different bread) this is fair/unbiased! The only added AMG One specific criticism I do have against this flawed F1 engine/motor spinoff (which by the way almost killed the entire project) And I had sensible arguments for that! In this respect I do favor the Valkyrie engine concept.

Yeah let’s agree to disagree. I wasn’t aware that all hypercars had to adhere to a specific engine type. I just don’t get the criticism when this type of effort is being put into a road car. Shame on Mercedes for not sticking to the usual power sources.

M

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

What is wrong with this project? It's like your house is on fire but you continue to assemble the new wardrobe in the living room. Wrong priorities.

 

[Sunny]

Mercedes AMG ONE is delayed to 1Q 2022

Mercedes AMG ONE verzögert sich auf 1Q 2022

Der über 1.000 PS starke Mercedes AMG ONE verzögert sich erneut und die Auslieferungen an die Kunden wurden auf das 1. Quartal 2022 datiert

jesmb.de

Did anyone actually read this?

In addition to the normal 12 volt electrical system, the hybrid racer is also equipped with an 800 volt electrical system for the 4 electric motors (3 * 163 hp + 122 hp on the turbocharger (MGU-H). Now a third electrical system with 48 volts has been added. It is used solely for exhaust aftertreatment. To start the Formula 1 engine, the catalytic converter has to be preheated. There is also a fan and 16 heating disks with a total of 16 kW of power. So you have to wait a bit before starting the engine or drive off electrically (25 km range) .

If not anything, you got to admire Mercedes for the perseverance. The complexity is astounding. It is a fitting end to sheer engineering behind the ICE era, where you have to keep doubling down on the complexity with every passing generation to make a device fundamentally flawed at producing motive force viable. It is even poetic it is coming from Mercedes - to bookend the ICE era. As an enthusiast, I am glad it exists. If I was a shareholder, I would be not pleased.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

My god if there ever was a thread on GCF riddled with BS and hyperbole.

 

[Eng.ahad]

Did anyone actually read this?


If not anything, you got to admire Mercedes for the perseverance. The complexity is astounding. It is a fitting end to sheer engineering behind the ICE era, where you have to keep doubling down on the complexity with every passing generation to make a device fundamentally flawed at producing motive force viable. It is even poetic it is coming from Mercedes - to bookend the ICE era. As an enthusiast, I am glad it exists. If I was a shareholder, I would be not pleased.

I agree with most of what you said, however the complexity has increased due to ''Regulations'' as MB cannot meat most of them with F1 hybrid engine.

I also admire MB for sticking to their word about this car, I even suspect that the car will be sold with big losses due to the on going of R&D cost increase.

Lastly, this car moslty will be a dissapointment when it comes to performance by the time it arrives, and usability will be very difficult. Owners shall treasure it in their garages.

 

[Sunny]

however the complexity has increased due to ''Regulations''

In a narrow sense, yes. But taking a step back, the complexity arises out of ICE's inherent inefficiency at converting stored potential energy into kinetic energy. If ICE was 90% efficient at accomplishing this instead of 30, it would pass all the emission regulations with flying colors. But it is not, so you have to add complexity to try overcome it. Almost every development you see in ICE in the last 3 decades is probably aimed at overcoming this inefficiency - be it direct injection to ECUs to MGU-H. And it still falls far short cause of the fundamental nature of ICE.

 

[Eng.ahad]

In a narrow sense, yes. But taking a step back, the complexity arises out of ICE's inherent inefficiency at converting stored potential energy into kinetic energy. If ICE was 90% efficient at accomplishing this instead of 30, it would pass all the emission regulations with flying colors. But it is not, so you have to add complexity to try overcome it. Almost every development you see in ICE in the last 3 decades is probably aimed at overcoming this inefficiency - be it direct injection to ECUs to MGU-H. And it still falls far short cause of the fundamental nature of ICE.

Well, Carnot cycle was never that efficent to begin with, unless you control the losses. Air conditioning which is basicly revresed carnot cycle sufferce the same, but ICE has more overall heat loses specially escaping from the exhaust.

Regardless, you cant deny that ICE fuel at current stage is still the most verstile way to run the car, but I'm sure that at some point it will be not anymore, and I feel with the current EV progress it very soon.