GT (C190) [Official] Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series


The Mercedes-AMG GT (C190) is the first generation 2-door sports cars produced by Mercedes-AMG. Body styles: C190 (coupé), R190 (roadster). It is succedeed by the Mercedes-AMG GT (C192) - coupé, and the Mercedes-AMG SL-Class (R232) - roadster. Production: October 2014 – September 2022; 2021–2023 (AMG GT Black Series; 2022 (AMG GT Track Series; Limited 55 units).
I remember that Gebhardt had 675LT twice in test. First time it didn't leave such a good impression. Next time it did. It was lighter and faster than first example and he gave it a much bigger praise overall.
Yeah, the weight figure seemed kind of off compared to what customers have measured. Certainly though, if it gets 3 times like this, I will rate it an F-.

Amazing that the BS is almost 5s quicker than the Pro though. Even allowing 2-3s for the tyres, that's still impressive.
 
The car looks very well set up, with nicely sorted suspension. And what a sublime drive! (Although, as always, whether the car is anywhere close to production spec is another question.)

The new Huracan STO could probably go faster, but then the Merc could probably go faster also considering the damp conditions. I can see a renewal of Nurburgring manufacturer hostilities in the future. :sneaky:
 
......................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS MR: 6:40.33
...Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 6:43.62 (20.6Km) (fastest stock car)
.................Lamborghini Aventador SVJ: 6:44.97
...............................Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS: 6:47.30
....Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series: 6:48.05 (20.831Km)
..Lamborghini Huracán Performante: 6:52.01
...............................Porsche 991.2 GT3 RS: 6:56.40
...................................Porsche 918 Spyder: 6:57.00
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 6:59.73

All other lap times are for 20.6Km. So about 4.5s difference.
 
Super impressive given the damp conditions. No doubt there would be an improvement of a few more seconds in dry conditions :thumbsup2:
 
The car looks very well set up, with nicely sorted suspension. And what a sublime drive! (Although, as always, whether the car is anywhere close to production spec is another question.)

The new Huracan STO could probably go faster, but then the Merc could probably go faster also considering the damp conditions. I can see a renewal of Nurburgring manufacturer hostilities in the future. :sneaky:

It’s 100% stock. Mercedes actually disclosed the tires and suspension settings for the run which isn’t any different than what is available to the customer.
 
So I guess it's safe to say that the the AMG GT Black Series is the fastest car on a wet Nürburgring. Impressive considering it's rear wheel drive only. Eat your heart out Audi!
 
It would be incredible if Lamborghini surprised everyone today with a Ring record too, but I don't think they tested the Huracan STO around the Ring yet.

Impressive results for the AMG GT BS though. Congrats to Merc and the AMG team!
 
Impressive! Can someone please explain me how a front engined car can have the lap record at the ring? Corvette switched to mid-engined configuration because it was not possible to get the power down effectively with the engine in front. It doesn’t seem like Mercedes has this problem....?
 
Audi. They are always touting their Quattro superiority in the wet and they got beaten at their own game by a rear wheel drive Mercedes.

I don't think that's a fair comparison cause Audi is never really going to compete at the ring nor ever attempt to throw the kitchen sink at either a full blown sports or luxury vehicle due to VAG's internal hierarchy. So, I like to imagine that Porsche and Lamborghini as VAG's true sports extension, in this area.
 
It’s 100% stock. Mercedes actually disclosed the tires and suspension settings for the run which isn’t any different than what is available to the customer.
Oh yeah? And did they put the car on a jig to find out if the suspension geometry is the same? Did they put it on a dyno to find out if the power is the same? Did they weigh it to find out if the weight is the same? No? Then we really don't know anything.
Impressive! Can someone please explain me how a front engined car can have the lap record at the ring? Corvette switched to mid-engined configuration because it was not possible to get the power down effectively with the engine in front. It doesn’t seem like Mercedes has this problem....?
The Merc is effectively front-mid engined. And as far as getting the power down, yeah, there is a limitation there - the acceleration figures for the GT BS are nothing special after all - but on the Nurburgring there aren't that many slow corners where you would be massively traction limited. Where the engine sits isn't really all that important when we are talking road cars. Or even GT3 type race cars. The Corvettes and Vipers have had many race wins with their front engined cars... and Porsche has had many wins with their rear engined cars, all beating mid engined Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Audis. Once you get to F1, then yeah, the packaging, weight, weight distribution and inertia advantages become very apparent, but otherwise the engine position doesn't really matter that much as far as circuit lap times go.

As far as my non-expert eye can see, the Merc's biggest strength on that lap was how undisturbed the car was through all the corners. Just nice, even cornering with no lateral acceleration spikes. Which points to me to a very well sorted suspension that was able to max out the available grip. So the cornering speeds were pretty high even though the car is so heavy. The car also turns in very nicely without oversteering - again pointing to a very well done setup.
 
Impressive! Can someone please explain me how a front engined car can have the lap record at the ring? Corvette switched to mid-engined configuration because it was not possible to get the power down effectively with the engine in front. It doesn’t seem like Mercedes has this problem....?

I'd second what @Bridster said. More weight over the driven wheels helps with traction, but it's not the only factor at play, and less so on a flying lap of a high speed circuit. In a street car where typical use dictates average speeds are much much slower (i.e. addition of aero forces are much much less) and there are far more occurrences of pulling away from standstill, having the weight over the back will help a bog standard C8 with traction compared to a C7 (in theory).
 
I don't think that's a fair comparison cause Audi is never really going to compete at the ring nor ever attempt to throw the kitchen sink at either a full blown sports or luxury vehicle due to VAG's internal hierarchy. So, I like to imagine that Porsche and Lamborghini as VAG's true sports extension, in this area.

So I guess it's not a case of "This is what happens when you don't have Quattro" but a case of "This is what happens when you're not Porsche or Lamborghini".
 
Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series is fastest series production car on the Nürburgring-Nordschleife: Maro Engel drives a notarized record lap in the AMG GT Black Series
-2&fdRnr=-1&prRnr=-1&thumbnailVersion=3&quality=-1.jpg

18.

November 2020
Affalterbach/Adenau
Press Contact (3)
Affalterbach/Adenau. How close the new Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series (fuel consumption combined: 12.8 l/100 km; CO2 emissions combined: 292 g/km)[1] actually is to motorsport has now been impressively demonstrated by GT3 racer Maro Engel on the Nordschleife of the Nürburgring. With an officially measured and notarized certified time of 6:43,616 min for the 20.6 kilometre-long track (measured without the straight at track section T13) and 6:48,047 min for the 20.832 kilometre-long total track (measured with the straight at track section T13), the new V8 meteor is placed in the top group of the street-legal “sports cars” category and number one among the fully standard, unmodified models.

Maro Engel made full use of all the possibilities offered by the new Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series as standard: such as the most powerful AMG V8 series engine ever with 537 kW (730 hp), the sophisticated aerodynamics and extensive suspension adjustment options. For example, the front splitter made of visible carbon fibre was extended to the “Race” position, and the lower and upper wing blades of the rear spoiler were each adjusted in the middle position. The adjustable AMG coilover suspension with adaptive adjustment damping was lowered by five millimetres at the front and three millimetres at the rear to further enhance the venturi effect of the front diffuser. The camber was adjusted to the maximum possible values of negative 3.8 degrees at the front axle and negative 3.0 degrees at the rear. In the case of the adjustable anti-roll bars, racing professional Engel opted for the hardest of the three possible settings, and the 35-year-old adjusted the nine-stage AMG traction control between positions six and seven -depending on the section of the track. AMG GT Black Series customers can also take advantage of all these settings and variations.
This also applies to the MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 R MO tyres with “soft compound,” which are completely standard equipment and were developed in collaboration with development partner Michelin especially for the top sports car in the AMG GT series. The highest possible level of safety was ensured not only by the standard AMG ceramic high-performance composite brake system, but also by the Track Package with rollover protection system and four-point safety belts offered as standard equipment.
“That was a really impressive ride,” said Maro Engel after completing the record lap. “With speeds of up to almost 270 km/h in the Kesselchen section of the track or well over 300 km/h on the long Döttinger Höhe straight, the AMG GT Black Series is significantly faster than my GT3 race car. To finally drive around the Nordschleife in 6:48.047 minutes with a production road car in these track conditions is really awesome. Like my GT3 race car, the AMG GT Black Series offers a lot of adjustment possibilities, all of which enabled me to create a setup that was tailor-made for me.”
Also in terms of aerodynamic efficiency, the Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series takes a great deal from the race car. A direct derivation from motorsport, for example, is the carbon-fibre hood with two large exhaust outlets. These specifically guide the warm air that flows from the slanted radiator setup out of the engine compartment. This increases overall downforce, as does the sophisticated rear wing concept and the largely enclosed underbody.
“It's really impressive how much downforce the Black Series generates and how confident and reliable it can be driven, even at the absolute limit. My hat is off to the developers from Affalterbach for what they have put on wheels here. And I'm very pleased that I was able to demonstrate these fascinating engineering skills with this great lap time,” said Engel.
Just as they were for AMG development engineer Demian Schaffert, who set a new lap record with the Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4MATIC+ (fuel consumption combined: 12.5 l/100 km; CO2 emissions combined: 286 g/km)1 on the same day, the conditions were not quite ideal for Maro Engel either. Because when the GT3 professional drove through the light gate of the timing system on November 4, 2020 at 5:02 p.m., not only were 20.832 kilometres of Green Hell behind him in the dim light – the GT3 professional also set the fastest time at an outside temperature of seven degrees Celsius and ten degrees Celsius on the asphalt. In addition, some passages of the extremely demanding track were not yet totally dry.
The fast lap times were precisely measured by neutral experts from “wige SOLUTIONS”. An independent notary also certified the condition of the vehicle as well as the measurements. The spectacular drive can be watched on a video here:
http://amg4.me/GT_BS_ring_lap
Background:
Why there are two differently timed laps on the Nürburgring-Nordschleife

The Nürburgring-Nordschleife is regarded as the most difficult racetrack in the world and is included in every new development by Mercedes-AMG. A record lap is therefore the most demanding test of the qualities of a sports car. The times are determined for two track alternatives – 20.6 and 20.832 kilometres long.
Since 1997, the 20.6-kilometre circuit has been the measure of all things. The specialist magazine sport auto from the Motor Presse Stuttgart publishing house drives this circuit as part of their so-called “Supertest”. For historical reasons, the short straight at the T13 grandstand – from the turnoff from the Nordschleife to the Grand Prix circuit to the exit of the Grand Prix circuit onto the Nordschleife – was not included in the timing. The starting line is therefore at the end of the T13 grandstand in a northerly direction and the finish line is at the beginning of the T13 grandstand in a southerly direction. Therefore, no complete lap is measured after the flying start. The total length of the course is exactly 20.6 kilometres.
In 2019 the official Nürburgring lap was added. It was organised by the operating company “Nürburgring 1927 GmbH & Co. KG” and is 232 metres longer, because the start and finish line are identical here, also on the T13 section, so a full Nordschleife lap of 20.832 kilometres is driven and measured with a flying start.
Numerous conditions must be met for both record times to be recognised: In addition to timekeeping with calibrated photoelectric sensor technology, official record attempts and attempts to achieve a lap time are always accompanied by a notary. In addition to monitoring the timekeeping, the vehicles and the tires are also inspected and approved by the notary. The classification of the vehicle classes is based on the official categories of the German Federal Motor Transport Authority (“Kraftfahrtbundesamt” KBA).
The data at a glance
Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series
Engine4.0L V8 biturbo
Displacement3,982 cm3
Power537 kW (730 PS) at 6,700-6,900/min
Max. torque800 Nm at 2,000-6,000/min
Drive systemRear-wheel drive
TransmissionAMG SPEEDSHIFT DCT 7G
Fuel consumption combined12.8 l/100 km*
CO2 emissions combined292 g/km
Efficiency classG
Acceleration 0-100 km/h3.2 s
Top speed325 km/h
*The stated values were determined according to the prescribed measuring method. These are the NEDC CO2 values as defined by Art. 2 No. 1 of the Implementing Regulation (EU) 2017/1153. The fuel consumption values were calculated on the basis of these values.
[1] The stated values were determined according to the prescribed measuring method. These are the NEDC CO2 values as defined in Art. 2 No. 1 of the Implementing Regulation (EU) 2017/1153. The fuel consumption values were calculated on the basis of these values.

Source: Daimler Press Release
 
Oh yeah? And did they put the car on a jig to find out if the suspension geometry is the same? Did they put it on a dyno to find out if the power is the same? Did they weigh it to find out if the weight is the same? No? Then we really don't know anything.

The Merc is effectively front-mid engined. And as far as getting the power down, yeah, there is a limitation there - the acceleration figures for the GT BS are nothing special after all - but on the Nurburgring there aren't that many slow corners where you would be massively traction limited. Where the engine sits isn't really all that important when we are talking road cars. Or even GT3 type race cars. The Corvettes and Vipers have had many race wins with their front engined cars... and Porsche has had many wins with their rear engined cars, all beating mid engined Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Audis. Once you get to F1, then yeah, the packaging, weight, weight distribution and inertia advantages become very apparent, but otherwise the engine position doesn't really matter that much as far as circuit lap times go.

As far as my non-expert eye can see, the Merc's biggest strength on that lap was how undisturbed the car was through all the corners. Just nice, even cornering with no lateral acceleration spikes. Which points to me to a very well sorted suspension that was able to max out the available grip. So the cornering speeds were pretty high even though the car is so heavy. The car also turns in very nicely without oversteering - again pointing to a very well done setup.
So I guess they switched to mid-engined configuration mainly to improve quarter mile runs which they love in US....
 
So I guess it's not a case of "This is what happens when you don't have Quattro" but a case of "This is what happens when you're not Porsche or Lamborghini".

Basically, yes. Audi will never be allowed to give their best because of internal sales cannibalization. I mean, when was the last time Audi really had a go at anything? Take the rs6 and rs7. Amazing design, but is just behind in performance and every model of theirs is always less responsive than the respective Porsche.

This carries over to the motorsport sector as well. Yes dieselgate happened, but do you think VAG would ever let Audi take out Porsche's record at Le Mans?

I am a bit saddened by it and sometimes wish that Porsche was never part of VAG (mind you that I like Porsche very much), but at the end of the day its just how the business is structured.
 

Mercedes-AMG

Mercedes-AMG GmbH, commonly known as AMG (Aufrecht, Melcher, Großaspach), is the high-performance subsidiary of Mercedes-Benz AG. AMG independently hires engineers and contracts with manufacturers to customize Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles. The company has its headquarters in Affalterbach, Baden-Württemberg, Germany.
Official website: Mercedes-AMG

Trending content


Back
Top