C-Class [Official] Mercedes-AMG C63

[Rolf]

I have taken some screen shot from the website. First impression, not as aggressive and muscular than the W204. I was hoping to see some variation of the current AMG front bumper design too but apparently not.

It looks good but not great, they should have flared the wheelarches a bit like the previous model then it would have looked more aggressive and looking at the front for instance except for the front bumper it's not much different to the standard C-class AMG edition. It has a great steering wheel the second picture with the red stitching and red carbon fibre look center console looks really nice.

 

[fortuner]

I love it...Yap it's not looking as aggressive as the W204 63 which I had and miss....This looks more classy yet I think it looks AMG and looks a monster but not as wild as the previous Gen AMG...I look forward to drive this...I know I would love one...Wonder how it drives and SOUNDS....

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

It looks very classy, I agree. Can't wait to hear reviews on how the car drives and sounds. The S comes with active engine mounts, so that should help significantly.

I can't wait until I can put my stupid order in!!!!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I've prepared this table comparing the old and new C 63 AMG with the Audi RS 4 Avant (B8) and BMW M3 (F80).

EDIT: Clearly the data on the MB website is wrong, so I will do another comparison table and post it later

 

[Rolf]

Did you guys notice that the C63 has its badge number on the right side of the boot and the AMG badge is on left side? Different to other AMG models

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Standard 476hp/650 nm
S-version 503 hp/700 nm

It's 476hp and 510hp.


Interestingly, it seems ALL the AMG products will be referred to as "Mercedes-AMG" from now on. I assumed it was just the AMG GT in order to recognise the impact the performance division had in its development.

 

[Merc1]

First they cut Benz out of the company name, and now this. What do they have against the "Benz" name?

Anyway, this is more or less what I thought it would be. It's very nice, but I need to see some pretty press pics and read more on it.

I can already write the press reviews myself. Better handling than before, knockout interior, but hobbled by too much weight and a outdated gearbox. Watch and see.

M

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Did you guys notice that the C63 has its badge number on the right side of the boot and the AMG badge is on left side? Different to other AMG models

Expect the GT.

It appears Mercedes-Benz will refer to AMG models as "Mercedes-AMG XXX", as opposed to "Mercedes-Benz XXX AMG". For example, we still have the "Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG", but we now have the "Mercedes-AMG GT" and the "Mercedes-AMG C 63".


Therefore the "AMG" badge has moved from the right side of the rear to the left side.

 

[Rolf]

I've prepared this table comparing the old and new C 63 AMG with the Audi RS 4 Avant (B8) and BMW M3 (F80).

Hey Betty have a look at the AMS website and this is now interesting the figures you have put above is for the T-model!! Seems like the Mercedes website is incorrect. The saloon C63 does 4.1sec and C63 S does 4.0sec!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Hey Betty have a look at the AMS website and this is now interesting the figures you have put above is for the T-model!! Seems like the Mercedes website is incorrect. The saloon C63 does 4.1sec and C63 S does 4.0sec!

Interesting. I will wait a short while and then edit my post or add another data table. To be honest, this doesn't surprise me. There are many errors on the MB website for lots of their models.

 

[Merc1]

Regarding curb weights, Mercedes defines the listed curb weight with 90% fuel, one driver (68 kg) and luggage (7 kg)

"[5] data (filled curb weight with fuel tank 90 percent full, driver, 68 kg, and luggage, 7 kg) for curb weight according to Directive 92/21 / EC, version 95/48 / EC for vehicles with standard specification . Optional extras and accessories will generally increase as a rule this figure and reduce the payload capacity accordingly."

Take the listed curb weights and subtract the driver weight (68 kg / 150 lbs) and luggage weight (7 kg / 15.5 lbs) and the specs are:

C63 (90% fuel, 68kg driver, 7kg luggage): 1785 KG / 3935 lbs
C63 (90% fuel, no driver or luggage): 1710 KG / 3770 lbs

C63 S (90% fuel, 68kg driver, 7kg luggage): 1800 KG / 3968
C63 S (90% fuel, no driver or luggage): 1725 KG / 3803 lbs

Just saw this on another site. Not as heavy as I thought if this is accurate.

M

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Just saw this on another site. Not as heavy as I thought if this is accurate.

M

That depends. Those figures you quote might be for the Wagon. If they really ARE for the sedan, then it's 55kg HEAVIER than the previous model.

 

[DJRaze99]

I am not taking this table seriously, even given dimensions for C 63 AMG are identical like for the ordinary version...

 

[Amat46]

Need to see the official pics and some videos

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I am not taking this table seriously, even given dimensions for C 63 AMG are identical like for the ordinary version...

That's because the Mercedes-Benz website lists the dimensions of the AMG models as the same as the standard models. Likely they are not, but my table can only be as good as the input I get from the official websites.

I have created this table in my own time and 99% of it is accurate.

 

[DJRaze99]

 

[JLBM]

I spy a column shifter?

Not complaining, but AMG seemingly won't give up with the MCT Gearbox.

It's not a bad gearbox at all - very quick changes

 

[Sunny]

Like I suspected earlier, the larger torque figure than even AMG GT is probably warranted by being much more porkier. Compared to M3/4, it is 400+ lbs heavier. Also like traditional AMG, the car has relatively skinnier rubber compared to the competition - should be more sideways fun, but probably not best for lateral grip. It is also curious that it is more efficient than the M3/4 despite being so much more heavier and having a bigger engine. I suspect the gearing is probably very tall.

As for looks, the boy racer red paint and graphics is silly on an executive sedan, but I am guessing they are optional.

 

[DJRaze99]

The all-new Mercedes C63 is here! Only it isn't, because it's now called the Mercedes-AMG C63, in keeping with the new naming convention introduced with the Mercedes-AMG GT with which it shares its 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 engine.

Dan's putting in his long-termer request now...
BMW's M3 had best have enjoyed its brief moment in the sun too because with the arrival of the new C63 we've got an all new instalment of the long-running power war between M GmbH and AMG. We'll get to that shortly though; first up some highlights of the new C63.

Good news includes two power outputs - standard 476hp/479lb ft and 510hp/516lb ft S - and fuel consumption improved by almost a third. Downsizing (it's all relative) from 6.2 litres to 4.0 litres and a weight saving of 90kg over the outgoing W204 C63 play their part here, a coasting function in the updated MCT seven-speed auto also helping. It all means most un-AMG like efficiency numbers of 34.5mpg and 192g/km, figures even the most ardent fan of the outgoing M156 normally aspirated V8 can't ignore. There's a lot more tech than before too, from standard Porsche-style active engine mounts to optional ceramic brake discs. Joy of joys a mechanical limited-slip diff is now standard on the C63 too, the S getting a fancier electronically controlled locking diff.

63 is just a badge; turbos make up the numbers
Bad news? Well, even AMG hasn't been able to escape the trend for 'have it your way' configurability, abandoning the endearing simplicity of the outgoing C63 and getting a multi-mode AMG Dynamic Select system with an influence on everything from steering weighting to damper settings and even how much noise you get from the exhaust system. You get three standard modes, plus an individual one with the S getting its own 'Race' mode too. Predictably the steering is electrically assisted too but at least AMG boss Tobias Moers has been able to assert his taste for linear steering racks and ditched the variable ratio one of the standard C-Class. Looks are subjective too but some may miss the hard-edged brutalism of the outgoing car, the current swoopy Mercedes design language bulked out with 14mm extra metal in the front wings, a reprofiled front bumper that juts out 54mm further than the standard car's and the expected quartet of square-cut exhausts at the back. Oh, and you can get it as a wagon but it weighs an additional 70kg.

Estate has an easier task; saloon faces M3
Ready for some more numbers? Brace yourself... Given that all the C63 owners quizzed in our recent meet put the engine at the top of their 'loves' list we'd best kick off with the new V8. A wet-sumped version of the M178 engine in the GT it gets its own designation of M177 but shares the direct piezo injection, 'hot-V' configuration and basic architecture. Like for like in the GT and SLS the new engine actually weighs 5kg more than the normally aspirated 6.2, the new car's weight saving coming from structural use of aluminium. Its power delivery promises to be very different from the old engine though, peak torque coming in at 1,750rpm rather than 5,000rpm like the normally aspirated V8. So no more traffic light embarrassments at the hands of diesel drivers then. The sole transmission choice remains AMG's quirky automatic gearbox/wet clutch 'hybrid' with, it's promised, crisper shifting than before.

Traditional AMG power advantage? Maintained
Off the line the 0-62 times are pretty close across all versions, the S saloon managing the best at 4.0 seconds, a four tenths improvement over the old car's best. All versions are limited to 155mph but these numbers tell only half the story - mid-range thump should be night and day different from the old engine, which could take some time to reach its admittedly epic stride. Indeed, AMG has actually tuned the new V8 to be significantly more torquey in the C63 than the GT.

Suspension gets widened front track and more camber at the rear and the promise of specific AMG components therein; whether the changes are as extensive as those achieved by M over the standard 3 and 4 Series will be a question to be asked along the way but the under-bonnet shot shows some significant bracing from the suspension turrets to the firewall.

Interior is dramatic compared with staid predecessor
That M3/C63 twin test is some way off yet of course but it's impossible to resist a few on-paper comparisons. M fans can assume the moral high ground of less weight - 95kg less like for like if you compare an M DCT saloon with a C63 saloon and more if you go for a manual - and that extensive additional bracing plus fancy suspension components. Whether you opt for the manual or twin-clutch auto both BMW gearbox options would seem to be more in keeping with purist tastes too.

As is traditional the AMG absolutely thumps the M3 on outright grunt though, the fact both horsepower and torque figures start with a '5' on the S version an astonishing escalation in small saloon bragging rights. Given the mixed reception to the M's blown six cylinder engine AMG's V8, turbocharged or not, retains its magnetic attraction and charismatic soundtrack. Whether there are brains to match the brawn will be revealed when we drive it but for all the philosophical differences M and AMG are as close as they've ever been on paper.

Is 510hp enough to appease purists? Soon see...
We're hoping to chat with Moers at the Paris show next week so expect more on the car then. Orders open shortly and the first UK cars - standard and S saloons - are expected in late February to early March with the estate coming in April. And, yes, we're already lobbying for a long-termer...


MERCEDES-AMG C63/C63 S SALOON
Engine: 3,982cc twin-turbo V8
Transmission: 7-speed auto with lock-up clutch (MCT), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 476@5,500rpm/510@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 479@1,750-4,500rpm/516@1,750-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.1sec/4.0sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,715kg/1,730kg (EU, with 75 kg driver/luggage)
MPG: 34.5mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 192g/km
Price: TBC

MERCEDES-AMG C63/C63 S ESTATE
Engine: 3,982cc twin-turbo V8
Transmission: 7-speed auto with lock-up clutch (MCT), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 476@5,500rpm/510@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 479@1,750-4,500rpm/516@1,750-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.2sec/4.1sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,785kg/1,800kg (EU, with 75 kg driver/luggage)
MPG: 33.6mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 196g/km
Price: TBC

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

That interior....