12C [Official] McLaren MP4-12C

[DeDe]

thank you so much
the last time I wrote "optimal conditions", I've been lynched

This is what the author said.

 

[Mafalda]

This is what the author said.

I was 100% sure about it, don't worry
any mention about why just 1 hotlap, future full test and or comparos?

 

[DeDe]

I was 100% sure about it, don't worry
any mention about future full test and or compars?

Supertest in the next issue.
And I hope the Macca will attend in their upcoming 0-300-0 km/h comparo as well.

 

[Mafalda]

Supertest in the next issue.
And I hope the Macca will attend in their upcoming 0-300-0 km/h comparo as well.

cannot wait!

 

[emve]

Looks like quite a few nice tests featuring MP4-12C coming soon. Supertest, Italian Quattroruote and Auto. Right, Mafalda ?

 

[Mafalda]

Looks like quite a few nice tests featuring MP4-12C coming soon. Supertest, Italian Quattroruote and Auto. Right, Mafalda ?

jajaajajajajajajaja
Sport Auto: mid October
Auto: I think mid december
QR: or..... next saturday 24th , or end october
and don't forget, about QR, it'll be the most impressive full comparo of the year, surely aganist the Aventador , and more supercars (458?, LFA? GTR?, GTx RS?)

 

[Levi68]

Are we then at last going to get a N-Ring laptime for the MP4-12C? The Sportauto laptime for the 458 Italia was 7.38 min, as fast as SLS AMG and LF-A. I think the best recorded laptime for the 458 Italia was 7:32 min by some independant. Will the MP4-12C beat the LF-A N-Ring Edition and 911 GT2 RS laptime? I still expect something under around 7:15 min. I wish it come out this way.

 

[Mafalda]

Are we then at last going to get a N-Ring laptime for the MP4-12C? The Sportauto laptime for the 458 Italia was 7.38 min, as fast as SLS AMG and LF-A. I think the best recorded laptime for the 458 Italia was 7:32 min by some independant. Will the MP4-12C beat the LF-A N-Ring Edition and 911 GT2 RS laptime? I still expect something under around 7:15 min. I wish it come out this way.

Sport Auto did (HvS), about the 458, a quite-bad 7.38, AutoBild (S. Bert) did 7.32.9 on 20.8 km and passenger
surely the MP4
the mp4'll smash easly 7.38 , I think I'd pay for a full comparo @ ?Ring Mp4 Vs 458 MY11 with S. Bert.
about teh others (LF-A, GT2 RS etc) please don't compare magazine-laptimes Vs officials

 

[Mafalda]

Sport Auto did (HvS), about the 458, a quite-bad 7.38, AutoBild (S. Bert) did 7.32.9 on 20.8 km and passenger
surely the MP4
the mp4'll smash easly 7.38 , I think I'd pay for a full comparo @ ?Ring Mp4 Vs 458 MY11 with S. Bert.
about teh others (LF-A, GT2 RS etc) please don't compare magazine-laptimes Vs officials

QR's supertest not avaible this iussue
see you:
October 15th: Auto - GT-R 530ps and Aston Martin V12(for sure)
end October: QR - Supercomparo (99.9%)
November 15th: Auto - Aventador (Maybe)
Devember 15th: Auto - Mp4-12C (maybe)

 

[Soup]

McLaren slows MP4-12C production for fixes - Autoweek

McLaren slows MP4-12C production for fixes

British supercar maker McLaren has slowed production of the MP4-12C because of quality issues. The company says the problems are not safety- or performance-related.

"There are no safety concerns for the delay," Tony Joseph, director of McLaren North America, told Autoweek. "We've had some quality-related issues in a few cars we wanted to address before we continue to deliver customer cars."

Joseph refuted Internet reports of McLaren MP4-12C performance and safety issues. He said that the primary problems were minor, such as condensation in the headlamps, door operation and a battery-draining issue.

"We believe the battery issue is coming from the electrical head unit, which appears to not be shutting off," he said.

A temporary fix is being used. Locking the car door shuts down the car's electronics to prevent the battery from draining.

Not every McLaren MP4-12C delivered--59 throughout Europe--has been affected by the problems.

Joseph said that McLaren has been handling the issues on a case-by-case basis, sending repair people out from dealerships.

There are 179 MP4-12Cs ordered for North America. Factory shipments of those cars might be delayed by two or three weeks.

"We want to make sure we deliver a proper product to our customers," Joseph said. "And I would rather delay getting them in customers' hands by a couple of weeks if I can ensure a better product."

McLaren dealers in the United States are still expected to receive demonstration vehicles on schedule.

 

[Soup]

Is the McLaren MP4-12C a lemon?

Is the McLaren MP4-12C a lemon?



The McLaren MP4-12C has won nothing but plaudits from those who've been fortunate enough to drive one. Among those fortunate enough to pay at least $230,000 for one, there's a different story emerging — about broken parts, defective doors and unkept promises from the factory.

The early success of the MP4-12C has McLaren chief Ron Dennis talking about turning the boutique British company into a billion-dollar enterprise, with two additional models and a healthy expansion into Asia. Just today, Dennis said McLaren hopes to eventually build 4,000 cars a year with a steady waiting list of about a year's worth of business. The wait for a MP4-12C right now is two years, which Dennis called simply "not good."

Here's one reason why.

The photo below shows a McLaren service center in England last week with at least three MP4-12CS present for a repair to their door-opening mechanisms. It's a bugaboo that McLaren is reportedly ordering to every MP4-12C built so far after several reports of the scissor doors failing in wet conditions and problems with the touch-sensor opening.

If that was the only issue, there wouldn't be much hubbub. But its not.

Is the McLaren MP4-12C a lemon?
Several McLaren owners have reported a cornucopia of other problems, including the vehicle immobilizer, brake hoses, navigation systems that won't work and even defective glass seals around the engine cover. One British owner detailed a Lucas-esque level of electrical gremlins: a screen stuck on Feb. 23 in September, telling him his next service was due in 26,000 days, leaving the radio on five minutes after the car had been parked and warning him three of his tires had been punctured:

None of these in isolation is a big deal but together, well it's just unfinished. I have to say Mclaren have been very good and have already been out to me twice to repair a couple of other problems. I understand a fix for all of these things should be available in the next couple of weeks. I am however expecting it to be flawless once it has been done.

Other would-be McLaren drivers are not so patient, especially with the defects apparently causing backups at the factory, pushing delivery dates back:

Would have been nice to have got mine but in the end I just couldn't put up with the endless broken promises of delivery dates, non information, misinformation and people not contacting me when asked to, final straw was they started bumping cars ahead of mine on what appeared to be a 'who shouts loudest' policy and believe me I was shouting but clearly at the wrong person. Perhaps it's for the best because if after all that had have happened bits started not working then I think I'd have driven it through the front of the showroom!

Which, according to one Jalopnik tipster, has led McLaren to offer upset owners and those still waiting for their keys a special consolation package, including a free 32Gb McLaren iPod Touch, a $7,800 rebate, a free installation of the IRIS voice-controlled navigation system when it's finally ready — and, most importantly, a photograph of their car or similar signed by both Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button.

This final step shows the kind of world-beating savvy McLaren will rely on to become a billion-dollar business. The next time you get your Chevy fixed, don't leave the dealer without Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s signature on something.

 

[Mafalda]

I cannot belive it

 

[Guibo]

It's expected that a brand new car built from the ground up would have problems, but it's incredible that they'd still be having issues with the door sensor/mechanisms. Some of the journalists during the group tests were frustrated about not being able to open the doors until after a few tries, and that was many months ago. Word on various forums was that they had delayed the release date to make sure they had the 458 covered (they didn't), but I think these quality control issues are more likely the real culprit.

 

[Mafalda]

It's expected that a brand new car built from the ground up would have problems, but it's incredible that they'd still be having issues with the door sensor/mechanisms. Some of the journalists during the group tests were frustrated about not being able to open the doors until after a few tries, and that was many months ago. Word on various forums was that they had delayed the release date to make sure they had the 458 covered (they didn't), but I think these quality control issues are more likely the real culprit.

I agree

 

[Sunny]

Lol, what is with british cars and not opening doors, Lotus Evora has the same issue. But I guess it is better than spontaneous combustion or worse both - car catches fire and you are stuck inside and the door won't open!

 

[Soup]

MP4-12C photos and review/comparison

Its unfortunately a bit more than software issues. My car is currently back with McLaren with a tech from the factory looking at the numerous non-software issues, and my business partners car was collected today, along with the software faults that all cars have, his has gone back for all hardware related faults/failures and paint defects.

Whilst the car is superb to drive and be in as a driving experience, the customer satisfaction experience still leaves room for improvement, which to be fair McLaren are working on. However, with the issues our two cars have (numerous stupid software faults aside, two of which keep putting my car in limp mode) have I do sometimes wonder what their test engineers were doing for 5+ years.

It's being collected tomorrow. I did try to live with it for another week or two after I posted that I was going to sell it but the problems just got worse and more frequent. On Saturday, at different times, I was told by the computer I had 4 punctures, the airbags weren't working, the air brake wasn't working, the air brake then got stuck, and the car told me that the passenger seat belt was not fastened even though no passenger was in the car.

Provided they get rid of the car quickly and I'm not out of pocket, I am prepared to give Mclaren and the dealer another chance at a later date, but I get a very strong sense from the people I talk to there, that whilst they hope to have some fixes in the next 2-3 weeks, they are a LONG way from fixes for all of this stuff and the fact that production has now stopped highlights just how far away they are.

 

[Levi68]

Well, it is not like Ferrari had zero problems. McLaren needs some time. I just hope it will go on well.

 

[Mafalda]

Well, it is not like Ferrari had zero problems. McLaren needs some time. I just hope it will go on well.

Macca needs time? ok, delaying the production...

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

Over-promise and under-deliver.

 

[NarutoRamen]

Hey, in their defense, at least the damn cars aren't catching on fire. LOL