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Heavens no, it's overweight and a hodgepodge of other Lexus platforms. It's a terrible driving car if you're looking for the sport to match the look. Maybe this update will be better, but I doubt it will be much.
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Horrible driving? It is an incredibly fun car to toss around in turns especially with TVD with that V8 singing as long as revs are up. I have pulled over 1G instantaneous in turns with the stock super sports. I own an RCF with Carbon Fiber/TVD and I can tell, you are completely wrong. I picked it over my initial car of choice, an E92 M3 competiton package because overall it was the much better car.
The platform is incredible despite being a Frankenstein. Very stiff and balanced. Yes, it was designed from three existing pieces, but the end result is still a very coherent unibody platform. Any understeer at the limit, is induced by rather lack of front tire grip combined a conservative front camber setup. The TVD makes the car rotate a lot quicker almost eliminating all understeer. I push the car very hard and never can get it to understeer with TVD in track mode.
All in all, it is great that Toyota is recognizing the potential of this platform as a focused track car.
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There's still more A80 Supra's on the road in the UK than there is RC-F's and LC's combined... just an observation.
GT1?
GT1?
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No I'm not completely wrong, we'll have to agree to disagree. I drove it back to back with an M3 and it was awful by comparison. It just remember if feeling really heavy to drive and numb, lifeless steering and lot noise vs not much go. Just because it puts down good numbers doesn't mean it is a great drive at least to me. The car has never excelled in any way vs the competition.
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You definitely drove either a beaten up car or you did not drive it with manual/sport+. Mine was almost brand new. What you are describing, is the behavior in normal mode. It feels dull, dimwitted in normal/auto mode. In auto and normal mode, everything is dialed down drastically. I extensively drove both cars before switching my mind to the RCF.
I have owned mine for 10 months now. In sport+/manual mode, it "feels" much quicker when really revving it out than an E92 M3 if you drove it like it was supposed to. That extra 100 ft-lbs of torque is very very noticeable once you go over 4000 rpm. My major complaint with the E92 M3 was that it had absolutely no torque below 6000 rpm while the RCF has an extremely linear pull from 4000 rpm to nearly 7500 rpm cut off.
p.s. the variable ratio steering is very quick in sport+ combined with slalom mode for tight turn maneuverability. I agree, it does not transmit a lot of road feel, but neither did the E9X M3's steering either.
I had posted this review a while back and it is clear how well it does on B-roads
I have owned mine for 10 months now. In sport+/manual mode, it "feels" much quicker when really revving it out than an E92 M3 if you drove it like it was supposed to. That extra 100 ft-lbs of torque is very very noticeable once you go over 4000 rpm. My major complaint with the E92 M3 was that it had absolutely no torque below 6000 rpm while the RCF has an extremely linear pull from 4000 rpm to nearly 7500 rpm cut off.
p.s. the variable ratio steering is very quick in sport+ combined with slalom mode for tight turn maneuverability. I agree, it does not transmit a lot of road feel, but neither did the E9X M3's steering either.
I had posted this review a while back and it is clear how well it does on B-roads
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I drove the car in every mode on the same day as the BMW. It drove terribly to me vs the BMW. We just disagree. I'm talking about the current M3, not an old one.
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Compared to the current M3/M4, it is an N/A V8 and having driven both, the M4 had much more midrange combined with 350 lbs lighter weight and punchy turbo torque. However, RCF has to be above 6000 rpm for maximum acceleration and sharpness (steering and throttle response wise as they sharpen up at high rpms). I was lucky to have a test drive with a sales guy who beat the cr*p out of the demo model even kicking the tail out on a few off-ramps and I was sold on it. To me, that is rewarding. To others, the M4's better midrange response and lighter weight would be the more appealing thing. For me sound and throttle response were a huge part of the experience.
The soundtrack difference itself was the biggest reason why I did not even consider the M4 because it sounds terrible and chose to look at the competition package 2013 E92 M3 instead.
You can't make an F30/F80 sounds like this
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Which is fine. It is your personal taste. I took issues with you stating why Lexus would want to pick the platform because of your own personal dislike for it.
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Yes because it simply wouldn’t work as a Supra. It’s too heavy and numb in my experience.
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Supra is a two seater with very little practicality and it still weighs 3380 lbs official. In production wet weight, it will be 3500+ lbs. Not less than the M2. The original Supra used to be a 2 + 2 in all generations while the new one is a 2 seater. If it had been a proper 2 + 2 with a longer wheelbase for decent trunk/interior space, it would easily be ~ 3700 lbs, which is what the track edition RCF weighs.
Most of all, you have no idea how the Supra drives. From the reviews, the steering on the Supra is electrical and does not telegraph much road feel either.
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Doesn’t matter its still way lighter than what it would be if it were based on the RC’s cobbled together platform. I don’t have to drive it to know that. I’m not sure why you keep bringing up the M2 or the previous Supra. It’s the 2020 model now.
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Because that is what the biggest gripe people have. A car that is as small as a BRZ, yet it offers less practicality and possibly around 3500 lbs weight. Supras were always 2 + 2 with a big lift back while this new one completely goes against that. If it had been a 2 + 2 with a longer usable trunk/interior space, guaranteed it would be in the ballpark of the RCF track edition.
The RCF track edition is positioned above the Supra in the Toyota/Lexus hierarchy as it should be as it costs a lot more because it offers track oriented performance/carbon fiber without compromising on practicality or luxury.
p.s. The extra weight in the RCF, is due to added chassis reinforcements and luxury items like 17 speaker stereo. Not because of the chassis itself.
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None of that changes the fact that Supra will be much lighter. Yeah I’m sure the extra weight is from reinforcements due to weird way the RC’s chassis was put together. Cost was never a point here.
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Nope. The chassis reinforcements are in the door panel (and in the trunk) to give extra torsional rigidity so it has nothing to do with the chassis unibody construction. It has a B-pillar as well, which coupes typically don't have (for added rigidity). My friend's similar sized E53 AMG does not have it (and it weighs 4600 lbs).
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How many of those A80 Supra's are imported from Japan ? They are dirt cheap and being RHD makes it even more affordable for UK roads. OEM parts are getting discontinued, what will they replace them with ? toilet paper ?
The factory has nasty plans for the A80. They want to push you to go for the new fake A90 Zupra4.
LC is horrendous with it's useless 10-speed gears. They don't listen to their customers and come up with a new nonsense concept crap.
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