IS/RC [Official] Lexus RC Coupe


I am explaining what a unibody is. Lexus has nothing to refute since Lexus is not sitting around and correcting people on the internet. People trashed the LFA transmission and Lexus did not go and correct them on the internet.

The added weight on the RCF is to achieve added stiffness. More stiffness means, better handling. So while the weight is getting added, so is the chassis dynamic capability. That is why RCF has better cornering in many turns than M4 in the chart above despite being heavier.

All of the cars these days are heavy. It is the progression of automotive engineering. About 10 years ago, 3500 lbs used to be considered very heavy. As chassis, suspension, tires get advanced, the weight goes up as well with the added safety features. I remember when E46 M3 came out in 2001, it was considered heavy at 3450 lbs because E36 M3 was 3100 lbs. The new upcoming GT500 will be over 4500 lbs. RCF is in the same weight category as the Giulia, C63 AMG, GT350, RS5. It has become the norm even for cars like Stinger or Red sport. There is nothing wrong with being 3900 - 4000 lbs as long as the chassis tuning and suspension tuning. The track edition is supposed to be stiffer and 180 lbs lighter so that puts it at a much higher performance envelope.

I came from cars that weighed 3100 - 3200 lbs. I owned a BRZ for a little while as well and it was 2800 lbs. I track my cars every so often as well, which I doubt you do. Great tossable chassis and suspension, but hated the engine, interior and performance. The RCF is infinitely more well engineered than my BRZ despite being over 1000 lbs heavier that the car shrinks around the driver when pushed hard on big sweeping turns because of how well the chassis behaves when pushed hard. I absolutely miss nothing about my BRZ other than zipping around in city traffic where my RCF feels like an overkill.

You don't need to explain anything. A unibody can still mean they took different parts of different cars to form one. So what that is an opinion about the transmission. The press reported this as a fact about the body, not their opinion big difference. So not the same thing, nice try though.

So what it doesn't help the car drive any better. Weight DOES NOT increase "chassis dynamic capability" and the car doesn't handle better overall than a car like the M4 so it's a fail. Excuses and apologies about weight and all.

The rest of that I just don't care anything it's all spilled milk to make the RC F seem better and it's all irrelevant. It isn't the same weight as the M4.

My experience and opinion the RC F will never change so post away with one new argument after another.

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You clearly don't understand physics. I can tell you have never been to the track. I am explaining why despite being heavier, RCF did better in some turns than the M4.

Adding a roll cage, adds a hefty 80 - 120 lbs of weight depending on the type, but it adds stiffness to chassis as well. The net effect other than safety, is also better dynamic chassis capability. That is what you fail to understand. If you are adding weight because you are adding more torsional rigidity, it will have a net positive effect on handling despite addition of weight as long as it is not introducing more polar moments of inertia (weight is closest to the CoG and lower to the ground).

Companies invest in putting downforce on cars to push the weight down at higher speeds. Having weight near the middle at higher speeds actually adds stability. I have taken high speed sweeping turns in my RCF at 120 - 125 mph and it always feels rock solid planted and never unstable through turns. The new Supra would take me in an auto cross and I don't doubt that. I came from a BRZ. If you put it on a big track with me where I can stretch my legs through exits and straight, I will run circles around it all day.


You don't need to explain anything. A unibody can still mean they took different parts of different cars to form one. So what that is an opinion about the transmission. The press reported this as a fact about the body, not their opinion big difference. So not the same thing, nice try though.

So what it doesn't help the car drive any better. Weight DOE...
 
You clearly don't understand physics. You don't even drive a performance car. I can tell you have never been to the track. I am explaining why despite being heavier, RCF did better in many turns than the M4.

Adding a roll cage, adds a hefty 80 - 120 lbs of weight, but it adds stiffness to chassis as well. The net effect other than safety, is also better dynamic chassis capability. That is what you fail to understand. If you are adding weight because you are adding more torsional rigidity, it will have a net positive effect on handling despite addition of weight as long as it is not introducing more polar moments of inertia (weight is closest to the CoG and lower to the ground).

Companies invest in putting downforce on cars to push the weight down at higher speeds. Having weight near the middle at higher speeds actually adds stability. I have taken high speed sweeping turns in my RCF at 120 - 125 mph and it always feels rock solid planted and never unstable through turns.

You clearly don't see that at this point I really don't care about what you have to say anymore. All of this started because you got butt hurt about what I said about the RC F. You've tried to brow beat me into changing my opinion of the car and I'm not based on my experience.

I never said I drove a performance car. Doesn't mean I don't know how to drive one either as I have driven plenty.

I have been to a track more than a few times. Wrong again.

All you have is bunch of feeble assumptions about me personally because you didn't like what I said.

I'm telling you that in my experience the M3 I drove on the same day as the RC F, drove much better than RC F. Period. Your example is one track in the hands of professionals, which I never claimed to be.

Hooray never said that the RC F didn't feel stable or rock solid, so again who is the point for?

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I am explaining the physics aspect of why/where the weight got added in the RCF. I don't care enough about others impressions to get butthurt. I enjoy my car and admiration it gets, is good enough for me.

Simply, if you post something that is misinforming the readers, I am going to question it especially in something I have so much extensive experience with. You might try your best to ignore it, but adding weight because you are trying to make the chassis more capable, is not a bad thing.



You clearly don't see that at this point I really don't care about what you have to say anymore. All of this started because you got butt hurt about what I said about the RC F. You've tried to brow beat me into changing my opinion of the car and I'm not based on my experience.

I never said I drove a performance car. Doesn't mean I don't know how to dri...
 
I didn't dispute that, so there was need to explain it or make all those assumptions about me. If you don't care then go away with your bag of excuses.

I didn't post anything that was misinformation. I posted my experience with the car. Nothing more.

The kicker is that they likely had to add all those structural reinforcements due to the fact that the chassis is such a hodgepodge of other vehicles.

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You broke the streak, I almost had an entire page of one person posting to themselves..

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Where is your source to backup your claim? It is ludicrous to make claims like that with no source. You have ZERO proof to back up such a ludicrious claim because you are so totally biased. It is because you are too ignorant to realize that the reinforcements were added to get extra rigidity. It is already a unibody construction as one piece chassis. Chief engineer said, it is a lot more stiffer shell officially for higher targets of dynamic chassis balance than the former ISF was on the IS chassis. Lexus officially stated, it is so stiff that it could be a convertible without the need for added reinforcements without the roof and B-pillar.

Seriously, how old are you? It is like talking to a pentulent child. I reported you to the mods (yeah, it is OK if I get an infraction because of my language). Do you ever talk positive about something? it is biased, emotional BS like that where you have ZERO evidence to backup your claim, is where you look like a biased bumbling troll. I still have no reason why you are here other than to talk sh*t about the RCF.

As they say, if you cannot say positive about something, keep your emotional drivel to yourself. So, GTFO troll and go troll somewhere else. If you hate it so much, you have no reason to be here. You have ruined the RCF thread and I am tired of correcting your misinformation.


I didn't dispute that, so there was need to explain it or make all those assumptions about me. If you don't care then go away with your bag of excuses.

I didn't post anything that was misinformation. I posted my experience with the car. Nothing more.

The kicker is that they likely had to add all those structural reinforcements due to the fact that the...
 
Oh wow what happened to your "civility"? I said likely, didn't say it was a fact. Learn how to read. Ignorant? No it's more like you're too stupid to stop arguing about the same dumb sh over and over to no avail. Yeah it's one piece chassis formed from 3 cars. Stiff enough to be a convertible because they took the back section from the convertible. Thanks for confirming that.

Yeah talking to you is like a child. You keep saying the same thing over and over with no movement. I hope you reported it to the mods because you have kept this going for like 24 hours now over nothing. All because you were in your feelings about the RC F.

Likewise if you can't come up with anything new and of substance keep your cry baby garbage to yourself. You're the only one trolling here. I merely stated an experience and you couldn't handle it and you tried to change my opinion on it, but you can't. Now you've called me names and reported ME to the mods? Hypocrite much?

You ruined the thread by insisting on trying to tell me that me experience was wrong or that I didn't drive the car right. YOU did that. You didn't have to try to fix or correct anything. So blame yourself.

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Oh wow what happened to your "civility"?

It is because your negativity eventually got to me and I stooped to lower level. You have been reported to the moderators for spewing nothing, but negative cr*p on this thread. I am not going and talking sh*t about another car. You check all of my posts and tell me when was the last time I went to a thread and talked sh*t about a car. It is just because I know about this car too much to not catch what you say.

At least, I give credit where it is due and deserved unlike you who has nothing positive to contribute to the RCF thread with your biased and negative propaganda. You have no business being here. As they say, if you have nothing positive to say then keep your mouth shut!

I said likely, didn't say it was a fact. Learn how to read.

Yeah, one can qualify every bullsh*t with a likely and get away with it. Speculation to serve your negative bias is always convenient. Can't believe I used to highly respect you at a time.


Yeah it's one piece chassis formed from 3 cars. Stiff enough to be a convertible because they took the back section from the convertible. T...

Oh, it is not the back, but the middle came from the ISC. Also, because a lot of chassis strengthening was developed specifically for the RCF making it a lot more rigid than the RC350, which has the same basic architecture. I have seen them in the hood, under carriage and behind the back seat. All of these would still be there, if Lexus had made a brand new ground-up chassis architecture for the RCF.
 
First of all I didn't troll anything, I gave an account of what my drive of the RC F was like. Period. Don't know how many times I have to repeat that for you, but there it is again.

You then proceeded to tell me that I can't drive, drove and old car, or that I drove one that was beat up. Again all your words.

Good report it to mods so they can see how you have spent the last 24 hours trying to discredit my initial post all because you simply didn't like.

Who or what do you think you are? Where do you get off telling someone that they're not able to drive or what their experiences are?

I don't care if you talk shit about a car, it's a car not a person. Again your issue. If you can't handle something negative said about a car maybe you don't belong here.

Yep and it's the same reason why you kept going in circles only to wind up back where you started.

"Chassis design was taken from three, but the chassis is constructed as a unibody specifically for the RCF."

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, TAKEN FROM THREE CARS AND STILL UNIBODY CONSTRUCTION. GO BACK AND READ!!!!! Clearly you couldn't grasp this the first time because of your emotional state.

Actually you're the failure here because you just confirmed what I said about the car's construction in the first place and you've yet to change my experience with the car, because you can't.

You're still trying to do so. Be sure to tell the mods that.

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First of all I didn't troll anything, I gave an account of what my drive of the RC F was like. Period. Don't know how many times I have to repeat that for you, but there it is again.

it is not about what your personal experiences were. It is about you trashing the car with words like turd, dull, all noise and no go etc. Should I go back and take out the quotes? Yes? If you dispute this, I can go back and pick out your quotes. You have not said a single positive thing. Having owned the RCF for a while, I can easily tell you are trolling.

You then proceeded to tell me that I can't drive, drove and old car, or that I drove one that was beat up. Again all your words.

LOL Making sh*t up again? Where did I say you drive an old car? I never said anything about your cars. I simply said, you don't drive a high performance car. Is that not the truth? That is all I said. I never judged your cars.


Good report it to mods so they can see how you have spent the last 24 hours trying to discredit my initial post all because you simply didn't like.

It has nothing to do with my likes and dislikes. Other people have voiced their opinions about the car and I never argued. Go back and look. It is how you phrase all of your impressions that clearly have not relation to the reality

Who or what do you think you are? Where do you get off telling someone that they're not able to drive or what their experiences are?

I never told you what you are not able to drive. it is just that how you describe, clearly show lack of knowledge on the subject matter, yet you remain stubborn in your resolve to trash something. When you tried to blame the chassis, I was able to corner you on it by proving that the chassis is actually designed for high dynamic handling through torsional rigidity. You changed


"Chassis design was taken from three, but the chassis is constructed as a unibody specifically for the RCF."

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, TAKEN FROM THREE CARS AND STILL UNIBODY CONSTRUCTION. GO BACK AND READ!!!!! Clearly you couldn't grasp this the first time because of your emotional state.


That is not what you said. Go back and read it. You said, the car has all of the bracing and strengthening because it is a hodge podge, which is complete BS as they are two indepedent decisions. The car has chassis bracing because they wanted to increase the torsional rigidity to higher targets over and above what the chassis had. They were specifically developed for the RCF not shared by the RC. These chassis bracings would still be there even if Lexus had developed a brand new ground-up architecture for the RCF.
 
What is your purpose at this point. I'm going to disagree with all you BS again? What is the point here? If I don't know what I'm talking about or belong here why are you so worked up about it?

"I never told you what you are not able to drive. it is just that how you describe, clearly show lack of knowledge on the subject matter, yet you remain stubborn in your resolve to trash something."

Which saying the same thing again. Stubborn? This from the person who despite running to the mods is still arguing? Pot meet kettle.

"It has nothing to do with my likes and dislikes. Other people have voiced their opinions about the car and I never argued. Go back and look. It is how you phrase all of your impressions that clearly have not relation to the reality."

Well too bad. Get over it. Sure was reality for me that after the M3 the RC F pretty much did nothing for either of us that drove it that day.

LOL Making sh*t up again? Where did I say you drive an old car? I simply said, you don't drive a high performance car. Is that not the truth? That is all I said. I never judged your cars.

Nope this is what you said: ""You definitely drove either a beaten up car or you did not drive it with manual/sport+."

I didn't drive a beaten up car. It was off the lot NEW. Try again.


it is not about what your personal experiences were. It is about you trashing the car with words like turd, dull, all noise and no go etc. Should I go back and take out the quotes? Yes? If you dispute this, I can go back and pick out your quotes. You have not said a single positive thing. Having owned the RCF for a while, I can easily tell you are trolling.

Typical crybaby excuse for people who don't like what is being said. If that is case then ignore it. You can't because you're emotional about it because you own one. You still can't let it go you have to make your experience or view the only view possible. I simply wasn't impressed with the RC F. Period. Yes it growled incessantly in the sportiest mode and it didn't wow me then either. Sorry. You can't change anyone experience.

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What is your purpose at this point. I'm going to disagree with all you BS again? What is the point here? If I don't know what I'm talking about or belong here why are you so worked up about it?

Calling something a turd, dull and numb that is generally considered a very exciting car (yes, I have driven the M4 as well). Don't blame the car. Blame how you drove the car. I said above, it does not have gobs of turbo torque in the midranges, but it is absolutely insane response over 6000 rpm.


Nope this is what you said: ""You definitely drove either a beaten up car or you did not drive it with manual/sport+."

<Faceplam> I was talking about a beaten up demo model or not being driven in sport+. It has nothing to do with your cars FFS. I meant an abused demo model </facepalm>


Typical crybaby excuse for people who don't like what is being said. If that is case then ignore it. You can't because you're emotional about it because you own one. You still can't let it go you have to make your experience or view the only view possible. I simply wasn't impressed with the RC F. Period. Yes it growled incessantly in the sportiest mode and it didn't wow me then either. Sorry. You can't change anyone experience.

I can post a bazillion videos of the car being pushed through corners hard (as I did before) and it directly contradicts what you are describing. If the car is being to high revs in the most aggressive settings, it would not be "constantly growling" as it is a midrange characteristic. It would be racing towards redine with high pitch scream even at the smallest touch of the throttle slaming the head in the head rest. The insane N/A V8 thrrottle response combined with lack of inertia makes the car hyper responsive and it hits rev limiter easily. I can easily control the rear end with the throttle.

If you had said, you were going through city roads and it did not impress you because it felt dimwitted, jerky and dull with not much going on in the midranges. I would not argue with you because that is true if it is not pushed to high revs over 5500 rpm, it is not be lively. That is the jekyll/hyde character of the car. I don't disagree with that.

This full review and he exactly fairly states that if you don't rev it out, you would not have fun and I agree. Good or bad, that is the way it is.

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