Gemera [Official] Koenigsegg Gemera (a.k.a. 4-door Koenigsegg?)

[Tourbillon]

 

[A.P.]

Hot V8?

 

[Tourbillon]

Hot V8?

Yeah I saw it. Hot V perhaps? We need a video of the presentation.

 

[Bridster]

It makes no sense at all to sell this car with two different engines.

The car has been designed for a small I3, so how are they gonna fit a V8 into it? Especially since the V8 also comes with the LST, while the I3 is only using fluid coupling (or is the LST now gonna be used with the I3 as well?). Not only are the dimensions of the drive units very different - which will require a complete redesign of the car - it will also mean programming and tuning the interaction between the engine and the electrical system for two different powertrains, and it will require two different cooling systems (since the V8 will make twice the power of the I3).

All this added effort for only 400k extra? I wonder if they are laying the ground for dropping the I3 - and its miraculous, genius freevalve - entirely later. Either way, one other piece of news is that the car is now not expected before 2025.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

This is so typically Koenigsegg…. A lot of bullshit that doesnt make sense

 

[WBarnes]

Sense plays little part in the purchase of a hypercar.

 

[Tourbillon]

Sense plays little part in the purchase of a hypercar.

Maybe Financial sense or perhaps lack of! These are alien worlds to us!

 

[Jonathan19]

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[hoffmeister_fan]

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madness. absolute madness.

 

[GCF]

Press Release - Koenigsegg unveils the Client Specification Gemera

The Gripen Atelier consists of 11,000 m2 of development, design, production, office, and showroom space dedicated to the Gemera lineup and future models, bringing the total footprint of Koenigsegg facilities to 30,000 m2. The Gripen Atelier enables Koenigsegg to efficiently develop and nourish...

www.germancarforum.com

 

[advantage20]

Yeah I saw it. Hot V perhaps? We need a video of the presentation.

• "Hot V8" instead of "hot V"
• "0.77 hp/kg", which implies a 2987 kg female African elephant weight; but since according to Christian the weight is "substantially less than two tons" then it has to be just a math fluke and it's actually the other way around i.e. 0.77 kg/hp, which implies a 1771 kg weight -- but that doesn't add up either given the previously reported 2070 kg for just the inline-3
• "Tourbillon" should be pronounced [tourbilyon] or ideally [tourbiyon] like in French, which you'd think someone like Christian would know from the world of high-end watchmaking
• "Full size" instead of "full-size" (adjective), "carry on" instead of "carry-on" (noun or adjective)
• If you're abbreviating newton-metre according to convention ("Nm"), then you should also abbreviate kilowatt according to convention ("kW")

I'm not trying to nitpick on purpose as bad spelling doesn't necessarily mean bad engineering, but at such a premium price point you'd also expect flawless brand communication, which is the easiest part. I'd been wondering how such a small company could come up with such mind-boggling innovations and record numbers over and over again compared to more established manufacturers. Is Koenigsegg indeed a bunch of mad scientist geniuses at work? In which case lack of rigor in communication doesn't matter as much if they're applying the greatest rigor to engineering some of the best cars out there -- to the point where they aren't even trying to put any effort into premium feel and brand appeal like everyone else is. Too bad for the missed opportunity of finishing the job (would you imagine Bugatti being this sloppy?), but not vital as they're still selling every single unit produced.

Now apparently Koenigsegg aren't organizing press drives either? If the only way to check theit claims is through privately owned cars, then if it somehow happens the cars underdeliver there is always the possibility to blame the owners for having done something wrong to them, and even leaving that idea open feels cheap. And yet there seem to be legit Guinness records out there. It's really puzzling and it seems like no one really knows for sure, is mysticism a clever part of their strategy or is it just plain dumb amateurism? All of this carelessness doesn't really encourage one to even find out, and definitely wouldn't appeal to me if I were a prospective buyer, but they don't seem to care who buys their cars -- which ultimately makes it look as though they're just in it for the business at this point, and I'd like to be wrong.

PS: how to spot a Nordic:

(charming inability to pronounce the [z] sound)

 

[Bridster]

• "Hot V8" instead of "hot V"
• "0.77 hp/kg", which implies a 2987 kg female African elephant weight; but since according to Christian the weight is "substantially less than two tons" then it has to be just a math fluke and it's actually the other way around i.e. 0.77 kg/hp, which implies a 1771 kg weight -- but that doesn't add up either given the previously reported 2070 kg for just the inline-3
• "Tourbillon" should be pronounced [tourbilyon] or ideally [tourbiyon] like in French, which you'd think someone like Christian would know from the world of high-end watchmaking
• "Full size" instead of "full-size" (adjective), "carry on" instead of "carry-on" (noun or adjective)
• If you're abbreviating newton-metre according to convention ("Nm"), then you should also abbreviate kilowatt according to convention ("kW")

I'm not trying to nitpick on purpose as bad spelling doesn't necessarily mean bad engineering, but at such a premium price point you'd also expect flawless brand communication, which is the easiest part. I'd been wondering how such a small company could come up with such mind-boggling innovations and record numbers over and over again compared to more established manufacturers. Is Koenigsegg indeed a bunch of mad scientist geniuses at work? In which case lack of rigor in communication doesn't matter as much if they're applying the greatest rigor to engineering some of the best cars out there -- to the point where they aren't even trying to put any effort into premium feel and brand appeal like everyone else is. Too bad for the missed opportunity of finishing the job (would you imagine Bugatti being this sloppy?), but not vital as they're still selling every single unit produced.

Now apparently Koenigsegg aren't organizing press drives either? If the only way to check theit claims is through privately owned cars, then if it somehow happens the cars underdeliver there is always the possibility to blame the owners for having done something wrong to them, and even leaving that idea open feels cheap. And yet there seem to be legit Guinness records out there. It's really puzzling and it seems like no one really knows for sure, is mysticism a clever part of their strategy or is it just plain dumb amateurism? All of this carelessness doesn't really encourage one to even find out, and definitely wouldn't appeal to me if I were a prospective buyer, but they don't seem to care who buys their cars -- which ultimately makes it look as though they're just in it for the business at this point, and I'd like to be wrong.

PS: how to spot a Nordic:

(charming inability to pronounce the [z] sound)

The 0.77hp/kg is for the 1400hp I3 version - for 1818kg.
The 1.11hp/kg is for the 2300hp V8 version - for 2070kg.

When he says the car is "substantially less than two tons" he is "mixing and matching", picking the best stat of each version while making it seem like he is talking about the same one - a common marketing tactic.

Of course, that's all just claims or estimates based on whatever prototypes they have at the moment. The weight for the production version might be different - not that we will likely ever know since the cars never get weighed.

As for whether Koenigsegg are legit or not, that's still up in the air. Whatever "world records" they have are all self-conducted tests with no oversight, where they are free to tweak the car away from production spec however they please. Since the Agera there have been no independent tests and all we have had to go on are their own tests where they conveniently have absolute control over what message gets out. And yes, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Or, at least, it shouldn't. In reality, though, it seems that people are more than happy to be swept over by hype, no matter that all that generates it is just Koenigsegg's own claims, which by common sense alone should be implicitly distrusted.

 

[advantage20]

• "0.77 hp/kg", which implies a 2987 kg female African elephant weight; but since according to Christian the weight is "substantially less than two tons" then it has to be just a math fluke and it's actually the other way around i.e. 0.77 kg/hp, which implies a 1771 kg weight -- but that doesn't add up either given the previously reported 2070 kg for just the inline-3

I may have mixed up the inline-3's given weight with the V8's (does that 2070 kg figure even come from Koenigsegg?), but it doesn't matter, the 0.77 ratio is wrong anyway, whether it's hp/kg or kg/hp. Christian himself doesn't necessarily have to get every single detail on his spreadsheet right (although I'd have expected him to), but what a sloppy PR job for the company.

Edit: posted before I read @Bridster 's reply.

 

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[Centurion]

This car has a lot going on: door length, occupant capacity, cargo space, fuel tank, drive train. I don’t know whether I should be impressed or worried.

 

[Tourbillon]

This car has a lot going on: door length, occupant capacity, cargo space, fuel tank, drive train. I don’t know whether I should be impressed or worried.

It was designed by Sasha Selipanov (with others) who is or was then ex Bugatti. But for me the biggest thing was finding out that the interior was designed by another ex Bugatti man called Etienne Salome because the timeframes for it's Geneva unvieling were very tight from memory, and he'd gone freelance at that time and or got permission to do so. Again he'll of been assisted, ofcourse.

Just some interesting information, least to us.

 

[Tourbillon]

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[A.P.]

Ghost package for Gemera. Looks a bit rice, but that wing is apparently active.