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F-Type [Official] Jaguar F-Type
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The Jaguar F-Type (X152) is a series of two-door, two-seater sports cars manufactured by British car manufacturer Jaguar Land Rover under their Jaguar Cars marque from 2013 to 2024. The car's JLR D6a platform is based on a shortened version of the XK's platform. It is the so-called "spiritual successor" to the E-Type.
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Betty I hope you're wearing your flame-proof suit today because agent K will be after you.
I was hoping he'd self combust on reading my post.
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Alternative to 991 ? PDK/Manual offered, Boxer engine, NA, more compact/pratical, different flavours, better fit & finish and you call this an alternative ? Come on man. This is a GT no matter what British media try to push it against.
Only advantage would have this over 911 is price, but then again, they priced it close enough to 991. Time will tell how this will turn out.
I've yet to sit in or drive the F-type so I can't really comment on whether it's up to Porsche's standard of fit and finish or even if it drives as well, all I can do is give an opinion based on what the press are saying which is very favorable indeed and the fact that they are making references towards the 911 suggests to me that it's up there with what I reckon is the best.
As for the whole Manual vs Auto & NA vs FI argument, not saying this is directed at you but too many argue for manuals and NA engines that frankly couldn't drive their finger up their arse, as long as you are enjoying yourself in the whole experience who the £#@* cares what's under the hood and in my opinion autos are so good now-a-days that without being told I doubt anyone could tell what gearbox is being used whether it's a traditional automatic or a high tech dual clutcher.
Oh and as for the whole British press comment, surely this complaint can be directed towards German, Italian, Japanese and US press for being a little biased.
Pistonheads on why the V6 S might be better than the V8:
"Our first drive of Jaguar's long-awaited F-Type sports car focused on the mid-range V6 S. Costing £67,500 and delivering 380hp, it offers justifiable value over and above the entry-level model. The F-Type V6 may be £9,000 cheaper, but it does fall 40hp short and lack certain kit such as a limited-slip differential and the essential sports exhaust.
This being PistonHeads, the range-topping supercharged V8 brute may seem to be our more likely preference. 495hp in a relatively small, rear-wheel drive package does have a certain primal attraction, but a spirited drive along a damp mountain pass proved a point; short shifting to fourth and lightly feathering the throttle out of tight corners to maintain traction quickly became the default driving mode. With sweaty palms and a beating heart, I just couldn't see V6 S being any slower across that particular stretch of road, which was as stifling as British B-roads can often be. Given that all of the power could have been used much more of the time and that the six-pot sounds every bit as exciting as the V8, I reckoned the 'lesser' model would actually be more fun, too.
With an extra 30kg over the front axle in the V8 model, there is very slightly more inertia to overcome in quick direction changes. The steering also feels as though it's been corrupted by the additional weight for there is marginally more resistance to overcome, rendering the Dynamic steering mode redundant.
As we dropped out of the mountains and onto the valley floor, the road did open up and the V8 was better able to stretch its legs, but my mind had been made up; the V6 S is the sweeter, more rewarding car. The £12,500 saving is also more than significant.
In anything other than optimal conditions the V8 S can be a right old thug. The rear tyres struggle to contain the swollen torque on corners exits, too, so it is often squandered.
That isn't to say the V8 is a duffer. It's actually much less of an over-engined hotrod than I had expected it to be (in dry conditions, at least) and the straight-line speed that the 5.0-litre unit delivers when circumstances allow is intoxicating. With the more aggressive styling and black detailing it did also look superb; on a purely emotional, subjective level, the F-Type V8 S is a wonderful machine.
Jaguar's chassis guru Mike Cross summed it up well, however. I was lucky enough to share a V6 S with him for 100 miles across a variety of road types, each taking turns behind the wheel. "We've been able to give the V6 S a proper thrashing today," he said. "We'd only have been able to do the same once or twice in the V8.""
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27519
V6 does sound mental. Love the pop-crackle on the overrun here:
Hard to choose between V8 and V6 sounds.
"Our first drive of Jaguar's long-awaited F-Type sports car focused on the mid-range V6 S. Costing £67,500 and delivering 380hp, it offers justifiable value over and above the entry-level model. The F-Type V6 may be £9,000 cheaper, but it does fall 40hp short and lack certain kit such as a limited-slip differential and the essential sports exhaust.
This being PistonHeads, the range-topping supercharged V8 brute may seem to be our more likely preference. 495hp in a relatively small, rear-wheel drive package does have a certain primal attraction, but a spirited drive along a damp mountain pass proved a point; short shifting to fourth and lightly feathering the throttle out of tight corners to maintain traction quickly became the default driving mode. With sweaty palms and a beating heart, I just couldn't see V6 S being any slower across that particular stretch of road, which was as stifling as British B-roads can often be. Given that all of the power could have been used much more of the time and that the six-pot sounds every bit as exciting as the V8, I reckoned the 'lesser' model would actually be more fun, too.
With an extra 30kg over the front axle in the V8 model, there is very slightly more inertia to overcome in quick direction changes. The steering also feels as though it's been corrupted by the additional weight for there is marginally more resistance to overcome, rendering the Dynamic steering mode redundant.
As we dropped out of the mountains and onto the valley floor, the road did open up and the V8 was better able to stretch its legs, but my mind had been made up; the V6 S is the sweeter, more rewarding car. The £12,500 saving is also more than significant.
In anything other than optimal conditions the V8 S can be a right old thug. The rear tyres struggle to contain the swollen torque on corners exits, too, so it is often squandered.
That isn't to say the V8 is a duffer. It's actually much less of an over-engined hotrod than I had expected it to be (in dry conditions, at least) and the straight-line speed that the 5.0-litre unit delivers when circumstances allow is intoxicating. With the more aggressive styling and black detailing it did also look superb; on a purely emotional, subjective level, the F-Type V8 S is a wonderful machine.
Jaguar's chassis guru Mike Cross summed it up well, however. I was lucky enough to share a V6 S with him for 100 miles across a variety of road types, each taking turns behind the wheel. "We've been able to give the V6 S a proper thrashing today," he said. "We'd only have been able to do the same once or twice in the V8.""
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=27519
V6 does sound mental. Love the pop-crackle on the overrun here:
Hard to choose between V8 and V6 sounds.
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That's quite a definitive win for the 911, although there's no mention of what, if any options were included on the 911. PASM, PTV and PCCB would make a big difference to the 911, both on the track and to the bank account.
The scary thing is, the cheaper Boxster S placed higher than the 911 Carrera in eCOTY 2012.
I'm all for alternatives to the status quo, but considering how good both the Boxster and the 911 are, it's hard to argue a case for the Jaguar F-Type.
^All it proves is that the 911 due to its weight, manual transmission and rear-engined traction is the superior track machine, hold the press for that bit of breaking news.... lol. This was always going to be the case, if there's one thing Porsche excel at its building things to go round the track quicker than most others.
Away from the track is far more important because 99% of owners won't take these cars to the track and those that do might only drive less than 3% of their yearly mileage there so what the point in this type of comparison?
I want to see a proper on the road comparison where lumps and bumps determine whether Jaguar has got the mix just right.
Away from the track is far more important because 99% of owners won't take these cars to the track and those that do might only drive less than 3% of their yearly mileage there so what the point in this type of comparison?
I want to see a proper on the road comparison where lumps and bumps determine whether Jaguar has got the mix just right.
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^ Oh mirth!!! lol lol so funny.
Really? All it proves? The only thing that it proves is that, in this case, the Porsche is the superior car on the track. Obvious! But, crucially, it's proof.
Anything else is speculation.
But since we're speculating... since when did the lighter, torsionally stiffer car be at a disadvantage on lumpy bumpy roads vs. a heavier, bendier car?
Really? All it proves? The only thing that it proves is that, in this case, the Porsche is the superior car on the track. Obvious! But, crucially, it's proof.
Anything else is speculation.
But since we're speculating... since when did the lighter, torsionally stiffer car be at a disadvantage on lumpy bumpy roads vs. a heavier, bendier car?
Well that will greatly depend on how each cars suspension is set up, a 911 doesn't cushion it's passengers as well as an S-class on the road but then again an S-class isn't as good at resisting leaning in the bends. I reckon the F-type will be the smoother car to drive and sail in than the 911 but if that means very little to you then your choice is simple... get the 911 but for those that like a more relaxing ride then (maybe) the F-type could be the better choice.
Well you ask the question, I just provided the obvious answer. lol
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£70k buys you build quality you wouldn't find on a Dacia - the boot/trunk lid fit:
Spanish cops probably stopped it to make sure it wasn't a motorised bath tub.
Spanish cops probably stopped it to make sure it wasn't a motorised bath tub.
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Sooo sexy! A bathtub with a prematurely balding geography teacher for £70k
^That looks to be not a balding geography teacher but Autocar's Matt Prior (unless Prior only moonlights as an automotive journalist).
Wouldn't put too much stock in journalist fleet cars either. That mismatch in the boot/trunk lid fit isn't present here.
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Wouldn't put too much stock in journalist fleet cars either. That mismatch in the boot/trunk lid fit isn't present here.
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Lol, the Jag is not even in the same ballpark.
It doesn't have PCCB. Looking at body roll, I doubt it has PDCC either and of course no PDK either. Gap to a car with all that would be even bigger.
Have we seen torsional rigidity numbers for either of these cars?
While I agree a proper road test is in order, I'm a little baffled that the Jag is that far off the pace on track. Only about as fast as a 370Z?
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I think no PASM either. The body gap between wheels/fenders is huge for 911. On PASM the car is lower, add to that SPASM and it gets even lower. PDCC is not there either since you should tick PASM first.
so this is almost bare bone 911. better yet, I think a boxster would achieve similar results.
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Yea, it doesn't PASM either. PASM equipped cars have three buttons on the column of the buttons on the left side of the center console (the one for adjusting the dampers) vs only two in the car in the video.
And yes, I bet the Boxster S would also run circles around the Jag, heck even the base Boxster is probably faster.
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