Revvd
Oversteer Expert
Good points! I didn't realize LMP2 got nerfed so much to make Hypercars look better. What a sad state of affairs for the whole motorsport.
The only data I got on LMP2 is from Quattroruote video where they are testing Dallara P217 (2017 LMP2). And I'm not sure if I should trust it, but an engineer quotes these stats: 620 PS / 890 kg and 1,000 kg of DF at 200 kph.
The weight stat already seems strange, as the minimum weight for that year was 930 kg. But that downforce is pretty massive. That's almost what I would expect from an LMP1.
Do you think those numbers could be real?
Also, I just realized this Ford GT MkIV actually generates a little bit more downforce that Isotta Fraschini Tipo 6 LMH Pista
and by extension possibly even the LMH race car.
StartYourEngines
Tarmac Traveler
Well, let's say that a 2011 closed cockpit LMP2 could generate more or less up to 895 kg of downforce at 240 km/h.Good points! I didn't realize LMP2 got nerfed so much to make Hypercars look better. What a sad state of affairs for the whole motorsport.
The only data I got on LMP2 is from Quattroruote video where they are testing Dallara P217 (2017 LMP2). And I'm not sure if I should trust it, but an engineer quotes these stats: 620 PS / 890 kg and 1,000 kg of DF at 200 kph.
The weight stat already seems strange, as the minimum weight for that year was 930 kg. But that downforce is pretty massive. That's almost what I would expect from an LMP1.
Do you think those numbers could be real?
Also, I just realized this Ford GT MkIV actually generates a little bit more downforce that Isotta Fraschini Tipo 6 LMH Pista
If you look at lap times throughout the years, pace of both LMP1 and LMP2 cars increased a lot from 2011 onwards, with performance peaks that I would say are around the 2017-2018 seasons.
In 2017, LMP2 cars would have to confront something like this:
These were peak LMP1-H monsters and LMP2 were at their fastest so that they could be allowed to somehow "compete" (even if, actually, the hybrid top-end LMP1 machines like the 919 were easily gapping them as if they were standing still).
So yes, I find the downforce quote that you posted for the 2017 LMP2 car totally believable.
About regulated weight, yes it should be 930 kg.
To give you further context, the Acura DPi race car from 3-4 years ago would generate more than 1360 kg of DF at around 240 km/h, which more or less fits in that ballpark that you posted. If we consider that DPi cars were way slower than top-end LMP1-H machines and more or less around LMP2 performance at the time, I'd say again that your quote sure makes sense.
Finally, to just give you hint about how much LMP2 cars have been nerfed: fastest quali lap of a 2017 LMP2 car in Bahrain was in the low 1'47 range. This year (2023 edition of the race), the fastest LMP2 machine qualified with a lap time around 1'52.3.
The top-end, hybrid Toyota GR010 LMH qualified in 1'46.5, which basically is the time that a 2017 LMP2 would have been capable to set.
Revvd
Oversteer Expert
Welp, that's rough. And Bahrain doesn't even seem like a very downforce-heavy track. That difference must have been even bigger on the rest of the calendar.
LMP2 slowly fading away to finally disappear from WEC altogether (with Le Mans being the sole exception). I suppose it's a necessary sacrifice to have one massive Hypercar grid starting with 2024.
And to be fair, I never could follow the racing in LMP2. It just never had the appeal for me, as a fairly casual viewer.
Now just get rid of that hybrid nonsense and maybe they can get faster again
Thanks @StartYourEngines , I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
LMP2 slowly fading away to finally disappear from WEC altogether (with Le Mans being the sole exception). I suppose it's a necessary sacrifice to have one massive Hypercar grid starting with 2024.
And to be fair, I never could follow the racing in LMP2. It just never had the appeal for me, as a fairly casual viewer.
Now just get rid of that hybrid nonsense and maybe they can get faster again
Thanks @StartYourEngines , I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Revvd
Oversteer Expert
According to this video, the weight of the Mk IV is somewhere between 1,200 and 1,300 kg.
Which means, in terms of cornering grip, it could be fairly close to GMA T.50s Niki Lauda, Dallara Stradale EXP and Ferrari 488 GT Modificata (assuming their claims are accurate).
Which means, in terms of cornering grip, it could be fairly close to GMA T.50s Niki Lauda, Dallara Stradale EXP and Ferrari 488 GT Modificata (assuming their claims are accurate).
I hope none. The car is meant for serious track use. It would be a pointless exercise to make it street legal.
Jonathan19
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KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
It's become a pretty big business for Lanzante, they have converted quite a few serious track use vehicles into street legal vehicles. They have a Zonda Revolucion, 2 Porsche 935's, and a couple of Mclaren F1 long tails being converted at the moment. Someone has asked them to convert the Valkyrie AMR. From the video I wanted owners have fun with them on the track for a few years then convert them to road use.
Pagani Zonda Revolucion made street-legal with help from Lanzante
Just five Pagani Zonda Revolucions were built, and now one of them is legal on the street.
Revvd
Oversteer Expert
I'm happy for Lanzante to have found a nice niche to make money on. But looking at the prospect of ownership of these, I still don't see a point of these conversions. Do these actually get driven to a track day and back, or it's just another way to flex on other super car owners?
Bolting on a license plate and lifting the ride height doesn't make them exactly practical. The way I see it, it's just a way to one-up your multimillionaire buddy.
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
They do a hell of a lot more than just jacking up the ride height and bolting on a number plate. They need lights, air con, seatbelts.............
At the end of this video they talk about the track to street conversions.
Jonathan19
Premium+
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Revvd
Oversteer Expert
COTA lap time from yonly65's instagram:
It was a *very* good day. I set the GT lap record at COTA this afternoon, with the first sub-2 minute lap ever recorded from a GT car
I can't say enough good things about the MK IV - @fordperformance and @multimaticmotorsports have built the ultimate GT car. It runs lap times comparable to an LMP2 car, and it has a passenger seat so you can terrify your friends with 2.5Gs of braking and cornering. And, it is drop dead gorgeous to boot. My hat's off to the whole team for producing this amazing, delightful machine!
Video and telemetry to follow.
#FordPerformance #Multimaticmotorsports #GTmkIV #COTA #1:59.3 #GoodLordIt'sFast
RacingLover
Tarmac Traveler
RacingLover
Tarmac Traveler
This thing goes from 100 to 200 in under 4 seconds and 100 to 294 takes 14.5 seconds, which means this Ford's straight line acceleration is comparable to cars like the Zonda R and FXX K, incredible.
Revvd
Oversteer Expert
RacingLover
Tarmac Traveler
2016 , but I still think this is a great achievement for fordLMP2 находится на другом уровне благодаря esses
Какого года видео LMP2?
TopspeedPT
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