F12berlinetta [Official] Ferrari Unveils Hardcore F12tdf Limited Edition Model With 780PS


The Ferrari F12berlinetta (Type F152) is a front mid-engine, rear-wheel-drive grand tourer produced by Ferrari. Production: 2012-2017. Predecessor: Ferrari 599. Successor: Ferrari 812 Superfast.
I have reserved comment until now. I am completely unenamoured with this new F12 derivative. If the GTO edition of the 599 achieved an aesthetic enhancement over the standard model then this has achieved the opposite. Whilst I'm sure it would be the better car to drive, visually speaking, this car elicited misgivings in me from the moment I saw those first leaks of the yellow car at the factory.
 
But what if it had the B12 from the 512 BB, would it not then, per definition, be fabulous?
 
i do find their gearshift claims hard to believe seeing as how the 458 and F12 are already lightning fast (and you can use the single clutch 60ms and continually decrease it from there)

i'm also sceptical to their downforce claim but we'll see when the Tdf is put the supertest
 
i'm also sceptical to their downforce claim but we'll see when the Tdf is put the supertest
I believe them, the F12's claim down force was verified by Sport Auto. The F12 achieved that without aggressive front splitters, tuning vanes and rear diffuser. The aero performance is especially impressive considering it generates more rear down force compare to the MP4 and the Aventador, both cars with active rear spoilers.
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It's a much cleaner design, but making it a "special" takes some sleeves-upprolling to do, and I think the design elements used are very well executed.
I think so too. The 599GTO looked more like a tuner car while the F12tdf looks coach built. Just look at how sculptured and different it's front bumper is compared to the one on the F12. In single colours without a black stripe, the tdf will be gorgeous.
 
These real-life pics have me questioning what seemed to be my unwavering love for the 599GTO. It looks good.

I'd still want the GTO over this though.
 
Those vented hips are so awesome.... they remind me of the gills of a fish, but I am probably not alone here...
 
These real-life pics have me questioning what seemed to be my unwavering love for the 599GTO. It looks good.

I'd still want the GTO over this though.
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LOL! Before I proceed, whatever I say is pretty moot, as any chance for me to actually drive, let alone afford one, in this lifetime is next to nil... at least I am not a complete pessimist ;)

The TdF is an amazing piece of kit where I was initially a bit dismissive. When I saw the spy pics of it before the official press pics, I thought the carbon fiber bits were rather boy-racer. And the front was too aggressive for a Ferrari. But as time wore on, and more spy pics were released, I started to appreciate some of the other details, namely the spot-on proportions (that's more a credit to the "base" F12) and the muscular hips and that rear which coupled with the rear fender gills. Those details are a nice ode to classic Ferraris such as the legendary 275GTB

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But here the thing, while that's a great nod to Ferrari's past, it doesn't jive with the front, which reminds me too much of Corvette's C7 Le Mans race car.

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Granted, I think Chevrolet took some liberties and "borrowed" from Ferrari, but what is seen cannot be unseen.

With time I can and have overlooked it and really appreciate what Ferrari done and thus far I am much more accepting of the TdF since the release of the official press pics. (BTW, those press pics and most Ferraris press pics the last 5-7 years have been absolute photoshopped crap.) I just think the 599GTO is the ultimate, well-balanced package...
- More natural steering feel compared to the standard F12. If they have worked on steering feel in the TdF in making it less jittery, well then kudos.
- I think the single-clutch F1 transmission provides the right sense of occasion for this kind of car, and its shift is plenty quick at 60 ms.
- The styling of the 599GTO balances elegance and aggression well as a Ferrari ought to, whereas the TdF comes off a bit too aggro and some of the carbon bits (aerobridge, between the rearlights, the exhaust box) are more something you'd see on Mansory. I feel if Pininfarina had a hand in the TdF, we wouldn't see those details.
- I have a feeling the 599GTO has a (relatively) more analog feel than the TdF, but that remains to be seen.

The thing that I mentioned before that the TdF and the base F12 have going for is that it has more power, but to me 660 Hp vs. 740 Hp/780 Hp is splitting hairs. All three of those figures are absolutely bananas and more than enough for me. And the F12/TdF has just impeccable proportions whereas the 599GTB/GTO is longer than it ought to be for a car like this. Also, the TdF has a nicer, much more up-to-date cabin than the GTO...I love those titanium HVAC vents.

If somehow the car gods were so kind to offer me a choice between the two, I'd have tough time deciding, but ultimately what would share space with my "lowly" Honda would be the GTO. But with time and more info being released (test-drives, reviews, etc.), there's a possibility my mind may change.
 
Ferrari F12tdf review - first drive in the ferocious 769bhp supercar
JETHRO BOVINGDON
9 NOV 2015
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It could just be the purest expression of Ferrari right now
EVO RATING: 4.5/5

PRICE:
£339,000

The iconic Tour de France name is resurrected for an extreme version of the F12. Faster, lighter and packed with new technology, it’s a mouth-watering proposition. So can it live up to the huge expectation?

What is it?
Pure automotive pornography. Sorry if that sounds crude but the Ferrari F12tdf exudes a desirability and aggression that might make it the most desirable car on sale today. It’s got the glamour and inherent balance of a big front-engined rear drive machine, the breathless excitement of a normally aspirated V12 and so many cuts, slashes and aero devices that it reeks of motorsport and technology. Ferrari will produce 799 of the F12tdf at £339,000.

Lighter, more powerful and showcasing a new four-wheel steering system but unencumbered by weighty hybrid technology or turbocharging, it should be the purest expression of Ferrari right now.

Technical highlights
The F12tdf ups the ante considerably over the standard F12 in terms of drivetrain performance, aerodynamics, lightweight materials and solutions and, of course, chassis dynamics. The basics statistics are that power from the 6.3-litre V12 is up to 769bhp at 8500rpm (from 730bhp) and 520lb ft at 6750rpm (from 509lb ft), the 7-speed dual clutch transmission cuts shift time by 30-percent on upshifts and 40-percent on downshifts and the gear ratios themselves are shorter by 6-percent. Ferrari claim the tdf reaches 62mph from rest in 2.9-seconds and 124mph in 7.1-seconds. The top speed is ‘over 211mph’.



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The chassis and aerodynamic work is perhaps even more impressive. Ferrari has increased the front tyre size from 255-section to 275-section (it runs the new Pirelli P Zero Corsa) but then claims to have mitigated the increased ‘oversteer on the limit’ that the extra front grip could create with the new ‘Virtual Short Wheelbase’ four-wheel steering system. In fact this is a bit of a misnomer. The ‘short wheelbase’ feel has been realised by increasing the front end grip and working on the mechanical grip and agility in general.

The four-wheel steering system is used to control the newfound responsiveness, the rear wheels steering in the same direction as the fronts for stability, not in the counter direction for agility. Perhaps it should be called Virtual Long Wheelbase. Either way Ferrari claim this creates a car with the outright response of the old 599 GTO but with a much more predictable, exploitable feel that should suit all levels of driver ability. Of course the 3rd generation magnetic dampers are retuned, the springs are around 20-percent stiffer and the tdf benefits from new Extreme Design brake calipers from the LaFerrari.



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With time this nervousness subsides… never quite disappearing but you slowly tune into the car’s rate of response, start to drive very much with your fingertips and the tdf begins to feel smooth and balanced rather than serrated and angry. However, the extra front and rear grip and the much greater body control create a very different feel and balance to the normal F12. It’s not an indulgent car, doesn’t want to play big, big oversteery slides. Instead it’s neat and precise but with this edge, this spikiness never too far away. It demands respect and thought. You don’t just drive the tdf on instinct but instead find yourself trying to figure out the best way to get it through each corner… On track at least I never quite felt on top of the car. Never fully immersed in the unfolding action.



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Of course the drivetrain is mesmerising. What an engine! For me the throttle response is a little too sharp if the manettino is wound around to Race, CT Off or ESC Off, but in every other way it’s a magnificent experience. The deep, insistent torque and then the frenzied, savage way it winds around to the 8900rpm limiter is just unmatched.

You’ll read lots about new generation turbocharged engines in the 488, in the new 911 and many other cars in the weeks and months to come and some people will try to tell you that forced induction is so good now that it hardly matters… They’re lying to you and the F12tdf is proof positive that for excitement, response and the sorts of noises that make you want to jump for joy, nothing beats a big normally aspirated engine. Nothing. Married to the scintillating dual-clutch transmission it’s a joyous, almost terrifyingly potent package.

Out on the road the F12tdf does feel extreme, perhaps more so than we’d even expected. The ride is composed, almost supple on smooth surfaces but on lumpy, narrow roads it feels much more aggressive than even something like the 458 Speciale. It seems that by creating such immense steering response and eliminating any trace of understeer Ferrari has to be sure that the F12tdf is in control of its weight for every millisecond, demanding a pretty uncompromising set-up.

The result is that the car isn’t as fluid we’ve become used to from Ferrari. It requires time to understand and recalibration of your senses to tune into the messages present as it changes direction… They’re bubbling away in the steering and through the seat and of high quality, but such is the speed of what’s going on it’s easy to miss them and then the tdf can seem wildy fast and effective but unwilling to fully communicate with the driver. And such is the car’s potential you need to be fully in the loop or confidence can quickly dwindle.


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As you can tell, the F12tdf is a fascinating but not instantly intuitive car to drive quickly. It’s also a car that requires you to adapt to its responses, to learn to trust in the four-wheel steering system and to respect that 769bhp going through rear tyres without an engine pressing above them requires finely considered deployment. It has masses of grip, staggering reflexes, superb traction and immense control but what lies beyond is never too far from your mind. It’s a challenge but one with real rewards… Put it this way, we really want to drive it again to try to unpeel more and more layers of its ability.

Rivals?
The drivetrain is out of this world. A Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 isn’t even close. The chassis is incredibly capable but doesn’t feel as transparent as aMcLaren 675 LT… But are those the right benchmarks? It really is a unique proposition.

Anything else I need to know?
The pasta at the Montana restaurant nestled beside Fiorano tastes nearly as good as an F12tdf sounds at 8500rpm.
http://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/16931/...-first-drive-in-the-ferocious-769bhp-supercar
 
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