488 [2015-2019] [Official] Ferrari 488 Pista

[kingjr9000]

follow-up Comment from CJ about the pista. I posted his rankings in the 600lt thread:

Yes I drove the pista at Laguna Seca for 15 laps during the Ferrari Challenge series weekend recently. 3 sessions of 5 laps. The car has incredibly far surpassed the 458 Speciale which was a favorite of mine for noises and power delivery etc but not steering feel.

The pista:
720S power, 675/600LT steering, GT2RS levels of grip.

So, the best of all worlds. Now- it's 470k or so...which means IT BETTER BE GOOD FOR THAT MONEY!

The pista pulls Way Harder at the top of the rev range vs the 488 standard which kind of lumbers along for the last 1000 rpms. The gearbox is great, suspension grip is awesome, etc.

I also drove it around HWY 68 for a bit as part of the test drive program they offered me. 100% love it. The first ferrari I drove and had my expectations surpassed. I have owned: 275, 550, 599, 812, 458 speciale, and driven: 16M, 430Sscud, 575, F40, 488 spider/coupe, 458 spider/ coupe, F12, etc.


The pista is the best ferrari I have driven. Feels more stout, capable, and powerful.

 

[Perez]

Video of Nurburgring Sprint by Autozeitung

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[DeDe]

My latest datapanel: Ferrari 488 Pista vs. McLaren 720S as tested by AMuS.

 

[drifter1]

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Wow. That's crushed the GT2RS time.

 

[Switar]

An impressive car, even faster than i expected

 

[TopspeedPT]

Wow. That's crushed the GT2RS time.

There's no GT2 RS on GP laptime. They only tested on the shorter configuration AFAIK.

 

[mihc]

There's no GT2 RS on GP laptime. They only tested on the shorter configuration AFAIK.

They did test it in comparison with 720S.

 

[DeDe]

They did test it in comparison with 720S.

Actually, it was Auto Motor und Sport and the driver was a different person as well (chief testdriver Jochen Albig).
Plus, the GT2 RS was on the regular Cup 2 N2s with street aero-setup.

 

[mihc]

Actually, it was Auto Motor und Sport and the driver was a different person as well (chief testdriver Jochen Albig).
Plus, the GT2 RS was on the regular Cup 2 N2s with street aero-setup.

So with Cup R it would easily do around 1:46, especially with C.Gebhardt behind the wheel.

 

[m-ch]

So strightline slower than a base 720s, marginal faster than the Gt2 Rs.
Weight around 60kg heavier than a 720s, same about the 991 Gt2 Rs.
Tracktime fast but comes down to the cup2r.
(2-2,5 sec easily in the tyre)

I do really wonder why Ferrari isnt able to match the numbers of the 720s in strightline and weight, and this for there hardcore version.
Looking forward to the 7xx lt

 

[drifter1]

So with Cup R it would easily do around 1:46, especially with C.Gebhardt behind the wheel.

Possibly, but the Pista was a lot faster on Magny Cours, and both were running the same Cup 2 R's. If the Pista had a similarly equipped rear wing as the 'RS would it not be even faster on a lap?

 

[m-ch]

Possibly, but the Pista was a lot faster on Magny Cours, and both were running the same Cup 2 R's. If the Pista had a similarly equipped rear wing as the 'RS would it not be even faster on a lap?

not necesserily. Nürburgring Nordschleife track needs a rear wing to be really fast, the bigger the better. The surfaces on the Nurburgring is so unique, uneven, changing a lot, different typ of concret, so generetad down force by diffuser work is less efficent there than on „typical“ race tracks.

But, if you get enough downforce from underbody work, slats, diffusor etc on a regular race track, you may be faster than with a big wing. Unfortunetly the 991 layout is not so compatible with a big diffusor, as the mid engine cars, they mainly generate there downforce by the big wing (big drag)
I bet if ferrari would have seen the necessity of adding a big rear wing on the 488 pista they would have gone for.
The question here might be, if the added downforce by big wing would have had the benefit over drag from the big wing in tracktime.
I think downforce by diffuser generates less induced drag then a big wing over a car, if you take for both example the same downforce result. Basicly because the wing has mor frontal surfaces as a diffuser, so more drag
Maybe someone here has more experience on this topic and can explain more details on that.
Of course you can say now every race car has a wing, true, but they are not comparable with the streetcars as the pista or Gt2 Rs are, by many factors

 

[m-ch]

and concerning Cup2 R Tyres:
My Gt2 Rs was delivered with Dunlop tyres. It was a disappointing at the beginning for me, as i track my cars and wanted the car to be in the shape of the record holder Gt2 Rs. After 4 month of waiting i was able to order the first set of cup R tyres (trough my PZ, end of October). An amazing tyre big big difference to the Dunlop or the regular michelin cup 2. Even much better than the trofeo R which i am running on the 675lt.
BUT, this tyre preformed really just 5 laps or so on a big level, afterwards performance goes down rapidly. This phenom can be experienced by non professionell driver as i am. It is like night and days.
I ordered there after an other set, and the same thing happend.
So im am back on normal cup2 and very happy. No problem to use one whole trackday and still be able to drive home save, even in the rain.
I think unless money is no issue and you are willing to use multiple Cup 2 R tyres per day, this tyre doesn't really make sense if you are not racing.

 

[mihc]

 

[Frankie G]

I do really wonder why Ferrari isnt able to match the numbers of the 720s in strightline and weight

The McLaren's have always been incredibly formidable in a straight line, as far back as the 650S. Its Ferrari rival at the time, the 458+/Speciale, could barely match it to 100 km/h and fell off the Mclaren's pace beyond that. But the Ferrari was - in most books - the more accomplished machine.

Regarding weight, that is mostly down to how they are constructed and the materials in their makeup etc.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

and concerning Cup2 R Tyres:
My Gt2 Rs was delivered with Dunlop tyres. It was a disappointing at the beginning for me, as i track my cars and wanted the car to be in the shape of the record holder Gt2 Rs. After 4 month of waiting i was able to order the first set of cup R tyres (trough my PZ, end of October). An amazing tyre big big difference to the Dun...

Agree, it seems they have created this tyre (and the Cup 2 ZP) to obtains impressive lap times in tests.
It is strangely homologated as a street tyre, but very dangerous if the conditions are wrong....

 

[bmwz4coupe]

They did test it in comparison with 720S.

Yes, the GT2 RS was on normal Cup 2 tyres in this test, but remember that the 720s was on Corsa tyres wich are less grippier than Cup 2 - and it managed to beat the GT2 RS - impressive!

 

[LinsThiago]

1:12.70 Top Gear! RECORD!!!

 

[mihc]

1:12.70 Top Gear! RECORD!!!

Previous record was by GT2 RS 1:13,4. Impressive...

 

[Switar]

The track condition is relevant. Remember that previous GT 2 rs (620 cv) lapped Hockenheim in 1.49.5, so the new one must be much, much faster