X5 M / X6 M [Official] BMW X6 M Thread

[SCOTT27]

Here is the official media presentation for the BMW X6 M .

BMW X5 M and BMW X6 M : Multimedia highlights

 

[Zafiro]

Scott, whats the name of the blue colour for X5?

 

[Merc1]

Sweet jesus, you guys do manage to really make everything negative.

X5 and X6 M exist. Like we will have fuel efficient Ferraris, diesel Porsches, front wheel drive cheap Benzes and whatnot. Move over it, and realise the X6 M is the coolest and fastest SUV ever made.

Yep that is what happens when you've heard so much marketing nonsense for so long about how pure the M "philosophy" was. The back-pedaling list is getting longer and longer now.

Naturally aspirated - gone.
Lightweight - gone.
Manual Transmission - gone.
RWD - gone.

(Mind you these were the very things that AMG and other tuning outfits were derided for not adhering to in the past).

Then we were told that the X6 does fit the M "philosophy" because it was the sportier version of the X5, but when I and others suggested that the X5 should fit too because it is the same damn truck underneath we were told that we didn't know or understand what the M "philosophy", but now....up pops a X5 M also. Now we get a grand excuse about how the X5 M was done for a "few extra customers". Which is in the end what all of this about making money and selling vehicles, not some imaginary crapola about being pure or different.


No wonder is there is so much dissension within the BMW fan ranks. These 2 "Motorsport" vehicles fly in the face of the fanboy, marketing representatives and BMW's own corporate M brand marketing talk alike.

Jive nonsense about how high-torque, forced-induction applications make transmission and cooling components too heavy, increasing vehicle weight too much for a truly sporting experience (this is from BMW's own press release back when the M5/M6 were introduced), yet they bring out just that in nothing other than a pair of SUVs. Can you say hypocrites?


BMW has become just what every resident BMW apologist didn't want it to become, just another German car company. Right along with those FWD Benzes and diesel Porsches we now have 2 turbocharged, AWD, automatic transmission-only, 4000lb +, Motorsport SUVs.


Que the violins for the end of the so-called "M" Philosophy as we've come to know it. All the preaching, all the chest thumping about M was so different has been flushed down the drain.


I just can't believe that some are even willing to possibly accept a "V6" in the next M3! Talk about change.



M

 

[Zafiro]

 

[Mr Robert]

Class "A" post, Merc! I can't give you karma for this one but I salut you anyway!

Yep that is what happens when you've heard so much marketing nonsense for so long about how pure the M "philosophy" was. The back-pedaling list is getting longer and longer now.

Naturally aspirated - gone.
Lightweight - gone.
Manual Transmission - gone.
RWD - gone.

We can almost rule out sportscar as well... Neiter the 1-series (perfectly suited for the job) nor the Z4 gets an M model.

BMW has become just what every resident BMW apologist didn't want it to become, just another German car company. Right along with those FWD Benzes and diesel Porsches we now have 2 turbocharged, AWD, automatic transmission-only, 4000lb +, Motorsport SUVs.

Only difference is that Porsche still makes the 911 GT3/RS and Mercedes has the Black Series. It seems BMW can't muster...

I just can't believe that some are even willing to possibly accept a "V6" in the next M3! Talk about change.

M

V6 M3, el cheapo del cheap!

 

[VroomVroom]

Now those pictures are much better.

 

[martinbo]

Terrific post Marcus, I felt the sting 11 000 kms away. Ouch.

It's harsh but true though...

 

[Mr Robert]

It may go against all I believe in when it comes to motoring, but damn, I love this stance!

 

[martinbo]

It may go against all I believe in when it comes to motoring, but damn, I love this stance!

Aye captain! There's not too much wrong with the way it looks (in a P47 Thunderbolt kinda fashion) it's just the gratuitous use of a badge (that BMW lead us to believe was virtuous) that now contradicts the previously espoused values.

 

[south]

Whoever moans about the downfall of all what the M division used to stand for has to see the bigger picture. As Eni pointed out the change to both FI and DI tech engines is inevitable, even for M cars. Meeting all required emission standards rules out an NA engine as found in the current M3 or M5. So what better way could be chosen to communicate the new concept shift than with the introduction of new (that is with no current drivers/owners who could be annoyed) X M models.

For comparison: The new models have 50hp more power and 160NM more torque than the M5 does, but need 0,5l less per 100km (combined EU standard). Imagine what this engine being combined with KERS can do for the M5. Heavy cars and high revving engines never made a good couple. BMW could only do this in the past because M cars used to be light weight (at least compared to competitors). With every new generation these cars got heavier and the combination with their engines made less sense. Ask a current M5 owner. It's likely he won't tell you about the great character of the engine in the first place, he'll tell you how much this engine guzzles.

So BMW's on the right way. Sure this car may seem pointless to some, but from a marketing POV it's just the right thing. It saves BMW much discussion when the core M models will be introduced and people will have to learn these also come with FI engines.


Best regards, south

 

[martinbo]

Ask anyone who owns a turbocharged car and they'll tell you that: "use the boost and you'll pay at the pumps". 13.9 L / 100 km they claim? Out of a 4.4 litre twin turbo? Yeah right. This thing's going to suck an inordinate amount of juice in press on driving so it's not like we're on to a frugality revelation here.

Can't get away from this, my most favourite of retorts... If you want the horses you must feed them.

Big picture? For the general BMW brand by all means. But for the once hallowed M brand? I feel that the old picture was the definition of clarity. Now, however it's a bit blurred.

 

[coolraoul]

Motors like the fantastic I6 of the e36/46 are equally famous for their power, high-revving character and noise than for their extremely economic aspect compared to the competition. That, without any particular fuel-saving measure.

My bro merely gets 11l/100km, while driving his new e36 M3 (his third...) like a madman. He would consume twice as much with the X6M, if not more.

The 911 does have a flat-6 with sufficient power, and an interesting consumption, and high-revvs in the GT3.


But for you, this X5/6 is merely BMW looking to kill M while remaining mostly unnoticed?...

Here, nobody wants this car, nobody care for it, so its sole purpose is to announce to the world that //M will now make AMG and RS appear like true, noble, uncompromised sportscar maker? (lol)

If yes, that is very sad. But it doesn't change the fact that this car is the negation of what M stood for and announces dark times for //M lovers.

I don't know who said that this looks like a "give-up" by BMW, well that's exactly my feeling.

BMW truly has lost the guts these times. Their most interesting products will soon be their design coffe-machines.

 

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[LaArtist]

Ask anyone who owns a turbocharged car and they'll tell you that: "use the boost and you'll pay at the pumps". 13.9 L / 100 km they claim? Out of a 4.4 litre twin turbo? Yeah right. This thing's going to suck an inordinate amount of juice in press on driving so it's not like we're on to a frugality revelation here.

Can't get away from this, my most favourite of retorts... If you want the horses you must feed them.

Big picture? For the general BMW brand by all means. But for the once hallowed M brand? I feel that the old picture was the definition of clarity. Now, however it's a bit blurred.

yep thats horse shit..13.9
i feel like bmw always overestimate their fuel consumptions..

 

[Tarek]

i feel like bmw always overestimate their fuel consumptions..

It is as our dear BMW owners here has given us the real life input..

And damn Marcus u are unleashed..dare i say show some mercy?..lol

 

[Centurion]

yep thats horse shit..13.9
i feel like bmw always overestimate their fuel consumptions..

Bimmers do in general have better fuel consumption than Mercs and Audis. The M models are special cars meant to be revved high and pushed harder than your average 1.8 Toyota Camry. Therefore the fuel consumption figures for "racing cars" should be taken with a table spoon of salt as the consumption is very relative depending on how much one enjoy the car.

 

[Poverty]

Tuning companies are going to love these Turbo engines from M divison.
Very soon we will see a X6M with
stage 1: 610hp
stage 2: 700hp
stage 3: 850hp

S.U.V Oh tuning companies are going to love this..

not so sure about that Its comon knowledge that bmw do not want their vehicles to be modified by remaps etc and therefore attept to make their ecu's uncrackable like the 335i. The only reason why the 335i was cracked is because 2 employees leaked the code, and for that they are now serving jail time....

 

[Poverty]

Ask anyone who owns a turbocharged car and they'll tell you that: "use the boost and you'll pay at the pumps". 13.9 L / 100 km they claim? Out of a 4.4 litre twin turbo? Yeah right. This thing's going to suck an inordinate amount of juice in press on driving so it's not like we're on to a frugality revelation here.

So so true. To reach the claimed manufacturers figures would be pretty much nig on impossible in the real world. In my cupra im averaging about 26mpg. Put my foot down every now and again and I will see 16mpg. On a racetrack it would be even less.

Grannying it I have seen just over 32mpg at best. Take the manufacturers fuel figures as gospel, and as a owner you will be dissappointed.

 

[south]

Ask anyone who owns a turbocharged car and they'll tell you that: "use the boost and you'll pay at the pumps". 13.9 L / 100 km they claim? Out of a 4.4 litre twin turbo? Yeah right. This thing's going to suck an inordinate amount of juice in press on driving so it's not like we're on to a frugality revelation here.

Can't get away from this, my most favourite of retorts... If you want the horses you must feed them.

Big picture? For the general BMW brand by all means. But for the once hallowed M brand? I feel that the old picture was the definition of clarity. Now, however it's a bit blurred.

Yes, 13.9l. That's the figure according Euro standard. Blame the EU regulation if you want, but that figure - as unrealistic it might be - is the only one BMW or any manufacturer selling cars in Europe has to care about. Both fleet consumption targets (think of the heavy fines companies are going to be charged for not meeting them in the future) and car tax in many European countries are only up to this single figure.


Best regards,
south

 

[Merc1]

And damn Marcus u are unleashed..dare i say show some mercy?..lol

You know they wouldn't show us any if we'd been preaching about how pure Mercedes was all these years and then Mercedes pulled an about face.

I mean really, I think the X6 M is hot as all getout, but spare the pure, Motorsport "Philosophy" nonsense. Now we'll have no more of it.

The new "Philosophy" is to deliver M level performance, but now By Any Means Necessary.


M