M5 [Official] BMW M5 (F90)

[Matski]

M4 DTM is about 0% M4. Bespoke V8, bespoke safety cell, bespoke mountings, bespoke suspension, bespoke body panels.... etc.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

M4 DTM is about 0% M4. Bespoke V8, bespoke safety cell, bespoke mountings, bespoke suspension, bespoke body panels.... etc.

But it has the same rear lights

 

[Centurion]

These days you have the M550i xDrive which is 95% of the M5, with the same engine configuration, 95% the same looks, but 60% the price.

I'm not sure I agree with that. As an M4 owner, I doubt that if you traded down to a 440i you would call it a small 5% loss.

While the G30 is lovely I wouldn't call it very fun and confidence inspiring like M cars. It's unlikely that anyone who drives the M550i and M5 back to back would be left with the impression that the former is an M5 for less money.

Sure the engines and gearbox are very similar but tuning, Active M differential, suspension and steering differences add emotional and visceral pleasure.

 

[martinbo]

That's fine, but in those days there wasn't a very similar performance regular BMW snapping at its heels. These days you have the M550i xDrive which is 95% of the M5, with the same engine configuration, 95% the same looks, but 60% the price. The M5 should have more distinction from the lesser models IMHO.

And yet, it's that 5% which makes the biggest difference.
[BTW, not to split hairs, but I reckon the difference is rather more than 5% between an M550i xDrive and an M5.]

 

[Betty Swollocks]

M4 DTM is about 0% M4. Bespoke V8, bespoke safety cell, bespoke mountings, bespoke suspension, bespoke body panels.... etc.

When @Lupusmajor referred to the "M4 DTM", I assumed he was talking about the M4 DTM Champion Edition, which is a straight-six. It's essentially an M4 GTS with a different paint job...

BMW M4 DTM Champion Edition boosts power to 493bhp

I'm not sure I agree with that. As an M4 owner, I doubt that if you traded down to a 440i you would call it a small 5% loss.

I wouldn't. That's my point.

And yet, it's that 5% which makes the biggest difference.
[BTW, not to split hairs, but I reckon the difference is rather more than 5% between an M550i xDrive and an M5.]

Maybe 5% was hyperbole.

 

[Matski]

When @Lupusmajor referred to the "M4 DTM", I assumed he was talking about the M4 DTM Champion Edition, which is a straight-six. It's essentially an M4 GTS with a different paint job...

Fair enough, I'd assumed he meant the M4 DTM racing car as I'd have thought that stating M4 GTS or even CS would effectively be a more obvious example if he meant the M4 DTM Champion Edition. I shall reclaim my stuck in oar, and leave you to it

 

[Lupusmajor]

Fair enough, I'd assumed he meant the M4 DTM racing car as I'd have thought that stating M4 GTS or even CS would effectively be a more obvious example if he meant the M4 DTM Champion Edition. I shall reclaim my stuck in oar, and leave you to it

You are right. I had I mind BMW M4 DTM racing car. But it's was a JOKE (sarcasem). Because when someone say that M5 is the same car as M550xdrive, you can also say that M4 DTM is the same car as M4. I know that M5 isn't so special anymore as used to be (I'm also sad because of that). But definitely is not the same car as M550i xdrive. Now we are living in different period of time. Now the software is more important as hardware (sadly )and you can do a lot of things with a software. And I'm pretty sure that more as 40% parts of BMW M5 are different to those in BMW M550i xdrive.

P.S Sorry for my English. But I never learned English in my life. That's way I make a lot of mistakes.

 

[Matski]

You are right. I had I mind BMW M4 DTM racing car. But it's was a JOKE (sarcasem). Because when someone say that M5 is the same car as M550xdrive, you can also say that M4 DTM is the same car as M4. I know that M5 isn't so special anymore as used to be (I'm also sad because of that). But definitely is not the same car as M550i xdrive. Now we are living in different period of time. Now the software is more important as hardware (sadly )and you can do a lot of things with a software. And I'm pretty sure that more as 40% parts of BMW M5 are different to those in BMW M550i xdrive.

P.S Sorry for my English. But I never learned English in my life. That's way I make a lot of mistakes.

No worries, I am often too pedantisch when it comes to these things. And don't worry about the English, it's better than my German!

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I don't get it why people are complaining about the looks of the M5. For me, it is exactly what it should be. It is not a Porsche, it is not a Jaguar E type. It's a M5 and even more, it's the best M5 ever, e39 including.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Because when someone say that M5 is the same car as M550xdrive, you can also say that M4 DTM is the same car as M4.

But definitely is not the same car as M550i xdrive.

I never said it was THE SAME. Don't put words in my mouth.

And even if it was a joke, the M4 DTM has no relevance to what I said, as I was comparing an M car with a regular BMW, not two different M cars, one of which is a very limited production track special.

 

[Lupusmajor]

I never said it was THE SAME. Don't put words in my mouth.

And even if it was a joke, the M4 DTM has no relevance to what I said, as I was comparing an M car with a regular BMW, not two different M cars, one of which is a very limited production track special.

Comone.95%. Soory. Big difference.

 

[manuelf]

The difference between the M550i and the M5 is much bigger than first anticipated. Obviously the magic M did to the F90 is extraordinary. Compare the statements of sport auto to both cars! M550i lacks the sportiness. In direct comparison with its contenders (Audi S6, MB E43) it is far more cruiser and shines only with the grunt of its not yet downsized V8, while it lacks on body control, agility, steering and handling ... while the F90 is annihilating its competitors on track (even in non competition pack disguise)
If you read the supertest all the details are amazing. Brakes and ABS setup are best in class by far according to C. Gebhardt (feeling and backed by data). Steering feel is top notch for a 1.9 to sedan. Under the skin there is nothing left from a M550. Every hardware, which is performance related (axles, dampers, stiffening, xdrive system, ecus, engine mounting, ...) is different. So for me a M550i is maybe 65% of a F90

Sidenote: The Supertest F90 almost did the same track (HHR and NS) times as a Ferrari 458 Italia! How crazy is this?

 

[Dawid21]

The Best!
Bmw M5 F90

 

[Sunny]

Nice combination

 

[klier]

That black middle part of the M5 rim is so....

 

[martinbo]

That black middle part of the M5 rim is so....

Agree! All the had to do was paint the wheel in that lovely M anthracite colour (like on E39) and it would look a whole lot better. This is a bit too Spiderman emblem for my tastes.

 

[Mii]

Would have been nicer if F90 M5 opt for wider rear wheel than 285 with flared rear fender. The rear quarter panel view looked too modest.

 

[klier]

Agree! All the had to do was paint the wheel in that lovely M anthracite colour (like on E39) and it would look a whole lot better.

Shadow chrome. It makes me cry just thinking about it's beauty

Would have been nicer if F90 M5 opt for wider rear wheel than 285 with flared rear fender. The rear quarter panel view looked too modest.

We've been over this several times already, but that's not the M5's thing. The M5's thing is stealth.

 

[Mii]

We've been over this several times already, but that's not the M5's thing. The M5's thing is stealth.

We know it's been mentioned many times in this thread , and hopefully BMW is reading this and offer option for LCI model. 285 is M3/M4 width, 295 was F10 M5 width, it just seemed odd BMW chose narrower 285 setup for F90 M5 even with Competition package. It could be due to AWD staggered setup that intended to minimize the wheel size difference (front vs rear), or F90 M5 designed with wider rear wheel track, which limits wider wheel/tire setup without scratching the inner fender. IMHO, BMW can still flare the rear fender a bit (minimalist), yet kept it stealth.

 

[SCOTT27]

M5 on show at the investors AGM.