A1/S1 Official: Audi A1

[footie]

As you might be aware the A1 quattro model has been confirmed by Audi and to run the 182ps 1.4TFSI, so this paves the way for an S and RS model if Audi see a marketing opportunity. But what output will these model need to make?

If you look at Audi's nearest A/S/RS line for ideas you will see the most power A3 2.0TFSI has 200ps, the S3 has 265ps which is an increase of 32.5% and the RS3 has 340ps which is an additional increase of 28.3%. Using these as possible guidelines of what might happen it could possibly mean the S1 having 240ps and the RS1 with 300hp.

Food for thought, no doubt the chassis with the addition of haldex could easily cope with these kind of figures.

 

[braaf]

Hats off to the marketing team that have promoted the brand over these years, it's them that have made the Mini the strong product it is today.

What did it for me and I'm sure many other people, was seeing the Mini in the remake of the Italian job. I see it today (movie) and I wanna go get a Cooper S.

 

[footie]

What did it for me and I'm sure many other people, was seeing the Mini in the remake of the Italian job. I see it today (movie) and I wanna go get a Cooper S.

All companies understand the benefits of movies but in the case of the Italian Job (the original with Michael Cann) it was such an iconic film and many would case was the first film to truly promote a motorcar to the extent that most remember the film because of the orginial Mini. With the remake there really was no other car that could have been used, it's a bit like Aston Martin and James Bond.

 

[klier]

Without a doubt both the A1 and the future 1 series (fwd) are/will be a better car than the Mini is overall.

Firstly, I sure hope you aren't comparing the A1 to the 1er.
Secondly, A1 will never be on Mini level.
Thirdly, FWD 1er....?? What in God's name are you talking about??

 

[footie]

Firstly, I sure hope you aren't comparing the A1 to the 1er.
Secondly, A1 will never be on Mini level.
Thirdly, FWD 1er....?? What in God's name are you talking about??

Fristly, Klier we all are aware of your opinion that no Audi compares to a BMW.

And secondly I stopped listening after your first point.

 

[south]

As you might be aware the A1 quattro model has been confirmed by Audi and to run the 182ps 1.4TFSI, so this paves the way for an S and RS model if Audi see a marketing opportunity. But what output will these model need to make?

Nope, you got the engine for the A1 Quattro wrong. Audi officially said that it'll get the 2.0TFSI and "way more than 200 PS". For now, they only plan a limited production of 500 units to test the waters. But I'm sure you knew all that already.


Best regards,
south

 

[Giannis]

Fristly, Klier we all are aware of your opinion that no Audi compares to a BMW.

And secondly I stopped listening after your first point.

Well, that's not very wise, because indeed klier is right.

Unless you are not reading the BMW forums lately, which you do, you should know that the next generation 1 series will be based on the same modular platform with the next generation 3 series.

That makes both models RWD

 

[footie]

Nope, you got the engine for the A1 Quattro wrong. Audi officially said that it'll get the 2.0TFSI and "way more than 200 PS". For now, they only plan a limited production of 500 units to test the waters. But I'm sure you knew all that already.


Best regards,
south

Thanks for sharing this info, all I have is that the production version when it comes will run a 1.4TFSI of 182ps though no limit was placed on it's number.

A 2.0TFSI version would remind me more of what would end up in the S1.

 

[footie]

Audi A1 quattro details

More details released at Audi’s 30th anniversary of quattro event in Montreal, Canada.

Auto Express Car Reviews

By Tom Phillips

11th January 2011


Audi’s four-wheel-drive A1 is still 12 months away, but that hasn’t stopped the firm from rolling out a prototype of its smallest quattro in the snows of Canada.


The one-off development car is one of the stars of the ‘Fascination of quattro' event taking place in Montreal to celebrate the past, present and future of the four-wheel-drive system.


The A1 with quattro was confirmed at the Paris Motor Show last year. The newcomer uses a Haldex system similar to that of the A3 and TT. That means that the A1 remains in front-wheel drive most of the time, but when the going gets slippy, an electronically controlled, multi-plate clutch located in front of the rear axle can instantly transfer power to the back axle too, giving the full benefit of four-wheel drive.


Under the bonnet, the A1 quattro will use a 182bhp version of the VW Group’s 1.4-litre turbocharged and supercharged engine initially, with a 1.6-litre TDI diesel model being added in some markets. An S1 comes later, and will feature a 220bhp 1.6-litre FSI unit.


To mark out the A1 quattro, the car gets a subtly larger rear wing and comes in top-spec S Line trim like the prototype pictured.


____________________________________________________________

Funny there's no mention of the 2.0TFSI.

 

[south]

Funny there's no mention of the 2.0TFSI.

Google Translate

"Im Herbst 2011 startet Audi eine Kleinserie von rund 500 Exemplaren mit einem Zweiliter-Turbo Direkteinspritzer und deutlich mehr als 200 PS."

Google translate:
"In the fall 2011 Audi launches a small series of around 500 copies with a two-liter turbo direct-injection [engine] and well over 200 hp."

Google Translate

"Während die beiden A1 quattro-Prototypen noch mit dem 1,4-Liter-Turbobenziner und 186 PS ausgestattet sind, soll die Serienversion erheblich mehr Dampf bekommen. Audi plant, den aus dem A3, A4, A5 und A6 bekannten 2,0-Liter-Vierzylinder-Turbo zu implantieren."

Google translate:
"While the two A1 quattro prototypes are still equipped with the 1.4-liter turbo gasoline engine and 186 hp, the production version will have considerably more power. Audi plans to implant [the] familiar 2.0-liter four-cylinder turbo."


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

I think the point I was trying to make here was that you made the claim I was wrong (again) but I stated to you it was the information I had at the time, now it appears the the UK press are also getting the same wrong information or you may be wrong on this occasion.

Maybe you guys should get off my case and stop trying to discredit everything I say because I am only posting what I am told (rightly or not) and have no hidden agenda.

 

[south]

You know, Footie, it's all about backing up claims we make. You initially said Audi had confirmed the 1.4 for the Audi Quattro, but nowhere can I see official confirmation of this claim. To the contrary, two German outlets report the 2.0TFSI will make it, and they even cite Audi board member Michael Diek that the car would have "way more than 200hp".

I have no reason to believe this information is wrong, and even if it is, it's pretty clear that I wasn't talking out of my rearend, but just believed something a magazine attending the predrive event and which turned out to be wrong (doubtful).

In short, your latest effort to actually cite a source for things you claim is much appreciated. I hope this is a good sign you took the recent reminder seriously and don't fall back to your old scheme of claiming this or that without any effort to back it up with quotes, links, etc.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

I am sure that Autoexpress and the two outlets you chose to use were all at the same event in Canada, talking to the same representatives with in Audi, why they are coming up with completely different conclusions is beyond me. But as I said earlier in the thread I only heard about the 1.4TFSI and never heard about the 2.0TFSI.

I sent you a PM, please respond to this.

Thanks.

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

I think the point I was trying to make here was that you made the claim I was wrong (again) but I stated to you it was the information I had at the time, now it appears the the UK press are also getting the same wrong information or you may be wrong on this occasion.

Maybe you guys should get off my case and stop trying to discredit everything I say because I am only posting what I am told (rightly or not) and have no hidden agenda.

Footie!

You have got it wrong...again!

We have given you many warnings about making false claims, but you just don't seem to listen.

Please stop this because it's getting to a point where it's no longer entertaining and just dilutes the quality of this forum.

Also, don't blame us for your foolishness and don't ask us to stop correcting you. If we see that someone is wrong, then we are perfectly entitled to correct that member.

Ultimately, it's not us that should change but you.

 

[footie]

Footie!

You have got it wrong...again!

We have given you many warnings about making false claims, but you just don't seem to listen.

Please stop this because it's getting to a point where it's no longer entertaining and just dilutes the quality of this forum.

Also, don't blame us for your foolishness and don't ask us to stop correcting you. If we see that someone is wrong, then we are perfectly entitled to correct that member.

Ultimately, it's not us that should change but you.

The information I gave was exactly the same as the UK press have reported which either proves it was indeed correct or we were both given incorrect information from an Audi insider.

If you are stating that the information I provided was wrong (again) then back up this claim with hard evidence.

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

The information I gave was exactly the same as the UK press have reported which either proves it was indeed correct or we were both given incorrect information from an Audi insider.

If you are stating that the information I provided was wrong (again) then back up this claim with hard evidence.

Yes footie, you were wrong. Those Autobild articles combined with a direct quote from Michael Dick (Audi's chief engineer) proves this.

Don't try and blame this on your source, cos ultimately you were wrong.

 

[footie]

Yes footie, you were wrong. Those Autobild articles combined with a direct quote from Michael Dick (Audi's chief engineer) proves this.

Don't try and blame this on your source, cos ultimately you were wrong.

You are aware are you not that Autoexpress and Autobild are from the same publishing house?

Don't you think it rather odd that the sister magazine would be publishing conflicting information?

Also to the best of my knowledge Michael Dick's hints were made not at this event but previously, around the time when the 1.6L engine rumors were made and the reason for the 1.6L was an interest to enter the Polo into rallying?

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

You are aware are you not that Autoexpress and Autobild are from the same publishing house?

Don't you think it rather odd that the sister magazine would be publishing conflicting information?

Also to the best of my knowledge Michael Dick's hints were made not at this event but previously, around the time when the 1.6L engine rumors were made and the reason for the 1.6L was an interest to enter the Polo into rallying?

Really footie! Really?

AutoExpress is Dennis Publishing:

Dennis Publishing - Auto Express

AutoBild is from Axel Springer Publishing:

Axel Springer AG

Looking at those names alone, i don't think they're the same "publishing house".

If both magazines are from different publishers, why would they need to share the same information?

And who would you rather beleive, rumours or Michael Dick (again, Audi's chief engineer)?

Again, you are wrong! wrong! wrong!

Stop lying!

 

[Monster]

Really footie! Really?

Please calm down, and leave it to the moderators, we are looking into this issue seriously.

 

[footie]

Really footie! Really?

You know exactly what I mean, Autobild and Autoexpress are one and the same, Axel Springer does the publishing in Europe and Dennis does it in the UK but they are still one and the same pulling and sharing information at they get it as they do with all the other publications Autobild run in different countries throughout Europe. And as both are indeed the same is it not fair to assume that both had the same information from Michael Dick.

If you are calling me wrong then you are calling Autoexpress wrong and in turn questioning the information provided by Autobild which is after all your evidence for your claim.