Valkyrie [Official] Aston Martin - From AM-RB 001 to Valkyrie


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The Spaniards Valkyrie broke down only ONE hour after being delivered…

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He added some nice personal touches, but I'm not feeling the matte green.
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He added some nice personal touches, but I'm not feeling the matte green.
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Who says the car broke, though? Maybe it was just so awful that he couldn't be bothered to drive it back home! ;)
 
I'd put my money on good old engine overheat. IIRC they engineered the venturi flaps to vent hot air out of the engine bay, but I'm thinking this was still not enough for a very hot day of driving at pedestrian speeds around Monaco.
 
Looks hardly different to me. And even overall, there seem to be very few differences between the normal car and the "track pack". Originally the track pack was said to be track only, but as you've pointed out, we see it on street cars anyway.

More to the point, what is the track pack even supposed to do when they are hard limiting the amount of downforce the normal car makes anyway to protect tires? A nice cosmetic upgrade?
 
I have no idea what the Track pack really is about. It makes no sense to add more downforce when they are right at the tire load limit with the standard car already (with enough safety margin for banked corners or compressions).
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If it was purely cosmetic, I don't think Newey would have specced his personal car with that.

More vents in front fenders and more angle of attack of the spoiler to keep it balanced. AND less ride height to make the underbody even more effective. On the same tires! Insanity!

I think the only way it works is if they lied about the stats of the standard car completely and the 1,100 kg at 220 kph is only achievable using the Track Pack configuration.
 
I have no idea what the Track pack really is about. It makes no sense to add more downforce when they are right at the tire load limit with the standard car already (with enough safety margin for banked corners or compressions).
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If it was purely cosmetic, I don't think Newey would have specced his personal car with that.

More vents in front fenders and more angle of attack of the spoiler to keep it balanced. AND less ride height to make the underbody even more effective. On the same tires! Insanity!

I think the only way it works is if they lied about the stats of the standard car completely and the 1,100 kg at 220 kph is only achievable using the Track Pack configuration.
To me it looks like what Porsche is doing with Weisesach package. Slightly less weight, slightly more downforce.
At the rear it's not only the top of the wing that is different, but also rear vents underneath the taillights are larger.
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Newey's car seems to have an extra pair of front cannards above the splitter.
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Front fenders are obviously very different, it must be a lot of extra air pressure that needs to be released from the front wheel well. Track pack has extra "air guides" beside the fenders.
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The way I see it, these are the possible scenarios for Valkyrie Track Pack:
  1. As I mentioned above, AM lied about downforce and their claims for the standard car really are stats of the Track Pack.
    I don't even want to believe this. It'd be very disappointing if true.

  2. Track Pack has more potent aero (than standard car's claim), peak df number stays identical but is reached at a lower speed.
    It could be capped to something like 1,100 kg at 200 kph (equivalent of 1,700 kg at 250 kph). This would make it faster in the slow corners. But it's nowhere as crazy as some journalists have reported the downforce of the Track Pack to be (Lieberman said it has 1,900 kg peak 🤡).
    << This is the most likely scenario.

  3. Track Pack has more potent aero (than standard car's claim), and the peak df number is higher.
    This means they are cutting it even closer to the tire limit, and now the safety margin is something like 500 kg.
    This could mean peak of about 1,300 kg at 220 kph (equivalent of 1,700 kg at 250 kph).

Couple of extra wacky theories:

- The bottom of the car was said to be designed by Newey and the top half of the car designed by Miles Nurnberger. I'm thinking that Track Pack is closer to the original Valkyrie proposal, with more design input from Newey. Aston Martin decided against this and went with the more elegant final design instead.
The existence of the Track Pack is a concession made by Aston Martin, to let Newey have his concept as an option.

- Track Pack was engineered around bespoke tires (slicks) with higher load rating. Sadly AM's dire financial situation meant they had to cancel this plan, as they couldn't afford any further development. But they wanted to recoup some of the already spent money, and so they offered the kit to customers anyway. After all, it's still faster than the standard car, but without proper tires it's essentially like having Usain Bolt compete in racewalking.

- Both the standard car and the Track Pack were meant to be much lighter than 1,355 kg wet. Imagine if they managed to keep it to about 1,100 kg instead (in fact their weight target was 1,000 kg).
They could then easily afford almost 1,400 kg all the way up to 250 kph on the very same tires. Now, this would make it quite extreme. So much so, that this would warrant existence of a separate version for the most hardcore customers, while everyone else would get much more conservative car.
As the development went on, the cars got heavier and more stringent caps on downforce had to be introduced. Yet somehow the Track Pack managed to find its way into production.


BTW, one thing I've never understood about standard Valkyrie, and what I've never seen anyone attempt to explain, is why there's different df limits for braking and cornering. Active aero limits df when cornering to 750 kg up to 220 kph (equivalent of 968 kg at 250 kph). If 1,100 kg of df is safe for braking, why isn't it safe for cornering?
Is it just the weight transfer putting more load to one side only?
I would understand limiting cornering downforce if they were only working the inside half of the aero elements (two front wing elements, two rear spoiler elements, two diffuser flaps), to keep more natural balance side-to-side. But I've never seen that on any of their cars. All the aero elements are synced between left and right.

but also rear vents underneath the taillights are larger.
I don't see any difference there.
 
BTW, one thing I've never understood about standard Valkyrie, and what I've never seen anyone attempt to explain, is why there's different df limits for braking and cornering. Active aero limits df when cornering to 750 kg up to 220 kph (equivalent of 968 kg at 250 kph). If 1,100 kg of df is safe for braking, why isn't it safe for cornering?
Oh, there is a very simple explanation for that (for once) - the tire deforms a lot more laterally than longitudinally.
 
It's still a surprisingly big difference. If they need over a metric ton worth of safety margin for max cornering load, then that makes me wonder whether Senna really generates 800 kg during cornering. Because McLaren never mentioned any context of that number. It could very well be a peak df with air brake deployed.
If I then applied the same logic Aston used on Valkyrie, Senna could only manage about 500 kg of downforce in corners (at 250 kph). 🤔

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Now this is something. Question is for how long again? Hopefully long enough so he can also contribute to a sequel to Valkyrie&RB17.
Newey has been hired by Stroll's F1 team (which is not owned by AM), not by Aston Martin. Maybe he could consult on some Aston Martin road car project, like the Valhalla which he started anyway, but given the current state of the F1 team, I think he is gonna be very busy.
 
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Autocar had Newey on their podcast. They also touched on Valkyrie a tiny bit:
I thoroughly enjoyed the Valkyrie project. It didn't turn out quite the way we would have liked, in truth. For various reasons.
I was hoping that there would be a great synergy between us, as a Formula One team, and Aston Martin. That we could pull out the best of both of each other. In truth, it didn't work out that way.
Which is why in doing our second project, the RB17, it was determined that it should be a totally in-house project. And that's in no way criticism of Aston Martin at all. I think it's just that the realization I came to, is that we're very different industries that have very different ways ways of working. And it would have taken a lot longer than we had to properly marry those two together.
Gordon Murray, who I have lot of respect for and is a good friend, he came to exactly the same conclusion when he tried to do the Mercedes SLR project at McLaren. It's just different. So I think I wouldn't want to get involved in another road car project with a race car team.

(different point of interview, talking about RB17)
...We're now out of the research age and well into the design phase. But the phase after that, of course, is development. But also how you operate the cars, how you service them, the whole customer experience. And the danger is, which perhaps we fell into that trap with Valkyrie, with hindsight... Is if you don't worry about those aspects until you've finished the design phase, then you may have made the car more difficult to service, or more expensive to service, and so forth... Than if you considered it at the research and design stage.
So that's what we're now doing. Trying to make sure that it's a not only a great engineering product, but it's also a product which the customers can enjoy and won't find too expensive to run, or too difficult to run. And it will indeed have longevity, because cars like this, you want them to still be around and running in 25 years time, really. So trying to choose suppliers that we believe will still be able to continue to supply those parts in 25 years is important.
 
Here's a random though...

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I saw this photo of Newey driving his Valkyrie Track Pack on instagram (sorry about missing credit, I can't remember who posted it) and it caught my attention how much body roll there is.
The corner appears to be Luffied of Silverstone, so that's not even very high speed corner - he can't be doing any more than 120 kph through there. Yet the wing is almost touching and the rubber seal on the barge board actually is in contact with the surface.

I know Aston Martin said they didn't want to remove the handling feedback by making the car corner totally flat, but I just can't stop wondering how well all that anti-squat, anti-dive and anti-roll really works, if the car leans this much. Especially given the purpose of all those gubbins is to provide stable aero platform.
Or maybe it's just the case where the car's predictive active suspension control unit has not yet learned the track by reading the driver's inputs, and it's only in subsequent laps that it is able to apply appropriate adjustment of the hydraulic suspension in every corner.

There's still so much mystery about the inner workings of this car. Sadly, it really does feel like we won't get to learn about it for at least couple of years from now, as no owner is apparently willing to lend his car to a magazine any time soon. 😞
 
Here's a random though...

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I saw this photo of Newey driving his Valkyrie Track Pack on instagram (sorry about missing credit, I can't remember who posted it) and it caught my attention how much body roll there is.
The corner appears to be Luffied of Silverstone, so that's not even very high speed corner - he can't be doing any more than 120 kph through there. Yet the wing is almost touching and the rubber seal on the barge board actually is in contact with the surface.

I know Aston Martin said they didn't want to remove the handling feedback by making the car corner totally flat, but I just can't stop wondering how well all that anti-squat, anti-dive and anti-roll really works, if the car leans this much. Especially given the purpose of all those gubbins is to provide stable aero platform.
Or maybe it's just the case where the car's predictive active suspension control unit has not yet learned the track by reading the driver's inputs, and it's only in subsequent laps that it is able to apply appropriate adjustment of the hydraulic suspension in every corner.

There's still so much mystery about the inner workings of this car. Sadly, it really does feel like we won't get to learn about it for at least couple of years from now, as no owner is apparently willing to lend his car to a magazine any time soon. 😞
they do have adjustable levels of adaptability, maybe this was driven not in full active mode, i do remember one review which included the step-up process to full attack mode and mentioned that it felt weird with full active suspension, i just can't remember which review it was
 

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