DB12 Aston Martin DB12, DB12 Volante, DB12-S, DB12-S Volante

[Merc1]

I haven't read the context of your guys discussion, But lack of Adroid Auto/Carplay would be a big deal for me. You may think I'm mad, but why should I pay a fortune for a disposable luxury item that lacks some pretty basic functionality which has become a part of everyday life. It's not like these Aston's are collector vehicles. They are high end, highly depreciating luxury vehicles that should be offering the latest in terms of luxury and technology. Especially if they are all targeting younger clientelle.

The same would be the case if they lacked things like radar cruise, blind spot assistance etc. It took Porsche and the Italians a number of years to get on board with the need to offer these features on their vehicles, even if they are optional. The new 12 Cilindris will all come with high end Burmester systems and Carplay/Adroid Auto as standard.

Yeah it's nuts to me friend. If I could afford a car like a DB12 I wouldn't give a rats ass about car play/Android Auto as it has zero to do with the enjoyment of such a car. Those other features are nonsense, blind spot assistance is a crutch for people who can't drive. What did the world do before all this nonsense came along? There are too many people on the road now who don't even bother to look, they move over and if it beeps they go back into their lane, if it doesn't beep they make the lane change. It's creating worse, zombie drivers, not better drivers. People can't park, switch lanes or even bother to pay attention to cars ahead of them now because of all this junk. No one is buying a 12 Cilindris because of it's sound system or infotainment, it's the V12 and the design.

M

 

[martinbo]

I'm with Marcus on this one: Apple Carplay and Android Auto are at the bottom of my list of essentials for a car like a DB12, 911 or a 296 for that matter. Apple Carplay in my wife's BMW works nicely but Android Auto in mine is a disaster. I never use it, and that's in a car I use on a daily basis for business travel. I wouldn't give those phone app integrations a second thought in a GTS 4.0.

On the other matter of additional safety systems - such as blind spot monitoring and lane assist - I'm all for them. Not for me but for the denizens of brainless, incompetent motorists out there. Some of whom are so addicted to their f#cking phones that they can't take a drive to work without picking up their devices and texting away. Such systems can only make the roads a safer place for conscientious drivers.

 

[Design FIRST]

It's not like these Aston's are collector vehicles. They are high end, highly depreciating luxury vehicles that should be offering the latest in terms of luxury and technology.

Interesting to note is that an estimated 90% of all Aston Martins ever produced are still registered road cars. This surpasses Porsches figure of some 70% and equals that of Ferrari.

And as to whether an Aston Martin will become a collectors vehicle or not, that would very much depend on the particular model and the amount of units produced. Interesting is that the DB7, from the era in which AM was part of the FoMoCo Premium Auto Group, is beginning to be much sought and hence prices for those cars are beginning to improve considerably. This is surprising some naysayers that have claimed that the DB7 wasn't an "authentic" Aston Martin.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Yeah it's nuts to me friend. If I could afford a car like a DB12 I wouldn't give a rats ass about car play/Android Auto as it has zero to do with the enjoyment of such a car. Those other features are nonsense, blind spot assistance is a crutch for people who can't drive. What did the world do before all this nonsense came along? There are too many people on the road now who don't even bother to look, they move over and if it beeps they go back into their lane, if it doesn't beep they make the lane change. It's creating worse, zombie drivers, not better drivers. People can't park, switch lanes or even bother to pay attention to cars ahead of them now because of all this junk. No one is buying a 12 Cilindris because of it's sound system or infotainment, it's the V12 and the design.

M

Lol for sure no one is buying many of these cars for those ammenities. But what is required depends on the brand, and for the proposition that an Aston is, I expect them.

If I ever buy an Aston, I expect it to at least provide me with an immersive UI experience including beautiful sound reproduction and resolved driver assitance technolgoy. That is a part of its luxury to me. I want cutting edge tech alongside the beautiful design and crafstmanship. I don't see enough merit in its 'sporty' credentials.

On a 911, I love the fact that you can now have most, if not all of the mod cons. It's a brilliant drive, and I don't have to sacrifice functionality and can drive the car as my daily.

On a Ferrari, it's not going to make or break the purchase decision, but at least the technology is being made available for those willing to pay for it.

But I guess my take on the matter is a bit off as technological innovation has always been an attraction for me and my affinity for a brand like Mercedes stems in part from that focus.

 

[Merc1]

Lol for sure no one is buying many of these cars for those ammenities. But what is required depends on the brand, and for the proposition that an Aston is, I expect them.

If I ever buy an Aston, I expect it to at least provide me with an immersive UI experience including beautiful sound reproduction and resolved driver assitance technolgoy. That is a part of its luxury to me. I want cutting edge tech alongside the beautiful design and crafstmanship. I don't see enough merit in its 'sporty' credentials.

On a 911, I love the fact that you can now have most, if not all of the mod cons. It's a brilliant drive, and I don't have to sacrifice functionality and can drive the car as my daily.

On a Ferrari, it's not going to make or break the purchase decision, but at least the technology is being made available for those willing to pay for it.

But I guess my take on the matter is a bit off as technological innovation has always been an attraction for me and my affinity for a brand like Mercedes stems in part from that focus.

Why would you expect them on an Aston when they were never cutting edge or good at those things? I would bet it still doesn’t work as good as in a Toyota. Mercedes is supposed to give you cutting edge interior tech, not Aston Martin. You’ll be alright without all that junk.

M

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Why would you expect them on an Aston when they were never cutting edge or good at those things? I would bet it still doesn’t work as good as in a Toyota. Mercedes is supposed to give you cutting edge interior tech, not Aston Martin. You’ll be alright without all that junk.

M

Simple. The market has changed and the buyers of these vehicles are much younger than ever before. If Ferrari can see the need to adapt and standardise these features, Aston's only excuse is a lack of resources.

I simply would not pay that sort of money for what I feel is now a pretty basic feature. It's omission would actually be embarrassing IMO.

Anyway, I'm sure Aston will have no problem finding buyers who don't care.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Interesting to note is that an estimated 90% of all Aston Martins ever produced are still registered road cars. This surpasses Porsches figure of some 70% and equals that of Ferrari.

Resales so bad, buyers have to hold on to them for their dear bank accounts? LOL

 

[Merc1]

Simple. The market has changed and the buyers of these vehicles are much younger than ever before. If Ferrari can see the need to adapt and standardise these features, Aston's only excuse is a lack of resources.

I simply would not pay that sort of money for what I feel is now a pretty basic feature. It's omission would actually be embarrassing IMO.

Anyway, I'm sure Aston will have no problem finding buyers who don't care.

Yeah we just disagree on this one. If I could afford an Aston I'm not walking over car play or blind spot assistance.

M

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Yeah we just disagree on this one. If I could afford an Aston I'm not walking over car play or blind spot assistance.

M

Lol.

Finances permitting, I'd get a beautifully equipped 911 turbo, have all the gizmo's I want and pocket the change, happily knowing my car isn't going to be worth half its price or less in 3 years.

Or perhaps a nice 296 GTB...

 

[Merc1]

Lol.

Finances permitting, I'd get a beautifully equipped 911 turbo, have all the gizmo's I want and pocket the change, happily knowing my car isn't going to be worth half its price or less in 3 years.

Or perhaps a nice 296 GTB...

That doesn't have anything to do with any gizmos. Porsche and Ferrari resale isn't because of carplay or blind spot monitoring so I don't see the relevance.

M

 

[klier]

You’ll be alright without all that junk.

M

For sure!
Better off in fact.

Still I dislike the whole AM line-up. Bloated exteriors and ugly interiors. The facelift of the DB11 only improved the front IMO.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

That doesn't have anything to do with any gizmos. Porsche and Ferrari resale isn't because of carplay or blind spot monitoring so I don't see the relevance.

M

I'm not expressing myself well Marcus. The resale factor is a separate issue.

With regards to tech, on this forum, my POV is certainly in the minority.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

 

[Yaz]

I miss the analog instrument cluster with Power Beauty Soul message displayed on it.

 

[slicknick]

I miss the analog instrument cluster with Power Beauty Soul message displayed on it.

In real life, it was quite hard to read when the sun struck directly onto the speedometer pods, but it sure looks classy as it gets

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

In real life, it was quite hard to read when the sun struck directly onto the speedometer pods, but it sure looks classy as it gets

The design and finish of the interior were stunning. But the flex and creaks from dashboard, door and switchgear elements, when pressed with moderate pressure, was entirely unexpected. my experience with Aston's is non existent, but the DB12 lacked underlying interior build solidity. A bit like the last generation of ICE Mercedes. Beautiful interiors to look at, with suspect underlying solidity.

I understand in European and other overseas markets the pricing is different, but in Australia a $200k premium over an AMG GT63 or $140k over a 911 GTS, combined with terrible resale credentials, limit the DB12s appeal for me.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Oh, I would add the infotainment and driver UI are rubbish. Amazing sound system though.

 

[Dzonis88]

Could this work on a Aston Martin DB12?

https://thecarplayer.com/collection...rplay-aston-martin-vantage-db11-dbs-2018-2020

 

[Jonathan19]

DB12 AMR Prototypes

New Aston DB12 AMR spied Nordschleife testing

The last DB11 AMR was really good, the DB12 is great - time to get excited about an uprated one...

www.pistonheads.com

 

[Jonathan19]

The DB12 AMR have a V12!?

https://carbuzz.com/spied-aston-martin-db12-amr-v12-prototype/