DB11 [Official] Aston Martin DB 11

[Wunderkind]

503bhp only? That's the standard GT-S state of tune.

Looks like AM doesn't want the V8 little brother to tread on the toes of the V12 big brother.

 

[martinbo]

503bhp only? That's the standard GT-S state of tune.

Looks like AM doesn't want the V8 little brother to tread on the toes of the V12 big brother.

Absolutely - what else could one expect - and can you blame them? Such are the perils of installing one of the world's greatest engines into a lesser model. Unbridled, the AMG V8 could render the V12 superfluous in all aspects barring acoustics and character.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Absolutely - what else could one expect - and can you blame them? Such are the perils of installing one of the world's greatest engines into a lesser model. Unbridled, the AMG V8 could render the V12 superfluous in all aspects barring acoustics and character.

Well, the fellows in Gaydon could consider sourcing the S 65 AMG-derived BRABUS Rockets' V12 for the "upper" DB 11. That would unequivocally establish a "proper" hierarchy.

 

[martinbo]

Well, the fellows in Gaydon could consider sourcing the S 65 AMG-derived BRABUS Rockets' V12 for the "upper" DB 11. That would unequivocally establish a "proper" hierarchy.

Methinks that the current bi-turbo V12 (being technically more advanced than Merc's ageing V12) has been deliberately "under-tuned" in this early stage of its life-cycle. I reckon there's plenty of room for more in this mill...

 

[Grosser]

So the V8 from AMG is now in DB11, but what about Aston Martin V12? Will AMG use AMs 5.2l V12 because it's 10 years ahead of 6.0l V12 from AMG?

 

[Wunderkind]

Methinks that the current bi-turbo V12 (being technically more advanced than Merc's ageing V12) has been deliberately "under-tuned" in this early stage of its life-cycle. I reckon there's plenty of room for more in this mill...

That could well be the case. But I think the output of the engine is also limited by the cooling capacity of the radiators. The engine is quite large and there is not much space for larger radiators or space for air to move around in the engine compartment.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

So the V8 from AMG is now in DB11, but what about Aston Martin V12? Will AMG use AMs 5.2l V12 because it's 10 years ahead of 6.0l V12 from AMG?

An interesting propostion.

And yet, I would imagine that M-B would be reluctant to source a V12 primarily developed by a British company that absorbed the legendary Cosworth Engineering after former owner Mahle Powertrain decided that C.E. was surplus to its' requirements. Oh yes, the A-M 5.2L twin turbo V12 is assembled on a Ford Cologne assembly line reserved exclusively for that particular engine. Although there is a more distant German Link, I could envisage a long rumoured cooperation between M-B and BMW regarding the joint developement of a brand new V12 as a more likely option. But hey, what are the actual prospects of the sustainabilty of V12 engines anyway ?

Of course, in the age of pooling resources, the notion is hardly unthinkable.

 

[Grosser]

An interesting propostion.

And yet, I would imagine that M-B would be reluctant to source a V12 primarily developed by a British company that absorbed the legendary Cosworth Engineering after former owner Mahle Powertrain decided that C.E. was surplus to its' requirements. Oh yes, the A-M 5.2L twin turbo V12 is assembled on a Ford Cologne assembly line reserved exclusively for that particular engine. Although there is a more distant German Link, I could envisage a long rumoured cooperation between M-B and BMW regarding the joint developement of a brand new V12 as a more likely option. But hey, what are the actual prospects of the sustainabilty of V12 engines anyway ?

Of course, in the age of pooling resources, the notion is hardly unthinkable.

I thought old NA V12 from AM were from Ford and this brand new biturbo isn't? BMW has RR so they must develop V12s, same for the Audi with W12s and Bentley. I don't know how much longer they are going to use that 6.0 engine, they need to find partner soon.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I thought old NA V12 from AM were from Ford and this brand new biturbo isn't?

AM took the old 6.0 V12 (Actually 5.9L, if my terrible memory serves me) shortened the stroke and added couple of turbos. I'm sure they did further mods to the engine, but I'll let the more technical-minded on this board fill in those gaps.

 

[Giannis]

I think it still looks odd!

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I'd imagine if one needed to add oil in a pinch, that brace would make it a challenge.

 

[sako97]

I’d be willing to wager that even detuned to 503hp, the V8 is quicker than the V12 in the real world

Similar situation with the GTC4 Lusso V12 and the GTC4 T, which is the new entry level 3.9L V8 from the 488, detuned to 600hp.

 

[donkeykong]

I think it still looks odd!

I think it looks better!

 

[Centurion]

I’d be willing to wager that even detuned to 503hp, the V8 is quicker than the V12 in the real world.

Ditto! I would happily trade a 25Nm defecit for a 115kg weight reduction. Sure 503hp looks alot less than 600hp but the torque is similar and delivery of it is likely to be more linear in the V8 which will result in better real life performance.

It's a similar story with the F-Type whereby the V6 offer better balance than the V8.

Customers who value prestige and want a once in a lifetime opportunity to own a V12 GT before they become instinct, will choose the loud V12.

 

[klier]

Not so hot, with ugly interior:

Very hot, with manual gearbox:

They also had a GT12, but that one was without a manual...

 

[bum-man]

Terrible touch pad integration.

 

[Centurion]

I saw it for the first time today. In person, the vent on the front fenders isn't an eye sore. The car looks good, sleek and as much as a bond car as you would expect. While it has the hard-edged cool factor of a Lambo, it lacks the sensuality and sexiness of the DB9.

Nevertheless, the designer have done an admirable job succeeding what's probably one of the beautiful cars ever made.

 

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[klier]

I saw it for the first time today. In person, the vent on the front fenders isn't an eye sore. The car looks good, sleek and as much as a bond car as you would expect. While it has the hard-edged cool factor of a Lambo, it lacks the sensuality and sexiness of the DB9.

Nevertheless, the designer have done an admirable job succeeding what's probably one of the beautiful cars ever made.

I thought it was awkward as hell. Nice car, just not for an Aston Martin IMO

And the interior is highly depressing. Something from the 90s wrapped in leather.

 

[sako97]

I thought it was awkward as hell. Nice car, just not for an Aston Martin IMO

And the interior is highly depressing. Something from the 90s wrapped in leather.

Agreed, someone needs to tell that AM wrapping everything in leather won't guarantee that it'll look nice or expensive.

I'm holding out for the new Vantage to have a cleaner, naturally attractive exterior and interior. The Valkyrie, or how ever you spell it, is way too I, Robot for my tastes