NSX [Official] Acura NSX (NC1)

[Mr Robert]

The engine will be Cosworth and the body bloody generic. What will Honda add to the mix?

 

[Giannis]

The engine will be Cosworth and the body bloody generic. What will Honda add to the mix?

A few years of delays.

Seriously speaking, the NSX is too damn late!

 

[Bucketslash11]

if it ends up being dissapointing then there's still hope: NSX type R aka NSX-R

 

[Yaz]

Seinfeld went back to Porsche.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Seinfeld went back to Porsche.

"What's the deal with aaaallll the delays? First you say it's going to have the V6 in a tranverse format and now longitudinal?!?!?" or something like that.

 

[330CIZHP]

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[Merc1]

This car is a complete flop. Now Spring of 2016???? OVER IT. It's a shame because it is a gorgeous car. Arguably better looking than the R8 that it is so often compared to. Worst, most botched product launch EVER!!!

M

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

While I am annoyed by the delays (despite not being able to afford it), the flip side of the coin allows for a more thorough assessment of the powertrain. It would be an even bigger black eye if something was overlooked or not thoroughly assessed that could lead to a recall or something catastrophic. Also it should be mentioned that other cars of this ilk (R8, etc.) are less complex in that the NSX does incorporate a hybrid system.

 

[Merc1]

^^ Sorry man but you're just making excuses for them now. There is no way this car should have shown in production for back in 2012 and it still isn't ready to hit the streets until Spring 2016. Who does that? All this about checking the car is is just bs at this point. Honda got way in over their head and probably realized that this car's performance wasn't going to be anything vs the competition and they've been back back pedaling every since. This is the worst product launch in modern day history. Same thing with the RLX Sport Hybrid, one delay after another for a car that doesn't sell anyway. Honda, Acura is a big failure here. They should have never shown this car, until it was already for actual production. Face it, they don't know what they're doing anymore.

M

 

[Bucketslash11]

^^ Sorry man but you're just making excuses for them now. There is no way this car should have shown in production for back in 2012 and it still isn't ready to hit the streets until Spring 2016. Who does that? All this about checking the car is is just bs at this point. Honda got way in over their head and probably realized that this car's performance wasn't going to be anything vs the competition and they've been back back pedaling every since. This is the worst product launch in modern day history. Same thing with the RLX Sport Hybrid, one delay after another for a car that doesn't sell anyway. Honda, Acura is a big failure here. They should have never shown this car, until it was already for actual production. Face it, they don't know what they're doing anymore.

M

the ford GT still has to complete its 18 months of real world testing (done by summer 2016)

the change to a longditudinal position have probably changed the structual load and strain on the rear part of the frame and the engineers probably want to intend to have the same stiffness as they had with sideways mounted engine concept

just making theories

 

[Merc1]

the ford GT still has to complete its 18 months of real world testing (done by summer 2016)

the change to a longditudinal position have probably changed the structual load and strain on the rear part of the frame and the engineers probably want to intend to have the same stiffness as they had with sideways mounted engine concept

just making theories

The Ford was not shown 3 years ago either, nor was it advertised during the Superbowl. I don't care what they have to do behind the scenes or what the reason is, the point is that you shouldn't show a production car nearly 4 years before it is ready. If you add all the concepts it has been longer than that. The Ford GT is already tagged as a 2017 model, this Acura was due this fall, now it's next spring. Next it will be fall of 2016, another year.

M

 

[Bucketslash11]

The Ford was not shown 3 years ago either, nor was it advertised during the Superbowl. I don't care what they have to do behind the scenes or what the reason is, the point is that you shouldn't show a production car nearly 4 years before it is ready. If you add all the concepts it has been longer than that. The Ford GT is already tagged as a 2017 model, this Acura was due this fall, now it's next spring. Next it will be fall of 2016, another year.

M

that's why the GT development internal

acura made a concept with no clear answer if they were going to produce it or not, then they evolved it and said they would produce it as it entered its test stages, then they changed the position of a major mechanical part and had to do the same readings over again

again, i'm just analyzing

 

[Monster]

that's why the GT development internal

acura made a concept with no clear answer if they were going to produce it or not, then they evolved it and said they would produce it as it entered its test stages, then they changed the position of a major mechanical part and had to do the same readings over again

again, i'm just analyzing

Merc1 is criticizing the management at Honda, and not the actual car itself.

 

[Merc1]

that's why the GT development internal

acura made a concept with no clear answer if they were going to produce it or not, then they evolved it and said they would produce it as it entered its test stages, then they changed the position of a major mechanical part and had to do the same readings over again

again, i'm just analyzing

You're missing the point. The car isn't the issue, it is the product people and their decision to show the world a car that clearly wasn't ready. NO one shows a production ready car and then delays it for 3 years!

M

 

[savage-It]

I like her expecially in these pics..

 

[Mr Robert]

So, it's like showing an Audi R8. Guess what? That train passed this station like an eon ago.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

You're missing the point. The car isn't the issue, it is the product people and their decision to show the world a car that clearly wasn't ready. NO one shows a production ready car and then delays it for 3 years!

M

I am going to nit-pick, but the NSX in the 2012 Super Bowl commercial was actually a concept. The fine print at the end even mentions that it'll take 3 years before the production car goes on sale. Admittedly, their roll-out has been flawed though. (The RLX/RLX Hybrid is a woefully terrible offering and the release was equally woeful to the point of being down-right amateur. The ILX is useless. The TLX is not nearly as interesting among its competitors. The MDX and RDX are just sufficient. It seems that Honda has no interest in pursuing a global approach with Acura)

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Acura should have done their due diligence within the allotted time, but if the additional time is spent in making it a more powerful, better handling and even more reliable, I am all for it (even though it's annoying). The thing is Ferrari can weather a diminished reliability with their cars...look at all those cars going up flames and yet they are still stellar as ever. Same thing with Porsche with the GT3...they can somewhat get away with that because they are Porsche. Hell, even Nissan GT-R's got a pass with their transmission issues because there are a legions of GT-R fans, especially since it was once a forbidden fruit in the States. Although there are NSX fans out there, they don't have that kind of equity that those aforementioned cars have. If it's significantly mechanically flawed, it'd be difficult to recover from that kind of failure amongst the enthusiasts and even harder to attract more casual interested parties.

I think I've mentioned this before, but the first gen R8 took about 3.5-4 years from going from the LeMans Concept in 2003 to production for MY2008. So in that context, it's not so bad, but it is disappointing and Honda is definitely testing the limit of the collective car enthusiast's patience. If the car's performance doesn't live up to the hype, then we are looking at an unmitigated failure.

 

[Merc1]

I am going to nit-pick, but the NSX in the 2012 Super Bowl commercial was actually a concept. The fine print at the end even mentions that it'll take 3 years before the production car goes on sale. Admittedly, their roll-out has been flawed though. (The RLX/RLX Hybrid is a woefully terrible offering and the release was equally woeful to the point of being down-right amateur. The ILX is useless. The TLX is not nearly as interesting among its competitors. The MDX and RDX are just sufficient. It seems that Honda has no interest in pursuing a global approach with Acura)

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Acura should have done their due diligence within the allotted time, but if the additional time is spent in making it a more powerful, better handling and even more reliable, I am all for it (even though it's annoying). The thing is Ferrari can weather a diminished reliability with their cars...look at all those cars going up flames and yet they are still stellar as ever. Same thing with Porsche with the GT3...they can somewhat get away with that because they are Porsche. Hell, even Nissan GT-R's got a pass with their transmission issues because there are a legions of GT-R fans, especially since it was once a forbidden fruit in the States. Although there are NSX fans out there, they don't have that kind of equity that those aforementioned cars have. If it's significantly mechanically flawed, it'd be difficult to recover from that kind of failure amongst the enthusiasts and even harder to attract more casual interested parties.

I think I've mentioned this before, but the first gen R8 took about 3.5-4 years from going from the LeMans Concept in 2003 to production for MY2008. So in that context, it's not so bad, but it is disappointing and Honda is definitely testing the limit of the collective car enthusiast's patience. If the car's performance doesn't live up to the hype, then we are looking at an unmitigated failure.

Agree to disagree, it is just that bad and worse. They showed a production car at the 2012 or 2013 Detroit auto show and the 2016 Detroit auto show will have come and gone before the car even goes on sale. That is just a major fail. I don't remember anyone else taking over 3-4 years to go from showing a final/production car to putting the car on sale. Even it wasn't production ready they still wrote a check their arse couldn't cash.

The Porsche Carrera GT went from concept to on sale in 4 years. No excuse for Acura. None. This is crying shame. Point blank, don't show a car like this until it is actually ready to be produced. I'm not knocking development issues, those happen....but those Ferrari and Porsche models came out on time and whatever their issues were they were fixed quickly. Then again, how do you change an engine layout after you've announced and shown the car??? That is crazy short-sightedness. What they were trying to do is generate buzz for the Acura brand and they failed because Acura is still a joke.

M

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

....it is just that bad and worse. They showed a production car at the 2012 or 2013 Detroit auto show and the 2016 Detroit auto show will have come and gone before the car even goes on sale. That is just a major fail. I don't remember anyone else taking over 3-4 years to go from showing a final/production car to putting the car on sale. Even it wasn't production ready they still wrote a check their arse couldn't cash.

The Porsche Carrera GT went from concept to on sale in 4 years. No excuse for Acura. None. This is crying shame. Point blank, don't show a car like this until it is actually ready to be produced. I'm not knocking development issues, those happen....but those Ferrari and Porsche models came out on time and whatever their issues were they were fixed quickly. Then again, how do you change an engine layout after you've announced and shown the car??? That is crazy short-sightedness. What they were trying to do is generate buzz for the Acura brand and they failed because Acura is still a joke.

M

There's no doubt that they showed the 2012 concept car (not production) to generate hype. Acura didn't/doesn't have much going on in terms of getting the heart pumping. But they did show a production version for the first time this past Detroit autoshow.

From concept to production, 3.5 to 4 years is par for the course for cars like the NSX. Here are 3 examples just based on other cars you and I have mentioned....
Porsche 918: Concept - March 2010, Production - December 2013.
Porsche Carrera GT: Concept - Sept 2000, Production - 2004 (They had started development of the V10 before 2000 for an abandoned LeMans race car)
Audi R8: LeMans Concept - Late 2003, Production - June 2007 (Based on the Gallardo, which came out before the R8)

If Honda holds to their current timeline, that's about 4 years or a bit over.

As far as them having the foresight of starting off in longitudinal format, they wanted to maintain a transverse position from the original NSX. When they realized a compact NA V6 was going to be lacking despite the electric motors' contribution, they had to switch to a bespoke turbo V6. With all the additional plumbing that goes with a turbo, that led to the change to longitudinal to allow for more space. Cooling is a major challenge for mid-engined turbo cars.

Agree to disagree...

Fair enough.

 

[Merc1]

There's no doubt that they showed the 2012 concept car (not production) to generate hype. Acura didn't/doesn't have much going on in terms of getting the heart pumping. But they did show a production version for the first time this past Detroit autoshow.

From concept to production, 3.5 to 4 years is par for the course for cars like the NSX. Here are 3 examples just based on other cars you and I have mentioned....
Porsche 918: Concept - March 2010, Production - December 2013.
Porsche Carrera GT: Concept - Sept 2000, Production - 2004 (They had started development of the V10 before 2000 for an abandoned LeMans race car)
Audi R8: LeMans Concept - Late 2003, Production - June 2007

If Honda holds to their current timeline, that's about 4 years or a bit over.

As far as them having the foresight of starting off in longitudinal format, they wanted to maintain a transverse position from the original NSX. When they realized a compact NA V6 was going to be lacking despite the electric motors' contribution, they had to switch to a bespoke turbo V6. With all the additional plumbing that goes with a turbo, that led to the change to longitudinal to allow for more space. Cooling is a major challenge for mid-engined turbo cars.


Fair enough.

Either way it is still a botched launch. Ok so they showed a concept car in 2012, they showed a production car in 2015, they're still over a year away from the car going on sale. Again, no one I can think of has shown a production cars (2015) only to delay the car another year because of something as serious as engine layout change. In those four years you and I agree on for those other cars, this Acura still won't be on sale. The launch has been botched. Porsche did it in 3 years with the 918, far more sophisticated car. Honda is in over its head here and this bumbling around proves it. If you're making a bespoke sports car, and all your other cars use a family sedan V6, then they should have developed a bespoke V6 from the start. Sorry man, but you're just making excuses for them.

M