X3/X4 Next X3: Spyshots & CGIs

[klier]

Depends on where you live. In western Europe, there's a bazillion roads in mint condition. So those 'core buyers' will never take the car off road. But in Africa it's probably the opposite, so off roading becomes pretty important. BMW light trucks are not made for the African outback. You're better off with some Toyota or Defender that never fails.

 

[m3csl]

It surly will suit the road in Bangkok

 

[Mr Robert]

Depends on where you live. In western Europe, there's a bazillion roads in mint condition. So those 'core buyers' will never take the car off road. But in Africa it's probably the opposite, so off roading becomes pretty important.

...which is why I would never consider the African buyers as anywhere near core buyers for trucks like the X3.

 

[footie]

X3 was done in DesignWorks California , the interior was done in Munich.
The reason why the evolutionary appearence was chosen is because customers like the taut , tough styling of the E83 X3.

E83 X3 had brought customers to the BMW Brand for the first time it was also a vehicle that spread out the BMW brand as a new Lifestyle orientated segment which in turn brought a large majority of new customers to the BMW brand. A feat the recently launched X1 has now repeated.

Typically it is recognisable as an X3 , but it is underneath the surface where you will see and experience the changes, The whole second generation has come about by "reverse engineering" the E83 , we knew what the consumer liked and what they didn't like so they set about refining the plus'es whilst reworking and refining the minus'es.

Well in my opinion the only real negatives with the E83 was it's ride quality (not it's handling which was very good indeed) and it's choice of materials in it's interior. Apart from that everything was rosy.

So if like you say they have addressed those failings then this will have a great little SUV. Though something still nags me........the X1, X5 and X6 all don't ride as well as the competition, so why will the X3 be any different?

 

[Potential]

The X5 ride is fantastic on Australia's useless roads, so I don't see the problem here? Drive an ML and expect to get thrown around when cornering vs. the flat ride that is the X5... Comfort is not only ride quality, but also the inertia of being thrown around left, right and center when driving.

 

[klier]

It surly will suit the road in Bangkok

I'm not if it will be able to get over those obstacles the Red Shirts have put up A Humvee might be better

 

[m3csl]

I'm not if it will be able to get over those obstacles the Red Shirts have put up A Humvee might be better

Haha you're right, but it's over now, hopefully

 

[chonkoa]

But the M3 has space for a spare tyre. The reason it doesn't have a spare supplied as standard is to save weight.

And if the deal breaker for not buying an M3 is the lack of a spare tyre then I think you've done yourself a favour by buying the X6.

You are right, however when I was looking for a replacement for the 330i, the Mrs never warmed to the idea of it(M3) not coming with a spare.
The decision to go X6 was based on a confluence of factors and the lack of a spare was one of them albeit not the strongest driver.

 

[footie]

The X5 ride is fantastic on Australia's useless roads, so I don't see the problem here? Drive an ML and expect to get thrown around when cornering vs. the flat ride that is the X5... Comfort is not only ride quality, but also the inertia of being thrown around left, right and center when driving.

That's weird, your opinion of the X5 is the total opposite of mine about the X6, I know they are different models on slightly different suspension settings but they are basically the same platform, yet in my opinion it's about as bad as it can get when it comes to being thrown about on a bumpy road and matters only get worse when it comes to cornering on said bumpy road. I'll tell you how much I hated the X6, when without a car I found myself needing to take a trip cross country, a journey of some two hours and the only choices open to me at the time was the brother's X6 or his work Caddy van..................I chose the van.

I'm not saying that I am right and you are wrong, only it's weird that two people can come to totally different conclusions.

 

[klier]

^^ Yeah, that's weird. Everybody should think exactly the same about things. And everybody should wear red clothes too

Also, I AM saying you're wrong. And so wrong it's not even funny anymore. Choosing a Caddy over X6, and expecting a normal conversation here on this BMW forum are you???
You can take your bother's Caddy when you get your drivers licence Footie. You will reach legal driving age in 5 years or so I think.

 

[footie]

^^ Yeah, that's weird. Everybody should think exactly the same about things. And everybody should wear red clothes too

Also, I AM saying you're wrong. And so wrong it's not even funny anymore. Choosing a Caddy over X6, and expecting a normal conversation here on this BMW forum are you???
You can take your bother's Caddy when you get your drivers licence Footie. You will reach legal driving age in 5 years or so I think.

Did you understand what I was saying?

I was basically explaining that I found the X6 to be hateful to drive on a bumpy road, it's fine on a motorway, it's fine of a smooth B-road but it's plain awful on a bad B-road which unfortunately we have over here. So while I much prefer the better seats, the quieter driving experience and the better interior of the X6, I just couldn't have chosen it when I knew the two hour journey involved nothing but bumpy back roads, at least in this discipline the Caddy van does so with comfort and none of the sideways motion that is ever present in the X6. In comparison my M3 was a limo, now that's some statement.

Oh and I only drove the X6 very occasionally, my brother had to live with it as the lease was for 30 months, in the end he hated it that much that he took the hit and got out with 7 months to go. Maybe it's a poor choice on his part, picking the 20" didn't help and the fact our back roads are shit but there is no denying that it's not great on bad bumpy roads.

As for my age, I chose to ignore that comment but if you believe I'm only 12 then you are the bigger fool arguing with a minor.

 

[Potential]

Out of curiosity footie, which modern BMW haven't you driven? Secondly, are there any models that you didn't lament the time you spent with it?

 

[Human]

Did you understand what I was saying?

I was basically explaining that I found the X6 to be hateful to drive on a bumpy road, it's fine on a motorway, it's fine of a smooth B-road but it's plain awful on a bad B-road which unfortunately we have over here. So while I much prefer the better seats, the quieter driving experience and the better interior of the X6, I just couldn't have chosen it when I knew the two hour journey involved nothing but bumpy back roads, at least in this discipline the Caddy van does so with comfort and none of the sideways motion that is ever present in the X6. In comparison my M3 was a limo, now that's some statement.

Oh and I only drove the X6 very occasionally, my brother had to live with it as the lease was for 30 months, in the end he hated it that much that he took the hit and got out with 7 months to go. Maybe it's a poor choice on his part, picking the 20" didn't help and the fact our back roads are shit but there is no denying that it's not great on bad bumpy roads.

As for my age, I chose to ignore that comment but if you believe I'm only 12 then you are the bigger fool arguing with a minor.

Adaptive drive + Dynamic drive + Dynamic Performance Control + Active steering etc....I have on my X6 50i....on tar, on gravel road and on the worst rural roads you can find (here in RSA) my X6 is certainly not a RR Phantom I will admit - BUT, with 20" rims and all...If I have to complain about all over ride quality, I would have to be called a lier, lier pants in fire!
And sideways motion?

You must get one thing straight, I am NOT a millionaire. BMW fan boy and X6 fanatic yes! Keep in mind though before I made 'the' decision to make the financing commitment on my X6, I drove a Q7 3.0TDI S-line, LR Disco 3 V8 HSE and a GL500...just to 'ease my mind'. Best in suspension comfort is the GL, the LR has a confusing suspension setup to say the least and the Q7...without adaptive air suspension (S-line) now that is a hard and unsettled ride with sideways motion.

 

[martinbo]

Despite there being some merit in discussing ride quality relative to what's to be expected in the new X3, I have to say that we're drifting off topic here. The concept of perceived ride quality is such a personally subjective one that I recommend we don't pursue this discussion any further unless someone has some information pertaining directly to X3 in this regard.

 

[footie]

Out of curiosity footie, which modern BMW haven't you driven? Secondly, are there any models that you didn't lament the time you spent with it?

Why would I lie about this car or any other?

 

[footie]

Despite there being some merit in discussing ride quality relative to what's to be expected in the new X3, I have to say that we're drifting off topic here. The concept of perceived ride quality is such a personally subjective one that I recommend we don't pursue this discussion any further unless someone has some information pertaining directly to X3 in this regard.

Fair enough Martin but I originally ask Scott this very thing, mainly because I myself felt that the last X3 was overly harsh when chosen with sports suspension and the largest alloys, the latter of which is a necessity on an SUV in my mind. Sure we have drifted off topic a bit but I was only trying to explain the reasoning behind my question as basing my own experiences of the X models of late is that they are all overly firm of which the X3 was the worse, Scott hinted that many issues had been addressed and I was only asking whether this was one of them.

An a different note, everyone knows that we basic our opinions/comments on personal experience so why question whether someone has driven or owned something or not, that is something I will never understand.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

The X5 ride is fantastic on Australia's useless roads, so I don't see the problem here? Drive an ML and expect to get thrown around when cornering vs. the flat ride that is the X5... Comfort is not only ride quality, but also the inertia of being thrown around left, right and center when driving.

Really Potential? This is one reason my Dad was glad to get rid of the X5 and a consistent complaint with the local reviews.

 

[footie]

Really Potential? This is one reason my Dad was glad to get rid of the X5 and a consistent complaint with the local reviews.

It appears my opinions aren't in a minority then.

 

[Zafiro]

Really Potential? This is one reason my Dad was glad to get rid of the X5 and a consistent complaint with the local reviews.

But he had the sportpackage with stiffer suspension, perhaps he should have ordered without it. It sure you make a difference in ride quality.

 

[footie]

But he had the sportpackage with stiffer suspension, perhaps he should have ordered without it. It sure you make a difference in ride quality.

Sport suspension X5 = X6.

What has I been saying.