Model S MT: Long-term review 2013 Model S P85+


The Tesla Model S is a battery-electric, four-door full-size car produced by the American automaker Tesla since 2012. The automaker's second vehicle and longest-produced model, the Model S has both received mixed reviews from critics and also been described as one of the most influential electric cars in the industry.

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I've known Alec Brooks longer than either of us can precisely remember, but during a recent lunch he mentioned something that startled me. "Did I ever tell that I was once interviewed to be the Model S' chief engineer?" I put my coffee cup down as my journalist's antenna rose.

Brooks is a pioneer of the modern electric car who once gave me a ride in the GM Impact, the car that convinced GM to build the EV1. "I immediately got into an argument with Musk, and that was that," he said. "But I worked there for a while anyway as director of vehicle technology during the Model S's early planning." Astonishingly, Brooks has yet to drive the final product. At the conclusion of our lunch I slipped him our long-term car's keys for the week I was about to be away on a trip. What would be the verdict of the Model S' almost-chief engineer? … I'll get back to that.In reality, the Model S is a car with as many different verdicts as it represents ground-breaking firsts: It's the first EV with gas-competitive range. The first mass-produced EV with shattering performance. The first you can genuinely road-trip via its worldwide, 393-station network of 2,146 120-kilowatt-hour (really powerful) supercharger stations. The first to embrace frequent over-the-air software updates. … Let me inhale here. … The first with a gigantic, reconfigurable multi-touchscreen. And the first to challenge the powerful dealership establishment with company-owned Tesla stores in fashionable malls (designed by George Blankenship, who created the Apple Store). Being a Silicon Valley carmaker means not comprehending what you can't do.

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Many verdicts. Let's start with reliability.Besides some very simple maintenance (basically checking things over) our car's only unscheduled attention was due to a flat tire on the 405 (the "Tesla Rangers" arrived in 45 minutes and swapped on a spare wheel and tire), a nail in another one, and a defiantly squeaky sunroof that eventually just squeaked itself out. On the other hand, the technicians often proactively updated the car to a startling degree, including new suspension bushings and replacing a steering knuckle when they noticed it was loose, and the power unit itself when they heard a clicking sound in the single-speed reduction gears (that I hadn't). All for free. Our communications were via quick texts on a first-name basis (Hi Mark!) and frankly, the whole thing was breathtakingly Apple Store Genius Bar compared to the Victorian-esque horrors of traditional dealerships.

OK, but isn't that replaced motor/tranny unit a big deal? Chin scratching. To Tesla's technicians, it really seemed like it was just another plug-and-play component. Easier to swap than open up and fiddle with. (They later get them refurbished, so they're not thrown away.) For traditional gas-powered-car guys, the engine is the high altar within the automotive cathedral. For Tesla, it's a part number.
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Wear and tear. When we originally ordered our car I'd asked for a simple P85 with the smooth-riding tall-sidewall tires and sans the sunroof. A response soon arrived from Elon Musk's secretary. "Elon read your request and is sending a P85+ with a sunroof." Their fastest car. Hey, who am I to argue with Tony Stark?The repercussions were twofold. On one hand, the car's lightening reflexes rendered my fellow road-goers bugs in amber, and me a laser-beam pinball through them (sorry, everybody). Did its sizzle translate to the track? We lapped it twice at Laguna Seca and once at Streets of Willow, and each time the car lost power toward lap's end as the software stepped in to protect the battery from rising temperatures -- even defying my comical attempt to pre-freeze it with 22 ice bags stuffed underneath. (At least it felt pretty "cool" for 9/10 of a lap.) The engine's double whammy of instant power and lift-throttle regen wore the rear tires quite quickly, though not out of line for such a powerful, heavy sedan, according to our friends at Tire Rack. On top of that, the slim-profile Michelins left the wide rims fairly whacked up, for which I was as guilty as anybody.
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Traveling. Almost everywhere I wanted to go proved to be supercharger-reachable: to the Monterey, California, area six times, to the little mountain town of Julian, California, for its planet-famous apple pie, and on our last grand voyage, from Willow Springs Raceway to Phoenix. Unlike gas-car road-going, Tesla travel is closer to hopscotching between sparse landing strips in a light plane. You absolutely have to put it down at specific spots (for about 20 minutes of zero-cost juicing before the next jump) and then make the best you can of the pause. There's a Zen-like quality to the repeated pattern, though. In the early days (hah, I love saying that!) drivers would jump out of their cars and greet one another like cousins who'd never met. Now, with lots more cars showing up, they warily eye each other's charging progress or bury their noses in books. On the other hand, you should see the route calculations filling my notebooks for every time I strayed from the charging network. Note to Tesla: Don't even think about selling the Model X (let alone the 3) without some Apple-slick trip planning software. Over its 38,000-mile stay, the car's battery showed little appreciable degradation; its everyday range (in my hands) (driving it aggressively) was 175 miles (212 if I was conservative), its fully charged range averaged about 203 miles (238, if conservative), and I never ran out of juice. (Only once was I worried, when Jonny didn't plug it in before I needed it to get to Willow Springs … Jonny!)
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Oh, and Alec Brooks' verdict after his week behind its wheel? "Very impressed. I didn't think I'd like the big screen, but its size really helps in targeting buttons, and wow, the nav map is great." Then the total technoid emerges: "I really appreciate how data is displayed in the gauges -- you can tell they were created by engineers. In retrospect, the car I was originally arguing for was cheaper, smaller, less powerful and with a little less range -- actually, what sounds more like the Model 3!"My verdict? As the Great Wallenda of the modern technological tightrope, the spotlight has rightfully been on Musk as his audience gasps and cheers with his every step. In 12 short years, tiny Tesla has accomplished the near-impossible, and our 17 months in the car have been nothing less than an everyday reminder that it springs from the imagination of a guy whose tightrope leads all the way to Mars.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...sla_model_s_p85_review_verdict/#ixzz3Ub0tQTB9
 
Hilarious how they tried to cool the car with ice. Cooling is clearly an issue at the top-end of the car's performance. A mid-engine Tesla with air scoops and vents throughout the body would be a good answer for people who want to track an electric car.
 
TL;DR
"No, you will get this car, not the one you wanted, and we will be servicing it all the time so that you will never notice any faults..."
 
TL;DR
"No, you will get this car, not the one you wanted, and we will be servicing it all the time so that you will never notice any faults..."

That's probably what the strategy is like now: Keep everyone happy and satisfied. The true test of this car will come in 5-7 years when the first Model S's are out of warranty and it's too expensive to over-service every customer.
 
too expensive to over-service every customer.

Except that one of the biggest advantages of electric cars is that there are not many things to "service" - no oil change, no coolant, no spark plugs, no tubes, belts. Even brakes last longer.
The main cost is going to be battery replacement at some point and Tesla has already announced how much that will cost -
A separate battery replacement guarantee takes effect after the eighth year at a cost of US$10,000 for the 60 kWh battery and US$12,000 for the 85 kWh battery.

You would think anyone can easily google all this before making grand arm chair predictions of business strategies?
 
Except that one of the biggest advantages of electric cars is that there are not many things to "service" - no oil change, no coolant, no spark plugs, no tubes, belts. Even brakes last longer.
The main cost is going to be battery replacement at some point and Tesla has already announced how much that will cost -

There is more to the Tesla than replacing the battery. The car isn't just electric but heavily digital. Unknowns include the durability of the screen, circuit boards, battery wires and circuitboards. I'm a big Tesla fan and have think the Model S is a well put together product but its viability as a long term car is still in question. Most of the problems owners will encounter will undoubtedly be fed back to the factory. When I used to work at Volvo about 9 years ago, I remember regularly seeing parts being replaced by new ones. The Model S will only get better with time.
 
Unknowns include the durability of the screen, circuit boards, battery wires and circuitboards.

There is nothing unique or unknown about these things, every modern car has them. No one has to "service" screens or circuit boards like they have to service ICE related parts. Yes, if a screen or circuit board breaks, it will have to be replaced, just like it will have to be in Mercedes or a BMW.
 
The main cost is going to be battery replacement at some point and Tesla has already announced how much that will cost -

A separate battery replacement guarantee takes effect after the eighth year at a cost of US$10,000 for the 60 kWh battery and US$12,000 for the 85 kWh battery.

This is a problem, I wonder how many people buying a 7-8 year old car will want to stump up 10-12K USD for a replacement battery? Not many IMO, I think most Tesla's will head to the scrap yard when the battery needs replacing. At 8 years old will a Model S be worth the price of it's replacement battery?

A brand new under warranty Tesla is an attractive proposition if you can live with it, a second hand out of warranty Tesla is a scary proposition for a buyer, especially if the battery is at or near EOL. My next point is would a dealer want to trade one?

It will be interesting seeing how this all plays out.
 
1. There is good data on reduction of battery capacity with miles for Model S/most popular electric cars.

2. The price to replace the battery is known for Model S/ most popular electric cars in the market.

3. Tests can easily and very accurately tell the state of a Li-ion battery before you buy a car.

All of which means market can and will price the battery replacement cost into a used electric car's price pretty accurately.

A much better proposition than buying a 7-8 year old ICE car out of warranty to have an engine, transmission or myriad other things blow up.
 
A much better proposition than buying a 7-8 year old ICE car out of warranty to have an engine, transmission or myriad other things blow up.

A refurbished replacement engine and tranny is going to be far cheaper than a new battery. I doubt a 7-8 year old Model S will be worth more than 10k, especially if it needs a replacement battery, hence the rason why I think most will be parted out and crushed.
 
^Ha, maybe for your econoboxes. A replacement Mezger is 45k, even vanilla 9A1 is 25k. Doubt a Panamera V8 is any cheaper. Used S85s with SMG cost 10K. New is probably twice.
 

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Tesla, Inc. is an American multinational automotive and clean energy company headquartered in Austin, Texas. It designs, manufactures, and sells electric vehicles, stationary battery energy storage devices from home to grid-scale, solar panels and solar shingles, and related products and services. Incorporated in July 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning as Tesla Motors, the company's name is a tribute to inventor and electrical engineer Nikola Tesla. In February 2004 Elon Musk joined as the company's largest shareholder and in 2008 he was named CEO.
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