Mercedes Vision EQXX

[hoffmeister_fan]

The 1966 Mercedes-Benz SLX concept car:

never knew this existed. interesting details.

 

[Rolf]

Wow Oida that brings back memories. Definitely, the EQXX could be a nod to this car with its curved and flowing wheel arches. The SLX Concept was ahead of its time. I think it has certain aspects of other cars, like certain Porsches, Ferraris and Alfas in the design. I would love to know what the drag coefficient of that concept was, maybe less than 0.3. Its so sleek.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

like certain Porsches, Ferraris and Alfas in the design

Instantly what came to mind was the front of the 365 Daytona, the front fenders of the Dino, the rear haunches of the 250 LM.

Interesting article on the SLX:

2021 The 1966 Mercedes-Benz SLX Is The AMG One's Long Lost Relative

A mid-'60s design study was denied a chance at living its life as a Ferrari beater

www.topspeed.com

 

[Rolf]

Some more technical info from AMS is slowly been revealed:

MERCEDES EQXX (2022) - ELECTRIC CAR CONCEPT
1,000-kilometer car even without a huge battery
UPDATE
Daimler wants to build the most efficient electric car in the world. Maximum range through ultimate efficiency. The EQXX should travel 10 kilometers with one kWh. Development aid comes from the Formula 1 team, among others. On January 3rd, Mercedes plans to unveil the car at CES.

At the strategy day for investors on October 6, 2020, Mercedes gave an outlook on how the company intends to switch to electric drive. An update of the transformation strategy will follow in July 2021, including a more detailed look at the upcoming long-distance Benz EQXX, whose world premiere is planned for CES 2022 in Las Vegas at the beginning of January, such as Mercedes Development Board Member Markus Schäfer on November 23 on LinkedIn announced.
More range with smaller batteries
In 2020, the first EQXX presentation contained illustrative sentences such as "Stuttgart - Nice" or "Shanghai - Beijing" with one battery charge? The Swabians wanted to show the dimensions in which the EQXX should advance: Google Maps knows that there are a good 1,200 kilometers between the two Chinese metropolises; also that there are tolls. In the meantime, Mercedes Development Board Member Markus Schäfer speaks of "only" a range of 1,000 kilometers, but at the same time emphasizes the outstanding efficiency of the EQXX. According to Schäfer, it should achieve a single-digit consumption value for kilowatt hours per 100 kilometers at normal motorway speed. Or to put it another way: get over 6 miles per kWh. That would be the equivalent of 10 kilometers.

Despite the cloth over the car, it is easy to see that the Mercedes developers have crouched the EQXX and designed it with a long, flat tail. That speaks for the best Cd values!

Important for Markus Schäfer: The range should not come from ever larger batteries. "Then everyone could do it!". For Mercedes, efficiency is the new currency against which e-mobility will have to be measured in the future. A first sketch shows an obviously extremely aerodynamic car. The silhouette of the Mercedes EQXX, which Schäfer places in the compact class, looks a bit like an elongated AMG Project One on the first sketch, also looks similarly elongated, the length would be estimated at around five meters. A flat front and a very flat tail show the effort to achieve particularly good aerodynamics. The drag coefficient should hit the record of 0.20 that the EQSfor production cars, undercut again, says Schäfer. The EQXX could reach 0.17.

Other factors that Mercedes also names as technical features of its future series electric cars are: a permanently excited synchronous machine and a 2-speed gearbox. The engine is at the front of the EQXX. While the rear-wheel drive goes well with high-torque e-machines and ensures good tration during brisk acceleration, the front-wheel drive puts more pressure on the front axle when decelerating due to the dynamic axle load distribution and thus ensures greater recuperation capacity. The 800 volt voltage level enables cables with a smaller diameter and less weight. However, high voltage would also benefit from a special fast charging capability, which the EQXX probably does not need. As far as battery technology is concerned, Mercedes could use cells with a silicon anode in the concept car. When asked, Chief Development Officer Markus Schäfer confirmed that, together with cooperation partner Sila, they are moving "step by step" to anodes made of the semiconductor material for production cars as well. In the latest LinkedIn post, Schäfer also wrote that it had been possible to increase the energy density of the battery at cell level by 20 percent compared to the EQS.

For Markus Schäfer, Head of Development at Mercedes, "efficiency is the new currency". The EQXX should be able to travel 10 kilometers with one kWh

This is comparable to Audi's flagship project "Artemis", which is to bring a "highly efficient electric vehicle" for Audi onto the road in 2025. Artemis is to become the blueprint for the development of e-cars in the VW Group and will be set up as a separate organization within the company. At Mercedes, the EQXX development team works together with the Formula 1 team, which has had to deal with electric drives for a long time due to the KERS hybrid system in Formula and Formula E. Schäfer therefore says of the EQXX that it is more than a show car. Rather, the project is an interdisciplinary technology program in which the developers checked every block that contributed to efficiency and not just focused on individual elements. What that brings in the end, the EQXX should prove in real road use next year,

CONCLUSION
After VW, Mercedes is also clearly committed to electric drives. For the EQ sub-brand, the Swabians have developed an architecture for (larger) purely electric vehicles (EVA), announced a second for smaller e-cars (MMA) and have now even added three more e-platforms from 2025. But that's not enough to catch up with manufacturers like Tesla, who have only built electric cars since they were founded.

That is why Daimler and Audi (Artemis) are establishing a task force to devise the particularly efficient and long-range electric car of the future. Whether the inclusion of the Formula 1 team only serves the old marketing cliché of technology transfer from motorsport is irrelevant. The speed of development from there should be helpful in any case.

 

[wallstbear]

So this thing should look roughly like this?

 

[Deleted member 57437]

So this thing should look roughly like this?

That would actually be very nice, provided that the rear overhang is chopped in order to reflect "more conventional" dimensions. But otherwise, aesthetically miles ahead of the EQS/EQE.

 

[Merc1]

I think it’s just a tech showcase not a production intent vehicle. Maybe the next AMG GT will be a super sleek and finally good looking EV from Mercedes.

M

 

[Deleted member 57437]

I think it’s just a tech showcase not a production intent vehicle. Maybe the next AMG GT will be a super sleek and finally good looking EV from Mercedes.

M

Correct. Not an accurate prelude to a specific M-B/AMG product per se (unfortunately). Obviously, we should see a good amount of tech migrating into upcoming M-B.EA/AMG.EA offerings. But as far as exterior design goes?...??? Personally, I'd like to see M-B/AMG abandoning this "Single Bow" paradigm in favour of something more..."digestable" and far less "van/minibus-like".

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Image at 0:03 is very interesting indeed. No "One Bow" shtick here.

 

[fortuner]

Sadly the real deal wont look anything like the concept hopefully they have some good new technology

 

[Merc1]

It's not intended as a production model.

M

 

[Deleted member 57437]

It's not intended as a production model.

M

Perhaps it will be some sort of spiritual successor to the series I and II C111s'. They were rolling laboratories for various sorts of powertrains (petrol and diesel powered conventional piston as well as Wankel rotary engines). Several were produced and officially registrated as Daimler-Benz AG test vehicles. Story has it that Daimler-Benz was "overwhelmed" by the number of blank checks sent by affluent customers who desperately wanted to own an example.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Perhaps it will be some sort of spiritual successor to the series I and II C111s'. They were rolling laboratories for various sorts of powertrains (petrol and diesel powered conventional piston as well as Wankel rotary engines). Several were produced and officially registrated as Daimler-Benz AG test vehicles. Story has it that Daimler-Benz was "overwhelmed" by the number of blank checks sent by affluent customers who desperately wanted to own an example.

As far as I remember it was meant for production. It was the first car made with a computer aided design system. But the fyberglass body was supplied from an outsourced manufacturer and it had 50% faulty rate and huge gaps, which proved imposible to improve, so the production was scrapped and they turned it into a laboratory project.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

As far as I remember it was meant for production. It was the first car made with a computer aided design system. But the fyberglass body was supplied from an outsourced manufacturer and it had 50% faulty rate and huge gaps, which proved imposible to improve, so the production was scrapped and they turned it into a laboratory project.

Yep-absolutely correct.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Something I overlooked at 1:40:

"The car is more than a scientific project, but it is a vision of a luxurious 4 door sedan, a luxury Mercedes-Benz product."

 

[Merc1]

Then what the hell are the EQS and EQE lol???

M

 

[SKY]

Then what the hell are the EQS and EQE lol???

M

A couple of twin turds. Two eggs that no one will remember in 10 years.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Then what the hell are the EQS and EQE lol???

M

Mistakes ??

 

[Grosser]

This will be more an AMG model I guess

 

[dalab]

Then what the hell are the EQS and EQE lol???

M

Will this XxLL be a sample of the next gen EQs sedans but well done?