Vs Mercedes SLR vs. Ferrari 599

[LaArtist]

you have to feel the same about Audi making sportscars..as they are not known for doing that either

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

you have to feel the same about Audi making sportscars..as they are not known for doing that either

It's not sports cars that's a issue, it's supercars! A sports car is a SL or CL, SLR is a supercar!

 

[GTA45E]

I chose the SLR, I know it`s more reliable than the 599 and on top of that it looks way more expensive for those who like to show off in their exotics! and I know for sure it`s frame structure is stiffer and stronger. Some testers have noted that the SLR has the tightest structure of any other car ever tested! Some complain about the SLRs` price tag but you have to consider that it`s the first Exotic-car (or car period) to use Carbin Fiber for it`s entire structure, even the crash sections. Ferrari has yet to master and that technic.

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

I would agree that Mercedes in't really known for making street legal supercars, but do not insinuate that Choleric is making BS posts..

He's making unfounded & false claims! That's not cool!

 

[LaArtist]

It's not sports cars that's a issue, it's supercars! A sports car is a SL or CL, SLR is a supercar!

so if anytime in the future Audi builds a SUPERCAR..it wont be the same thing as a lambo or ferrari cause Audi doesent have the pedigree and cant justify such a high price??

 

[Bruce]

He's making unfounded & false claims! That's not cool!

I'm sorry, but I don't see it..

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

This thread turned into something I didn't want to.
CAR-NNOSSEUR, if you are really a true car fan you can't say SLR is noone's dream car because that simply isn't true. You can have your opinion however it's not up to you to say MB can't make 400 k supercar. They proved they can, selling and production results cofirm that! I won't say anything about image because many people know the history of both Ferrari and MB, their legendary cars, races etc.

I chose SLR in this poll, because of exterior design, which is way more appealing to me than 599's. But, me voting for SLR doesn't mean Ferrari can't make supercars, does it??

You have to read are total discusion, if you did you'd know I already stated that the SLR's performance matches if not out performs it's rivals!

Sorry I don't get your last statement! I never said Ferrari or Mercedes couldn't build supercars! So what's your point?

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

so if anytime in the future Audi builds a SUPERCAR..it wont be the same thing as a lambo or ferrari cause Audi doesent have the pedigree and cant justify such a high price??

Know, what I'm saying is for Mercedes, BMW, or Audi to gain my business in the supercar segment it wouldn't be their very first venture!

 

[LaArtist]

^ i didnt understand one bit of what you said above..
question is simple.. would a Supercar from audi make you feel the same way that a supercar from MB does??

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

^ i didnt understand one bit of what you said above..
question is simple.. would a Supercar from audi make you feel the same way that a supercar from MB does??

Yes! Clear enough for ya!

 

[LaArtist]

heheh good imma hold you to that...

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

heheh good imma hold you to that...

Please do!

 

[Choleric]

In regards to disrespect, If you break down what I said their's nothing said that could be seen as disrespectful, Mercedes isn't known for making street legal supercars, FACT! Ferrari is, FACT! Please stop making up BS post about disrespect when you have no evidence of any!

In regards to SLR sales,I know their being sold, as is the Sonata, what's your point?! I already spoke to that matter!
Put a dent in what I've said or move on!

I never said anything about disrespect, will you please read. I said you are discrediting Mercedes by saying that they cannot build supercars because of there pedigree and that the SLR is not a supercar. The SLR is a supercar FACT! and therefor Mercedes can build supercars FACT!

Your sonata comment is just as basic and ignorant as your 3 legged dog comment. The fact is, the SLR IS selling so obviously someone somewhere said, they want to buy a supercar from Mercedes as opposed to Ferrari.

Alright I'm done arguing with you you just keep repeating the same thing.

 

[Choleric]

He's making unfounded & false claims! That's not cool!

I could say the same for you but you dont see me claiming you're posts are "BS".

Don't throw insults around.

 

[cawimmer430]

Ferrari is none for making supercars not Mercedes, at least not street legal ones. If ferrari started making luxury cars and their was a poll which matched a Mercedes vs Ferrari I would take the Benz, they've proven for decades that they make top notch luxury cars not street legal supercars!

Well Mercedes is known for making luxury cars, true, but when you examine their history in depth, they've had a quite a few "supercars" that were street-legal and kicked ass.

This was especially true in the 1900s-1930s (Blitzen Benz, SSK, SSKL etc.) and I suppose you could consider cars like the 300SL Gullwing / Roadster supercars because in their day, they were considered just that.

 

[cawimmer430]

I'm starting to think maybe I'm not the only person who feels Mercedes doesn't have what it takes to sway people away from the Italians and Porsche in this perticular segment!

A Mercedes appeals to a different crowd. Someone going for a Mercedes will expect their sports car to have traditional Mercedes values (comfort etc.).

The same can be said for a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche or Kia customer. Different brands, different expectations.

I'd say the McLaren Mercedes SLR doesn't even compete with the Porsche Carrera GT or Lamborghini LP460. These two are hardcore sports supercars. The SLR is a tamed luxury GT with a lot of power that can be brutal if the driver wants it to be. Think of it as a Dr. Jekyl / Mr. Hyde type of car.

 

[cawimmer430]

what is soo funny about that? the car sells well. there is a three pointed star for over $1,000,000.

Correct.

Take this fine specimen for example: 1939 Mercedes-Benz 500K which belonged to King Carol II of Romania. I was lucky enough to see this car in London and even talk with the folks who restored it. They'd invested over $ 1 million into restoring the car. The asking price for the car was $ 1.7 million when I photographed it (around 2003). Probably went up in price big time by now.

This was a special 500K of which only three were made: one for Adolf Hitler, one for Josef Stalin and this one for King Carol II of Romania.

Back in its day, the 500K was considered a supercar. Still is IMO.





This is just one of the many Mercedes' which costs a mere $ 1-2 million. Think of some of the original cars from the 19th and early 20th century in the Mercedes-Benz Museum and what they must be worth.

 

[cawimmer430]

I don't view Mercedes on the level with proven supercar manufactures like (Lambo, Porsche, Ferrari......etc! Sorry all the debating isn't going to change that, as I'm sure your position will not change either!

Ummmm....

1928 Mercedes-Benz 27/170/225-PS Typ SSK Sport-Zweisitzer powered by a massive 7065cc straight-6 with 225-horsepower. The car had an insane top speed (for the period) of 192 km/h (119 mph). Supercar? Hell no. Just another average Benz...

Yep, nothing special. Not proven and not credible sports cars...

LOL, the "Uhlenhaut SLR". What a car for posers. A crappy 3-l inline-8 engine that took it to a pathetic top speed of 300 km/h. Pathetic...

1955 Mercedes-Benz W196R. This car used stoneage technology. 2497cc 8-cylinder, 290-horsepower and a top speed of 305 km/h (190 mph). Stoneage technology, like I said...

1955 Mercedes-Benz Rennsportwagen 300SLR: 2982cc 8-cylinder, 302-horsepower and a top speed of 300 km/h. It won the 1955 Mille Miglia in a record time which until this day has not been beaten...nothing special obviously...

1952 Mercedes-Benz Rennsportwagen 300SL: This car is most famous for its spectacular victory in 1952 in the Carrera Panamericana in Mexico, where it finished in first place with Karl Kling at the controls and Hans Klatik serving as navigator. Which credible sportscarmaker has won a race here? Ferrari? No. Porsche? No. Lambo? No.

1938 Mercedes-Benz 3-L Rennwagen W154. The vehicle won 6/9 races, including a phenomenal 1-2-3 finish in one of them. Rudolf Caracciola was perhaps the most famous driver of the W154’s. 2962cc V12 engine with 453-horsepower and a top speed of 285 km/h (177 mph). LOL, POS...

Some other, nothing special cars from poser brands like Mercedes-Benz...nothing special...

After seeing all this, I get it.

Mercedes = Poser

Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini = REAL DEAL

 

[Bruce]

Hey Wimmer, nice photo's

The Uhlenhaut SLR is an amazing vehicle and the Sauber Group C... Slighty OT, but Horacio Pagani admits the Zonda's design is meant to resemble the Sauber

 

[cawimmer430]

I never said anything about disrespect, will you please read. I said you are discrediting Mercedes by saying that they cannot build supercars because of there pedigree and that the SLR is not a supercar. The SLR is a supercar FACT! and therefor Mercedes can build supercars FACT!

CAR-NNOSSEUR, read ^THIS^ post. Choleric put it very clear and easy to understand.

Mercedes can build supercars (and have built many in the past).

THEY BUILD THEIR SUPERCARS ACCORDING TO THEIR PHILOSOPHY. NOT FERRARI, NOT PORSCHE, NOT LAMBORGHINI, NOT KIA, NOT HYUNDAI, NO, *THEIR* PHILOSOPHY.

I've said this before. The SLR, although a supercar, is really in a class of its own since it incorporates traditional Mercedes' values such as comfort (especially for long-distances), A/T gearbox etc. This is what Mercedes feels a supercar should be like. Just because it doesn't match the Ferrari or Porsche philosophy doesn't mean the SLR isn't a serious supercar, it is.

I have zero problems admitting that the Enzo, Carrera GT etc. will be the more involving, sporty etc. supercars than the SLR. Someone who wants an engaging drive won't even consider the SLR. The SLR has however conquered some of the folks who firstly look for something hardcore and comfortable at the same time: two ideals which the SLR fullfills.


Don't let this thread turn into a flame war, please. I respect your opinions, but sometimes, you're posting stuff which has no truth to it like your claim that "Mercedes cannot build a sports car / supercar". Anyone who knows a bit about Mercedes history will know that they can probably be attributed to also have "invented the sports car" as well in the late 19th century when they participated Paris to _____ races.