Vs Mercedes SLR vs. Ferrari 599

[cawimmer430]

Hey Wimmer, nice photo's

The Uhlenhaut SLR is an amazing vehicle and the Sauber Group C... Slighty OT, but Horacio Pagani admits the Zonda's design is meant to resemble the Sauber

Thanks and thanks for the Zonda info. Still working on the 'chop.

 

[GTA45E]

Wow Wimmer, when it comes to MB history, your the man! Big Thanks!
I was really blown away by those 1955 SLR numbers, that was really insane for it`s time. There shouldn`t be any doubt about MBs credibility in building a supercar, heck thay might have a richer more victorious history than any other exotic car make that (according to MB) "have just stepped into the game in recent times."

 

[cawimmer430]

Wow Wimmer, when it comes to MB history, your the man! Big Thanks!
I was really blown away by those 1955 SLR numbers, that was really insane for it`s time. There shouldn`t be any doubt about MBs credibility in building a supercar, heck thay might have a richer more victorious history than any other exotic car make that (according to MB) "have just stepped into the game in recent times."

Thanks GTA.

There were some Mercedes-Benz racecars from the 1930s that had 1.5-l engines and almost 300-hp. Then they had tons of 2.5-l engines that produced close to 450-470-hp if I remember correctly: and this in the 1930s!!!

 

[GTA45E]

Indeed! 450 to 470hp that is really fantastic for the 1930, my God! if you were a Mercedes nut back then MB had to get you going, just like thay are today!

(even before the 1930s I believe MB introduced the Kompressor (supercharger) to the gasoline engine. That was back in 1920!!! thay were the first!)

 

[cawimmer430]

Indeed! 450 to 470hp that is really fantastic for the 1930, my God! if you were a Mercedes nut back then MB had to get you going, just like thay are today!

(even before the 1930s I believe MB introduced the Kompressor (supercharger) to the gasoline engine. That was back in 1920!!! thay were the first!)

Thanks.

I need to refresh my history here, but I think MB may have offered Kompressors even earlier. Right now, I can only remember the SSK / SSKL that in the late 1920s were equipped with Kompressors to boost power for mountain races because engines make less power at higher altitudes with thinner air.

During the 1930s, a Kompressor was usually standard or optional (1933 380 for example) on any high-end Mercedes because it could boost power by as much as 200-hp.

Light example. On the 1934 Mercedes 500K for example, the 5.4-l engine produced 115-horsepower. Switch on the Kompressor and power jumped to 180-hp.

Here's the killer. If you watch a halfway decent World War II flick, you'll often see Nazi officials riding in a menacing black Mercedes-Benz limousine. These were usually the Mercedes 770's. They employed a 7.7-l straight-8 engine with 160-hp standard. Now, listen to this. Switch the Kompressor on, and power jumped to 400-HORSEPOWER. That's right, 400-horsepower. This was racing technology from the 1930s (although most MB racecars in the 1930s lacked a Kompressor) incorporated into a high-end luxury car.

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

CAR-NNOSSEUR, read ^THIS^ post. Choleric put it very clear and easy to understand.

Mercedes can build supercars (and have built many in the past).

THEY BUILD THEIR SUPERCARS ACCORDING TO THEIR PHILOSOPHY. NOT FERRARI, NOT PORSCHE, NOT LAMBORGHINI, NOT KIA, NOT HYUNDAI, NO, *THEIR* PHILOSOPHY.

I've said this before. The SLR, although a supercar, is really in a class of its own since it incorporates traditional Mercedes' values such as comfort (especially for long-distances), A/T gearbox etc. This is what Mercedes feels a supercar should be like. Just because it doesn't match the Ferrari or Porsche philosophy doesn't mean the SLR isn't a serious supercar, it is.

I have zero problems admitting that the Enzo, Carrera GT etc. will be the more involving, sporty etc. supercars than the SLR. Someone who wants an engaging drive won't even consider the SLR. The SLR has however conquered some of the folks who firstly look for something hardcore and comfortable at the same time: two ideals which the SLR fullfills.


Don't let this thread turn into a flame war, please. I respect your opinions, but sometimes, you're posting stuff which has no truth to it like your claim that "Mercedes cannot build a sports car / supercar". Anyone who knows a bit about Mercedes history will know that they can probably be attributed to also have "invented the sports car" as well in the late 19th century when they participated Paris to _____ races.

I'm going to ask you one question, show me where I said Mercedes couldn't build a supercar or sports car? Once you see I never made such a statement you will know just how much time you've wasted!

Hey but thinks for all the pics!

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

I never said anything about disrespect, will you please read. I said you are discrediting Mercedes by saying that they cannot build supercars because of there pedigree and that the SLR is not a supercar. The SLR is a supercar FACT! and therefor Mercedes can build supercars FACT!

Your sonata comment is just as basic and ignorant as your 3 legged dog comment. The fact is, the SLR IS selling so obviously someone somewhere said, they want to buy a supercar from Mercedes as opposed to Ferrari.

Alright I'm done arguing with you you just keep repeating the same thing.

This is funny to me! I'm starting to get were your coming from! Where your from "known for & cannot" mean the samething, I'm sorry I guess I'm the fool!

 

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

Ummmm....

1928 Mercedes-Benz 27/170/225-PS Typ SSK Sport-Zweisitzer powered by a massive 7065cc straight-6 with 225-horsepower. The car had an insane top speed (for the period) of 192 km/h (119 mph). Supercar? Hell no. Just another average Benz...

Yep, nothing special. Not proven and not credible sports cars...

LOL, the "Uhlenhaut SLR". What a car for posers. A crappy 3-l inline-8 engine that took it to a pathetic top speed of 300 km/h. Pathetic...

1955 Mercedes-Benz W196R. This car used stoneage technology. 2497cc 8-cylinder, 290-horsepower and a top speed of 305 km/h (190 mph). Stoneage technology, like I said...

1955 Mercedes-Benz Rennsportwagen 300SLR: 2982cc 8-cylinder, 302-horsepower and a top speed of 300 km/h. It won the 1955 Mille Miglia in a record time which until this day has not been beaten...nothing special obviously...

1952 Mercedes-Benz Rennsportwagen 300SL: This car is most famous for its spectacular victory in 1952 in the Carrera Panamericana in Mexico, where it finished in first place with Karl Kling at the controls and Hans Klatik serving as navigator. Which credible sportscarmaker has won a race here? Ferrari? No. Porsche? No. Lambo? No.

1938 Mercedes-Benz 3-L Rennwagen W154. The vehicle won 6/9 races, including a phenomenal 1-2-3 finish in one of them. Rudolf Caracciola was perhaps the most famous driver of the W154’s. 2962cc V12 engine with 453-horsepower and a top speed of 285 km/h (177 mph). LOL, POS...

Some other, nothing special cars from poser brands like Mercedes-Benz...nothing special...

After seeing all this, I get it.

Mercedes = Poser

Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini = REAL DEAL

Wooow Cawimmer430 a whole three supercars in damn near 100 years!? Thanks for the pics! I guess you got confused when you started posting supercars that were never street legal! But hey what ever kinda smoke screen you feel is needed to prove a point that was never the subject in the first place. I guess it's good in all my previous post I made sure to mention street legal just incase someone tried a tactic like this! Good try!

 

[Choleric]

This thread has gotten out of hand due to heated and unnecessary discussion, in which I participated in as well. As a result, this thread will be closed.