Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[leylandi]

Germany April BEVs Top 10

ID.3 3518
Elroq 3341
Enyaq 2790
ID.7 2541
iX1 2421
CLA 2385
ID.4 2064
Model Y 1968
INSTER 1520
A6 1510

 

[Dopebouy]

Germany April BEVs Top 10

ID.3 3518
Elroq 3341
Enyaq 2790
ID.7 2541
iX1 2421
CLA 2385
ID.4 2064
Model Y 1968
INSTER 1520
A6 1510

Will BMW release an i1 or i2?

 

[leylandi]

 

[Esp5]

Will BMW release an i1 or i2?

Yes, that's what it's been reported.

 

[Rolf]

In my opinion the important changes for the SL and GT AMG is replacing the SL43/GT43 with the SL53/GT53 with 450PS inline 6, and new V8s for the SL55/GT55 (increase power to 395kw (537PS) /750nm) and SL63/GT63 (increase power to 500kw (680PS)/900nm). The SL should get an adaptive suspension with increased comfort, with a bigger difference between sport and comfort. The GT could also benefit from a more comfortable suspension but still keeping firm body control and sharp steering for fast cornering. The interior needs to remove the black piano black trim on the doors and centre console. Styling doesn't need many changes as both cars look good.

 

[Centurion]

The GT could also benefit from a more comfortable suspension but still keeping firm body control and sharp steering for fast cornering.

Is mercedes a bit behind on suspension technology? The purosange, octa and recently recently facelifted panamera have very advanced have-your-cake and eat it too suspension.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Is mercedes a bit behind on suspension technology? The purosange, octa and recently recently facelifted panamera have very advanced have-your-cake and eat it too suspension.

The most advanced suspension in MBs are usually optional - the e-ABC. Those other cars are a lot more expensive at base, so include the kit as standard. Except for Porsche. But most Porsche buyers know they're getting nickled and dimed with the options there, anyway.

 

[Swissbob]

Is mercedes a bit behind on suspension technology? The purosange, octa and recently recently facelifted panamera have very advanced have-your-cake and eat it too suspension.

Nope E-ABC is still far ahead nothing comes close.

 

[leylandi]

Is mercedes a bit behind on suspension technology? The purosange, octa and recently recently facelifted panamera have very advanced have-your-cake and eat it too suspension.

The suspension in the Panamera is a different interpretation of the E-ABC system found in Mercedes.

 

[Swissbob]

The suspension in the Panamera is a different interpretation of the E-ABC system found in Mercedes.

Exactly, however the E-ABC is even more complicated and has a few additional possibilities.

 

[Serpens]

Nope E-ABC is still far ahead nothing comes close.

Disagree - the Panamera's Active Ride suspension is similar in concept to E-ABC but is even more impressive imo. It may not be tuned to your liking but it's spectacular. It's quicker acting but requires more electricity, which is why you only see it on hybrid and electric models right now. On sustained extremely bumpy roads it can consume up to 34 horsepower.

Mercedes will continue to refine E-ABC no doubt but the competition isn't sleeping. I also find out E-ABC to be just OK on the GLE and GLS (non-Maybach).

 

[Swissbob]

Disagree - the Panamera's Active Ride suspension is similar in concept to E-ABC but is even more impressive imo. It may not be tuned to your liking but it's spectacular. It's quicker acting but requires more electricity, which is why you only see it on hybrid and electric models right now. On sustained extremely bumpy roads it can consume up to 34 horsepower.

Mercedes will continue to refine E-ABC no doubt but the competition isn't sleeping. I also find out E-ABC to be just OK on the GLE and GLS (non-Maybach).

The Panamera uses the ZF sMotion suspension which is of course the far more modern but also cheaper system.

It’s quicker because it uses a more modern Computer system and more powerful pumps.

The main differences however:

E-ABC has the ability to fully variate the Springrates.

With the camera the car calculates the necessary spring/damping travel for each pothole.

Dealers have the possibility to fine tune the suspension BTW, they can change the pressure and optimize the suspension to your personal taste.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

The Panamera uses the ZF sMotion suspension which is of course the far more modern but also cheaper system.

It’s quicker because it uses a more modern Computer system and more powerful pumps.

The main differences however:

E-ABC has the ability to fully variate the Springrates.

With the camera the car calculates the necessary spring/damping travel for each pothole.

Dealers have the possibility to fine tune the suspension BTW, they can change the pressure and optimize the suspension to your personal taste.

I assume Mercedes is still developing the technology even further for the W224, because e-ABC has been around for quite some time now. At least since 2018. Possibly even earlier if its related to the C217's "Curve Control" set up.

 

[Rolf]

Im curious to know how good the FL W223 Airmatic suspension is now as it supposed to be predicitive and gather information on different roads from the cloud and other uses and then adjust the suspension to suit the road conditions.

 

[Serpens]

The Panamera uses the ZF sMotion suspension which is of course the far more modern but also cheaper system.

It’s quicker because it uses a more modern Computer system and more powerful pumps.

The main differences however:

E-ABC has the ability to fully variate the Springrates.

With the camera the car calculates the necessary spring/damping travel for each pothole.

Dealers have the possibility to fine tune the suspension BTW, they can change the pressure and optimize the suspension to your personal taste.

U.S. dealers are not adjusting E-ABC to consumer tastes, I know that for a fact.

The Porsche system has dampers that allow for independent compression and rebound characteristics, basically creating their own effective spring rate. The air springs themselves have a very low rate and are there just to support the car.

The GLS in particular displays odd oscillations and side stepping in very bumpy situations, almost as if the system is flummoxed or can't keep up. I've read reviews where they've noted this as well.

I don't particularly care what system is more complicated. The end result experience is far more important. The Panamera's breadth of ability is incredible.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Nope E-ABC is still far ahead nothing comes close.

Reviews do not mention this enough, but given how heavy the GT and SL are, the ride/handling compromise is outstanding. I can only imagine what they could have achieved if a much lighter chassis was used.

The SL could certainly do with a a slightly softer comfort mode, as I think the GT and SL should have been differentiated more as packages, with a greater focus on ride for the SL.

It seems the SL will finally be subtly repositioned with the FL. Getting rid of the 43 is also a must, as it just cheapens those whole range IMO. I haven't driven the 43 in the SL, but from the engines application in the 45 and 43's, it's IMO, not a suitable drievtrain for this vehicle.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Im curious to know how good the FL W223 Airmatic suspension is now as it supposed to be predicitive and gather information on different roads from the cloud and other uses and then adjust the suspension to suit the road conditions.

It seems Mercedes has sat on their asses for a long long time when it comes to developing the E ABC suspension technology.

As Serpens mentioned, Porsche now has a system with technical advantages. How they perform compared to each other in their intended applications would need back to back testing, but I would be surprised if the MB did not still have the superior ride.

That said, if MB weren't sitting on their assess and were still serious about remaining ahead of the competition, the system would have by now been upgraded in standard form and re-engineered for the 680s.

I think we should see major upgrades with the W224.

 

[klier]

What's he senselessly clickbait bitching about again?

Who knows, it's as moronic as ever.
A child could draw these lines.

That said, if MB weren't sitting on their assess

Well you might not like what they're doing, but sitting on their asses is literally the last thing they're doing. They're firing at 9.5 cylinders.

 

[Swissbob]

U.S. dealers are not adjusting E-ABC to consumer tastes, I know that for a fact.

The Porsche system has dampers that allow for independent compression and rebound characteristics, basically creating their own effective spring rate. The air springs themselves have a very low rate and are there just to support the car.

The GLS in particular displays odd oscillations and side stepping in very bumpy situations, almost as if the system is flummoxed or can't keep up. I've read reviews where they've noted this as well.

I don't particularly care what system is more complicated. The end result experience is far more important. The Panamera's breadth of ability is incredible.

I guess that’s probably because of the U.S. insurance policy.

I wasn’t very satisfied with the suspension over potholes, it was a little bit harsh, especially the rear wheels.

After the adjustment it, rides absolutely smooth, there are no oscillations and sidestepping either.

The suspension absorbs the bumps and returns back to normal without floating or oscillating.

However I was able to feel the oscillations on a GLS without E-ABC, it was indeed very annoying.

 

[Swissbob]

Reviews do not mention this enough, but given how heavy the GT and SL are, the ride/handling compromise is outstanding. I can only imagine what they could have achieved if a much lighter chassis was used.

The SL could certainly do with a a slightly softer comfort mode, as I think the GT and SL should have been differentiated more as packages, with a greater focus on ride for the SL.

It seems the SL will finally be subtly repositioned with the FL. Getting rid of the 43 is also a must, as it just cheapens those whole range IMO. I haven't driven the 43 in the SL, but from the engines application in the 45 and 43's, it's IMO, not a suitable drievtrain for this vehicle.

The GT and SL have a different system.

Mercedes-AMG SL 63 4Matic+ im Test | Dynamik neu definiert

Der neue Mercedes-AMG SL 63 4Matic+ verspricht mehr Dynamik und Sportlichkeit. Unser Test verrät, ob er hält, was er verspricht.

www.auto-motor-und-sport.de

But I agree it hasn’t been mentioned enough.