Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[AbsoluteUnit]

I have no doubt that if they fitted the V12 into this car without major modification, people would complain about it. It's quite laggy and will make the car nose-heavy. I don't mind this in a large sedan or SUV, but that won't be a good fit for the SL in my opinion. The Maybach should be a be far more differentiated than it is now though, I must say.

A Maybach SL shouldn't concern itself with being laggy or nose heavy.
And even with the enormous turbolag, the M279 has so much torque it doesn't really matter. 1000Nm from 2300-4300rpm is more than enough to get you out of trouble (Especially with the newer automatic box, which they should uprate to handle 1000Nm).

 

[Serpens]

A Maybach SL shouldn't concern itself with being laggy or nose heavy.
And even with the enormous turbolag, the M279 has so much torque it doesn't really matter. 1000Nm from 2300-4300rpm is more than enough to get you out of trouble (Especially with the newer automatic box, which they should uprate to handle 1000Nm).

Doesn't mean it's going to resonate with actual customers. It's not like the Maybach S650 Cabriolet flew off the lot - despite there only being a handful brought to the U.S. I know of a few that sat on the lot for quite a bit.

Every manufacturer has to grapple with the fact the grand tourer market is dead or dying around the world. Pure lux just doesn't resonate the way it used to outside of Rolls-Royce.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Doesn't mean it's going to resonate with actual customers. It's not like the Maybach S650 Cabriolet flew off the lot - despite there only being a handful brought to the U.S. I know of a few that sat on the lot for quite a bit.

I think that's a larger problem with the SL in general. But if you're going to do a limited run Maybach, which has some appeal for people who want it just to show off. Then they won't care its a bit laggy, cause its not a sports car.

Every manufacturer has to grapple with the fact the grand tourer market is dead or dying around the world. Pure lux just doesn't resonate the way it used to outside of Rolls-Royce.

I can't argue with this. Everyone wants a bloody SUV. Appalling really.
I think that's why they tried making the SL a sports car - they just f#cked up by cheaping out on MSA by not making it light-weight.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Are you sure about that??

The Super Rich have entire home cinemas and a 65inch OLED in damn near every room if the real estate market speaks of any trend.

I pretty much work exclusively for the super rich, ie millionaires and billionaires in london.

Royalty, celebs, old money families people have conspiracy theories about and new money tech families, to oligarchs and chinese newly rich.

I get to see every room. £120 million pound houses, £70 million pound apartments, a select few may have cinema rooms, most dont, and they dont have TV’s in every room. And where they do have TV’s id say 65” is probably the biggest.

Its a very noticeable trend, as before I worked for the super rich, I started my career going into the poorer peoples homes, and usually the poorer the person, ie state handouts, the bigger the TV.

Its comical.

No rich people spend very little time infront of the TV

 

[Merc1]

I wonder what it would cost to just simply update the V12.

M

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I pretty much work exclusively for the super rich, ie millionaires and billionaires in london.

Royalty, celebs, old money families people have conspiracy theories about and new money tech families, to oligarchs and chinese newly rich.

I get to see every room. £120 million pound houses, £70 million pound apartments, a select few may have cinema rooms, most dont, and they dont have TV’s in every room. And where they do have TV’s id say 65” is probably the biggest.

Its a very noticeable trend, as before I worked for the super rich, I started my career going into the poorer peoples homes, and usually the poorer the person, ie state handouts, the bigger the TV.

Its comical.

No rich people spend very little time infront of the TV

Are you hiring !?

I get where you're coming from. But I guess its old money vs new money. Old money people I guess don't like screens as much. New money probably more ostentatious - particularly the large swathes of tech stock/crypto millionaires.

There is a balance between appealing to both kinds of people. I think the W222 was probably closest to it, and Mercedes need to recover that.

As for what old money people think? I don't value the opinions of inherited wealth all that much. Frankly speaking, I don't think rich people should be paid much thought in general. They live lives so far removed from the rest of us mere mortals, and yet they can never quite have enough... But that's for another time and place.

 

[Ghost1]

I’ll tell you what must be next:

Automakers, including the long-suffering Mercedes, have long needed to grasp a simple truth: the world is waiting for cars worthy of the Art Deco era: with brilliance, grandeur, and unapologetic magnificence. And what do they do?


Instead, they keep producing cars for the kind of characters shown in that picture:

people chewing their sandwiches, all sorts of pushovers, left-leaning weaklings, and hopeless cuckolds, with every possible nuisance in society happily climbing onto their heads like some 5ucking low life migrants.
Those who do their yearly wrap-ups on Instagram every December 31st, which no one gives a f#ck about…


We need grandeur -not this ridiculous “biodynamic design” made for brainless sissy hipsters sipping smoothies and blowing vape clouds that taste like ripe mango. The f#cking EQ lineup, of course, doesn’t sell , but the G-Wagen does. So draw the f#cking conclusions.

Their latest Art Deco–style concept is a celebration in itself. It’s magnificent, it’s alive, it actually remembers what it means to be a car instead of a household appliance on wheels. So build it. Just f#cking build it, for heaven’s sake.

f#ck lefts, f#ck communism, f#ck Putin. I’ll uck them till they love me 5aggots.

 

[Ghost1]

I wonder what it would cost to just simply update the V12.

M

V12?

Soon there won’t be any v12s. Instead, there will be built-in dildos for modern boys. And text apologies to criminal migrants will be displayed on the rear lights.

 

[Swissbob]

I wonder what it would cost to just simply update the V12.

M

I think the same.Twin Scroll Turbos would already improve the lag.

 

[Matski]

@Ghost1...

Stop being a prick or you get banned again.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

@Ghost1...

Stop being a prick or you get banned again.

I can't lie, its funny for now, but this gimmick will get old fast.

 

[Merc1]

V12?

Soon there won’t be any v12s. Instead, there will be built-in dildos for modern boys. And text apologies to criminal migrants will be displayed on the rear lights.

Or even a new one based on the I6. I know a lot to ask.

M

 

[Swissbob]

Or even a new one based on the I6. I know a lot to ask.

M

I guess on the longterm this sounds possible, TBH Mercedes Benz underestimated the importance of the V12 engine.

The V12 is only laggy as long as it’s cold, with hot oil it starts to pull from low down.

Edit: The S650 was way too expensive compared to the S65 it was based on, in germany it was 102000€ more than the S65. (357k instead of 255k).

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Or even a new one based on the I6. I know a lot to ask.

M

One of THE great things about the M279 is that it's a very reliable motor. And reasonably efficient considering it's insane power and torque.
I think the most likely way it gets updated is getting compatibility with the 48V mild hybrid system. And maybe as was previously stared, some new twin scroll turbos Or e-turbos.

There's no doubt in my mind, that with a few tweaks and a higher redline, that motor is capable of producing more power than a small nuclear reactor.

 

[SKY]

Modell	Batterie netto-nutzbar	Leistung	Reichweite
	(kWh)	(PS)	(km)
C 200 EQ	64	?	ca. 560
C 250 EQ	85	?	ca. 740
C 300 4matic EQ	85	422	ca. 720
C 300+ EQ	94	367	ca. 800
C 400 4matic EQ	94	489	ca. 780
AMG C EQ	?	952	?

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Looking at it with more time, seriously, isn’t there anyone at MB who has given a look to the next 3er spy pics and said “look guys, let’s get back to the drawing board. Our competitors have a seriously good looking car in the making and we have another fugly egg instead”.

I guess the answer is Gordon stepped in and just changed the front grille.

 

[klier]

I pretty much work exclusively for the super rich, ie millionaires and billionaires in london.

Royalty, celebs, old money families people have conspiracy theories about and new money tech families, to oligarchs and chinese newly rich.

I get to see every room. £120 million pound houses, £70 million pound apartments, a select few may have cinema rooms, most dont, and they dont have TV’s in every room. And where they do have TV’s id say 65” is probably the biggest.

Its a very noticeable trend, as before I worked for the super rich, I started my career going into the poorer peoples homes, and usually the poorer the person, ie state handouts, the bigger the TV.

Its comical.

No rich people spend very little time infront of the TV

Funny, you came over as being the super rich. Turns out you're just a real estate agent pretending to know how these people live.

 

[kiki voinea]

I pretty much work exclusively for the super rich, ie millionaires and billionaires in london.

Royalty, celebs, old money families people have conspiracy theories about and new money tech families, to oligarchs and chinese newly rich.

I get to see every room. £120 million pound houses, £70 million pound apartments, a select few may have cinema rooms, most dont, and they dont have TV’s in every room. And where they do have TV’s id say 65” is probably the biggest.

Its a very noticeable trend, as before I worked for the super rich, I started my career going into the poorer peoples homes, and usually the poorer the person, ie state handouts, the bigger the TV.

Its comical.

No rich people spend very little time infront of the TV

Oh yes , the old dog trick

Dude , you have the most bollocks story around here , starting from "going to the airport in my AMG GTR" to "hey look , rich dudes don't watch tv. trust me ,bro"

First : TVs have got more accessible than ever . You can get a >65inch tv for a few hundred euros.

A big TV is no longer a flex . Not even for poor people .

Second : All ultra luxury houses have a interior designer. And there is absolutely no designer out there that will say "ok , let's put this 100inch TV that will fill almost all the wall" , because it will ruin the heck out of that design.


Third : Rich people don't stay on GCF...haha

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Looking at it with more time, seriously, isn’t there anyone at MB who has given a look to the next 3er spy pics and said “look guys, let’s get back to the drawing board. Our competitors have a seriously good looking car in the making and we have another fugly egg instead”.

I guess the answer is Gordon stepped in and just changed the front grille.

It's probably far too late to just rip up all their production tooling and supply chain. Changing the front is basically just a facelift and probably much more cost and time-efficient. Redoing the whole thing from scratch would require jumping through all the regulatory, safety etc. hoops all over again and would leave them without a car in that segment for another 3-5 years.

Better to tweak it, have it out there making some money and I guess work on the next generation. Probably skip the facelift for it and go straight to a full redesign.

 

[Rolf]

One of THE great things about the M279 is that it's a very reliable motor. And reasonably efficient considering it's insane power and torque.
I think the most likely way it gets updated is getting compatibility with the 48V mild hybrid system. And maybe as was previously stared, some new twin scroll turbos Or e-turbos.

There's no doubt in my mind, that with a few tweaks and a higher redline, that motor is capable of producing more power than a small nuclear reactor.

That engine has so much potential if it gets the updates from new CLA 1.5 engine such as the 48V mild hybrid with low speed EV mode/sailing mode etc. and changes to the turbos (E-Turbo etc.) to add low rev torque and response. It could achieve 800PS and 1100nm no problem as the Utopia is achieving 877PS already.

 

[SKY]

It's probably far too late to just rip up all their production tooling and supply chain. Changing the front is basically just a facelift and probably much more cost and time-efficient. Redoing the whole thing from scratch would require jumping through all the regulatory, safety etc. hoops all over again and would leave them without a car in that segment for another 3-5 years.

Better to tweak it, have it out there making some money and I guess work on the next generation. Probably skip the facelift for it and go straight to a full redesign.

Sad thing in any case. This looks like an EQE. Probably even worse.