Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[klier]

The Tesla cabin is already old

Did mommy forget your breakfast?

Giving up is kind of pathetic honestly.

Even the Chinese will eventually flock to outstanding products. All they need to do in Stuttgart is make outstanding products which hold true to MB's core values.

 

[Luca]

Glc interior/Gls????

 

[klier]

^ GLE/GLS

 

[leylandi]

GLE

 

[Rolf]

You know that's not bad actually. There's still physical controls

I like what they had done here. This hyperscreen or superscreen design looks much better than what is in the EQ range and the E-class. Also they have not changed the overall design of the GLE interior, kept the nice huge wood slab across the dash, the bottom row of toggle switches and even the touch pad is still there. Even the door seat switches are unchanged which is a good thing as they are miles nicer than the new seat controls. I love that they not added the black piano trim at all on the doors or center console. In my opinion it looks good and not really dated at all. It's a nice interplay of new tech with traditional elegance. It looks similar to the screen in the CLA concept, not so tall and a modernization of the previous twin screen in the current pre 2nd MOPF GLE.

 

[Design FIRST]

On the other side, just selling Maybach, won't be of any help for Mercedes.

Only my humble opinion:

I cannot take Maybach very seriously. It is little more than a perceived "lavish luxury" accessory package for higher production volume standard luxury segment M-B automobiles. And often presents itself as contrived and tacky to the point of being ridiculous. And embarrassing. A genuinely discerning M-B customer can achieve a far more tasteful job by taking advantage of what Manufaktur has to offer. Should M-B decision makers insist that Maybach exists, the brand should offer exclusive bespoke automobiles that feature exterior and interior design that are not obviously derivative.

 

[Swissbob]

Only my humble opinion:

I cannot take Maybach very seriously. It is little more than a perceived "lavish luxury" accessory package for higher production volume standard luxury segment M-B automobiles. And often presents itself as contrived and tacky to the point of being ridiculous. And embarrassing. A genuinely discerning M-B customer can achieve a far more tasteful job by taking advantage of what Manufaktur has to offer. Should M-B decision makers insist that Maybach exists, the brand should offer exclusive bespoke automobiles that feature exterior and interior design that are not obviously derivative.

As I said earlier in another thread.

At first glance they indeed look like blinged up Mercedes Benz cars.

Buy they drive completely different, suspension, sound deadening, engine and transmission calibration and so on are completely different.

In the interior you can’t even get the leather quality of the Maybach in the normal Mercedes Benz, even in the Manufaktur program.

They currently sell 20k/yr, with this size bespoke cars could be an option.

 

[Luca]

 

[Esp5]

They currently sell 20k/yr, with this size bespoke cars could be an option.

That was at its peak in 2021/2022, when Mercedes was earning 18 billion a year, things must not be close to that considering the current environment.

 

[Rolf]

I think this front end suits the GLA EV more than the CLA. I wonder if they will use similar grill to GLC with CLA headlights and lightbar

 

[Merc1]

As I said earlier in another thread.

At first glance they indeed look like blinged up Mercedes Benz cars.

Buy they drive completely different, suspension, sound deadening, engine and transmission calibration and so on are completely different.

In the interior you can’t even get the leather quality of the Maybach in the normal Mercedes Benz, even in the Manufaktur program.

They currently sell 20k/yr, with this size bespoke cars could be an option.

That’s what they are tho, a trim grade of a Mercedes.

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[Swissbob]

That’s what they are tho, a trim grade of a Mercedes.

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At first glance yes.

But the differences are bigger than between an Alpina and a BMW.

You have to drive one to feel it.

The problem is, Mercedes Benz uses the Maybach as the flagship of the specific Mercedes Benz model, therefore they can’t rave about the differences, on the other hand they had turn the car upside down to have this completely different driving experience.

In the GLS they should use the GLS63 as the flagship.

The GLS600 Maybach is a different car, which is based on the GLS Body.
In that case they could differentiate the car even further, especially design wise.

 

[Rolf]

At first glance yes.

But the differences are bigger than between an Alpina and a BMW.

You have to drive one to feel it.

The problem is, Mercedes Benz uses the Maybach as the flagship of the specific Mercedes Benz model, therefore they can’t rave about the differences, on the other hand they had turn the car upside down to have this completely different driving experience.

In the GLS they should use the GLS63 as the flagship.

The GLS600 Maybach is a different car, which is based on the GLS Body.
In that case they could differentiate the car even further, especially design wise.

I think Maybach needs to go upmarket more with their grades of leather or other unique seat materials, as well as higher grades of woods, to make them competitive with Bentley. The wood trims in the S-class Maybach are no better than what is available on the standard S-class and even the leather on the seats and doors is not much better. They need to look at even the carpets and make them denser and plusher.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I think Maybach needs to go upmarket more with their grades of leather or other unique seat materials, as well as higher grades of woods, to make them competitive with Bentley. The wood trims in the S-class Maybach are no better than what is available on the standard S-class and even the leather on the seats and doors is not much better. They need to look at even the carpets and make them denser and plusher.

What they need is unique bodywork on the same platform. It's more expensive, but then ... Charge more. There's a lot of space between Maybach and Bentley/Rolls. Move up. Not like the buyers or Maybach are price sensitive.

 

[Swissbob]

I think Maybach needs to go upmarket more with their grades of leather or other unique seat materials, as well as higher grades of woods, to make them competitive with Bentley. The wood trims in the S-class Maybach are no better than what is available on the standard S-class and even the leather on the seats and doors is not much better. They need to look at even the carpets and make them denser and plusher.

Wood trims I agree.

The leather quality is in the GLS Maybach on a different level, but GLE/GLS generally don’t have very good leather TBH.

Carpets are also in GLS Maybach much better than in the GLS.

I think the differences between the S and S-Maybach are smaller than between a GLS and a GLS Maybach.

But I generally think the GLS has to much plastic for the S in the GLS label.

 

[Rolf]

Wood trims I agree.

The leather quality is in the GLS Maybach on a different level, but GLE/GLS generally don’t have very good leather TBH.

Carpets are also in GLS Maybach much better than in the GLS.

I think the differences between the S and S-Maybach are smaller than between a GLS and a GLS Maybach.

But I generally think the GLS has to much plastic for the S in the GLS label.

The biggest mistake Mercedes made with the GLS is to use the same interior as the GLE but only add a 3rd row of seats. They need to move it upmarket to match the moniker of S-class of SUV's that Mercedes pretends to label it. It would be great if they can use the S-class interior in the GLS together with higher grades of leather and wood.

You right about the GLS and GLS Maybach, there is a much bigger gap in the quality of those cars interiors with the type of leather used and the rear reclining seat of the GLS Maybach is on another level. The S-class Maybach needs to improve and put further distance between it and the S-class.

 

[Swissbob]

The biggest mistake Mercedes made with the GLS is to use the same interior as the GLE but only add a 3rd row of seats. They need to move it upmarket to match the moniker of S-class of SUV's that Mercedes pretends to label it. It would be great if they can use the S-class interior in the GLS together with higher grades of leather and wood.

You right about the GLS and GLS Maybach, there is a much bigger gap in the quality of those cars interiors with the type of leather used and the rear reclining seat of the GLS Maybach is on another level. The S-class Maybach needs to improve and put further distance between it and the S-class.

I agree 100%with you.

The GLS should be going after the Range Rover. The Maybach would be one step further.

The current GLS should be called GLE 580 L like on the S-Class.

The rear seats of the GLS Maybach combined with the smooth ride, were the reasons why I preferred this to the Cullinan and Bentayga ( both can’t be ordered with luxury seats BTW).

The Range Rover is available with these seats. But the ride is much firmer.

 

[Merc1]

At first glance yes.

But the differences are bigger than between an Alpina and a BMW.

You have to drive one to feel it.

The problem is, Mercedes Benz uses the Maybach as the flagship of the specific Mercedes Benz model, therefore they can’t rave about the differences, on the other hand they had turn the car upside down to have this completely different driving experience.

In the GLS they should use the GLS63 as the flagship.

The GLS600 Maybach is a different car, which is based on the GLS Body.
In that case they could differentiate the car even further, especially design wise.

They’re the same car tho with modifications. That is how it’s marketed as well. If it were truly a different car there would be far more differences in the sheetmetal, but I get what you’re saying about the differences in tuning and suspension etc. A more bespoke GLS Maybach would only use the GLS chassis not the body and same interior hard points. It’s going to always be hobbled by the fact they’re using a GLS to modify as a base.


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[Merc1]

What they need is unique bodywork on the same platform. It's more expensive, but then ... Charge more. There's a lot of space between Maybach and Bentley/Rolls. Move up. Not like the buyers or Maybach are price sensitive.

Right. I know Mercedes can do this but I think they’re still shell shocked over the W240 models failure. The possibilities are endless tho. Hell borrow Aston Martin’s V12 if you have to.



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[Merc1]

I wonder if the next GLS will be the one that puts it over. The facelift isn’t going to do it.

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