Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[SKY]

Looks quite absurd. As if MB liked so much Tesla Model 3 they had decided to produce one of their own with that silly fake grille attached.

 

[martinbo]

I can't wait to see this thing.

 

[klier]

It looks like a Ford Focus sedan with Model 3 front. Or am I missing something?

 

[Serpens]

guys, let's look at the chrome that runs above the windows of the car, this means that the next c class will not be a classic sedan, it will look like a miniature Eqs from the photos

No, there's a distinct difference and that relates to where the base of the windshield and side window line are located. You can see the windshield base and side window line of the EQE overlaps with the front wheels, while it is behind (and more conventional) the front wheels in the C-class electric. This alone helps proportions greatly. The rear will still have the sport back look but it seems much more Model 3 than anything.

Looks more like a Tesla Model 3

Agreed, I've been thinking this since the early spy pics. Less bubble than the EQE but still an aerodynamic design.

 

[J.E]

Could it be that M-B will get its BEV sedans "right" with the upcoming MB.EA electric C-Class sedan ?

This will be positioned to clash swords with BMWs NKL electric 3 series segment entry as well as the Audi A4 etron due later next year.

That's NOT a Mercedes, that a f#cking Hyundai.

 

[Serpens]

That's NOT a Mercedes, that a f#cking Hyundai.

Oh good, people have been accusing of Mercedes of looking Korean since the W221 S-class.

 

[Merc1]

That shape doesn’t inspire much confidence.

M

 

[J.E]

Oh good, people have been accusing of Mercedes of looking Korean since the W221 S-class.

You know, I've always thought the W220 to be a better looking car than the W221.

 

[Gor134]

That shape doesn’t inspire much confidence.

M

Definitely continuing the blob-ness of the EQ line, but at least it has a more upright A-Pillar and flatter hood similar to ICE cars!

 

[MAJESTIC]

You know, I've always thought the W220 to be a better looking car than the W221.

That's the one (and probably only) thing the W220 had over the W221... elegance and class, IMO.

 

[kerinigr]

Definitely continuing the blob-ness of the EQ line, but at least it has a more upright A-Pillar and flatter hood similar to ICE cars!

Most likely, but how cool an idea it is is also a big question.

 

[Design FIRST]

That shape doesn’t inspire much confidence.

M

And still IMHO, quite an improvement over the current EQE/EQS exterior design. What can make or break the cars visual appeal will be the details that are currently veiled under the camouflage. It is quite amazing what competent sculpturing can achieve. In my eyes, the W/S214 E-Class is a good example.

 

[Design FIRST]

The AMG version of the upcoming electric C-Class sedan is presenting an impressive stance :

We should also be seeing some new spy footage of AMG.EA 4 door GT prototypes soon. Especially considering the more recent presentations of the VAG J1.2 Taycan/etron GT cars. AMG will be keen on whetting appetites.

 

[Rolf]

This is an eye opener from JESMB they have an article about the used prices of the latest Mercedes EV's and the way these cars drop in value over 1, 2 or 3 years is really scary and highly concerning for a potential new buyer.

Mercedes electric cars used very cheap
EQA, EQB, EQC and EQE are very cheap to have as Young Stars

Car manufacturers need the electric cars to meet the EU CO2 fleet targets. Companies want to optimize their CO2 balance, so fleet customers often also drive electric cars.

But on the used car market, the spark has not yet jumped over so much. Private customers are still hesitating.

This makes the electric models such as EQA, EQB, EQC and EQE very cheap.
EQA as a young star:
EQA currently offers 440 Young Stars on the online platform.

EQA 250 from summer 2021 are already available for around 31,690 euros. They then have a range of around 420 km. EQA 250 from the production date of June 2022 have the PSM machine installed and can travel up to 496 km (+67 km compared to the EQA 250 with the ASM machine).

The depreciation compared to the EQA 250 list price for a 3-year-old EQA 250 is 38%.

EQA 250 facelift models from December 2023 are also already available. They cost from 41,890 EUR and are just 6 months old. The depreciation at the list price is 22%.

Or another EQA 250 (VorMopf) with around 10,000 km and 11 months old costs 36,880 euros and thus about 32% less than new cars as a year-old car.

EQB as a Young Star:

In the EQB, the 250 variant was installed as a PSM machine from ZF right from the start. So there are fewer changes here that you would have to pay attention to than used car buyers.

EQB 250 from November 2022 with less than 10,000 km cost from 34,440 EUR. The loss of value after less than 2 years is a whopping 37%. Vehicles (VorMopf) from November 2023 start at 37,990 EUR. This corresponds to 31% less in a good 7-8 months. There are currently 236 vehicles of the EQB.

EQC as a young star:
The EQC impresses with its extreme noise comfort. To get 408 hp so quietly on the road has to be experienced.

Since it has two ASM machines, the efficiency is not outstanding as with the PSM machine from EQA and EQB. Production of the EQC has now been discontinued, as it is based on the 253 GLC platform and the Bremen plant only has the current generation GLC (254) in production.

3-year-old models with mileages of 50,000 to 130,000 km are available from 37,000 euros, which would be around 47% less than the former purchase price.

302 EQC young stars are currently available.

EQE sedan as a young star:
310 vehicles of the EQE sedan are available as young stars. The price for an EQE 300 with first registration from March 2023 is 46,000 euros. The year-old car is therefore a good 32% cheaper than new.

An EQE 43 AMG from February 2022 still costs 63,780 euros, which is 39% below the former new price.

EQE SUV as a young star:
74 vehicles are currently available from the EQE SUV as a young star. Prices for the EQE 300 SUV start at EUR 59,990 (6-month-old vehicle), which is 28% lower than the list price.

An EQE 500 4matic SUV is available from 79,990 euros. The depreciation for the 8-month-old vehicle is a good 22%.

EQS Sedan as a young star:
Here is a vehicle from the EQS 350, which is unpopular in Germany, with the 90.56 kWh battery. They are available from 59,000 EUR and are 2 years old with mileages of around 20,000 km. That's a 40% drop in value.

The EQS 450+ with a range of around 780 km WLTP costs from 60,000 euros, but then already has 50,000 km under its belt, but is also only 2 years old. Here, the loss of value is a whopping 46%.

100 vehicles are available.

EQS SUV as a young star:
The EQS SUV has 21 young stars available. The cheapest example is currently an EQS 450 4matic SUV for 83,990 euros. The discount here is 27% for a 1-year-old car with less than 20,000 km.

https://jesmb.de/22740/

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Electric cars are like electronics/appliances.
Because they are still a young technology, the advancements in tech are rapid, which means a car is out of date basically as soon as it launches, because the R&D Tech has advanced by such a large degree already behind the scenes.

 

[Matski]

This is an eye opener from JESMB they have an article about the used prices of the latest Mercedes EV's and the way these cars drop in value over 1, 2 or 3 years is really scary and highly concerning for a potential new buyer.

Maybe less scary if the cars are sold initially with anything like the discounts In China, where at the moment, EQ models make up 6 out of the top 10 most heavily discounted vehicles... starting at half price for the EQS.

 

[Centurion]

Electric cars are like electronics/appliances.
Because they are still a young technology, the advancements in tech are rapid, which means a car is out of date basically as soon as it launches, because the R&D Tech has advanced by such a large degree already behind the scenes.

I would argue it’s the opposite for EVs. A new model EV is only marginally better than a 4 year old model 3. Behind the wheel even a 6 years old model S is still decent.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I would argue it’s the opposite for EVs. A new model EV is only marginally better than a 4 year old model 3. Behind the wheel even a 6 years old model S is still decent.

Tesla are in a unique situation. They're battery/range is undeniably amazing, but they lack in other areas for a company operating in the luxury price bracket. But even still they are considered reasonable disposable.
That advantage for Tesla stems from building ground up EVs from the beginning, which they have perfected over the last decade. However the ICE giants did not do this beyond some niche offerings like the Chevy Volt or the Nissan Leaf. So their EVs specifically are being iterates on rapidly.
So a product you buy now, will be out of date in a year or two. Range and charging speed, etc.

 

[leylandi]

Mercedes is now developing two completely new S-Class

Ola Källenius emphasises that in the long term there is no way around electric cars in the passenger car sector. However, the transformation will take longer.

From wind turbines to car wheels, the efficiency is at least 70%.

With e-fuels, the figure is around 10%, a loss of a good 90%.

Nevertheless, there will be two completely new S-Class models before the end of the decade. The combustion engines are kept in good shape and are currently very modern.

This was a surprise bombshell. Originally, the plan was to extend the lifespan of models here and there into the 2030s with a second facelift because the switch to electromobility was delayed somewhat.

The S-Class will receive its first facelift in mid-2026 after a good 5.5 years of construction (unusually late). The EQS will receive its facelift at the end of 2025. The EVA2/EVA2M and MRA2 platforms will roll off the production line in parallel at Plant 56 in Sindelfingen.

Both new S-Classes will not have any compromises like the BMW 7 Series and i7 (long hood for the combustion engine, long wheelbase for the battery = extra-long car).

Originally, the new all-electric S-Class was supposed to come to MB.EA-L in 2028 with the new EDU3 (electric motor).

When the new combustion engine S-Class will arrive is not known. "Still this decade," says Ola Källenius.

If the statement “brand new” is to be believed, this cannot actually mean the facelift in mid-2026, because the sheet metal will not be touched due to the expensive molds.

However, it can be assumed that the electric S-Class will be more similar to the combustion engine S-Class in terms of design, as the aerodynamic EQS / EQE design has not been so well received.

The expensive part, or a large part of the current vehicle development, is the cost of the electrics/electronics kits, assistance systems and infotainment. Both S-Class models can then share this.

Mercedes entwickelt nun zwei ganz neue S-Klassen

Zwei neue Mercedes S-Klassen noch in diesem Jahrzehnt - eine ganz neue rein elektrische sowie eine neue mit Verbrenner

jesmb.de

 

[Merc1]

Long as they're good looking, quality and have all the other proper S-Class attributes, they'll be fine. You can't do another ugly EQS. Two S-Classes is almost too good to be true, if they're both a hit.

M