Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[Merc1]

Who named a modified Dodge? First generations of Viper did not had ABS or any stability system.
And yet , had 8000cmc RWD. You knew what you bought

Same with Tesla. No misleading .

And resting one hand on the steering wheel is not that bad. Just resting , no input.

Don't be so dramatic. You should try at least AP. And compare it with Distronic or Cruise Control or ACC.

I am ok with having to supervise the car driving itself. It's like letting my wife drive the car. One eye on her , but still relaxing for me.

Then we simply disagree. It’s a total nothing to me. Boasting and then disclaiming when it fails. The Viper reference is as terrible as it is invalid. It never pretended to be anything other than the crude, raw car it was. That is NOT what Tesla, its awful founder, and its fans do, they defend this gimmick and when it fails it’s the media fault. Tell the families of the people who died about being dramatic. I would hope your wife would see a big red fire truck parked on the side of the road. I’d rather drive myself than have to “watch” someone else drive. The point of me not driving in that instance is to relax, not supervise someone else driving. You’ve convinced yourself all backwards in order to justify this underbaked gimmick.

M

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Should Dodge be responsible that they put an 8000cc engine without any stability system , and people crash them often?

I quote , from the owners manual :

Warning
Full Self-Driving Capability is a hands-on feature. Keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times and be mindful of road conditions, surrounding traffic, and other road users (such as pedestrians and cyclists). Pay attention to the road at all times and always be prepared to take immediate action. Failure to follow these instructions could cause damage, serious injury or death.


As long as you agree with this , it is strictly your decision to use it or not. But at least it gives you the option to use it.

I know that this days , people are so easily offended and triggered by anything , and they want everything to be easy as heck , because people are stupid and lazy , but come on...

But hey , I think also Tide is reponsible for kids eating pods for fun...

There is a massive difference between a driver not knowing how to drive a powerful car, and a car not knowing how to drive itself.

Simply passing off the liability of the software to the user to take control if it goes wrong is not fully autonomous driving. Its functionally pointless, because you need to be just as switched on, as if you were driving yourself.

So what's the point?


All of this self-driving shit from all manufacturers is a massive nothing. It is decades away from ever becoming a reality.

Also, a safer system that is less fully-featured is automatically by default better than a more-featured system that is dangerous.

 

[kiki voinea]

Ok. Analogies don't work on this forum.

Keep it your way. I will keep using AP and I am more than happy with it. And I would give a more "bold" assisted system over a ultra-conservative system any day.

Nobody has to be like me.

Again , I am an avid user of this systems. You probably aren't. And I am more than objective , because I have daily driven an W222 with Distronic Plus for over 7 years and 200.000km , and AP is on the next level.

Level 3 right now on MB looks more like a statement , rather than a improvement , for dudes like me.

A gimmick . Nothing more.

I would hope your wife would see a big red fire truck parked on the side of the road. I’d rather drive myself than have to “watch” someone else drive.

Calm down , Satan...

 

[Merc1]

Ok. Analogies don't work on this forum.

Keep it your way. I will keep using AP and I am more than happy with it. And I would give a more "bold" assisted system over a ultra-conservative system any day.

Nobody has to be like me.

Again , I am an avid user of this systems. You probably aren't. And I am more than objective , because I have daily driven an W222 with Distronic Plus for over 7 years and 200.000km , and AP is on the next level.

Level 3 right now on MB looks more like a statement , rather than a improvement , for dudes like me.

A gimmick . Nothing more.

Calm down , Satan...

No because those so called analogies either don’t apply or they’re ridiculous. Satan? Wtf are you even talking about? Man you need help.

M

 

[kiki voinea]

No because those so called analogies either don’t apply or they’re ridiculous. Satan? Wtf are you even talking about? Man you need help.

M

I would hope your wife would see a big red fire truck parked on the side of the road. I’d rather drive myself than have to “watch” someone else drive.

The only help I need is to understand wtf is wrong with some of you on this forum

I said that for me driving with AP is like taking a drive with my wife on the wheel (I enjoy the relaxation , but still keep an eye on the road ; if your processor did not understand it ) , and you respond by saying that you "hope that my wife would see a big red fire truck"

Wtf is wrong with you? Are you some sort of sociopathic maniac?

Jesus...

I'm out.

 

[Merc1]

The only help I need is to understand wtf is wrong with some of you on this forum

I said that for me driving with AP is like taking a drive with my wife on the wheel (I enjoy the relaxation , but still keep an eye on the road ; if your processor did not understand it ) , and you respond by saying that you "hope that my wife would see a big red fire truck"

Wtf is wrong with you? Are you some sort of sociopathic maniac?

Jesus...

I'm out.

I said that because that is what Teslas were slamming into when on auto pilot genius. Who finds it relaxing to watch someone else’s driving? That’s just plain dumb. If someone else capable is driving and we are going long distance, I’m sleeping, not watching their driving. That’s the point. Terrible analogy like I said before. Satan? Sociopathic maniac? Wow you’re really gone. Calling someone Satan because they don’t agree with you in car forum I think would qualify you as the “sociopath”.

M

 

[Merc1]

There is a massive difference between a driver not knowing how to drive a powerful car, and a car not knowing how to drive itself.

Simply passing off the liability of the software to the user to take control if it goes wrong is not fully autonomous driving. Its functionally pointless, because you need to be just as switched on, as if you were driving yourself.

So what's the point?


All of this self-driving shit from all manufacturers is a massive nothing. It is decades away from ever becoming a reality.

Also, a safer system that is less fully-featured is automatically by default better than a more-featured system that is dangerous.

Bingo. Exactly.

M

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Ok. Analogies don't work on this forum.

Analogies work fine. You just have to use a good one.

Keep it your way. I will keep using AP and I am more than happy with it. And I would give a more "bold" assisted system over a ultra-conservative system any day.

Nobody has to be like me.

Again , I am an avid user of this systems. You probably aren't. And I am more than objective , because I have daily driven an W222 with Distronic Plus for over 7 years and 200.000km , and AP is on the next level.

Level 3 right now on MB looks more like a statement , rather than a improvement , for dudes like me.

Good for you.

But its all just a gimmick to me. Not until I can sit in the passenger seat and have the car drive me to a destination without killing me or a pedestrian or a cyclist.

 

[Pagani]

Here I thought there was something new in the “What’s next” topic…

 

[kiki voinea]

Here I thought there was something new in the “What’s next” topic…

And it was. A discussion about Level 3 on MB. That should be "the next big thing".

 

[dalab]

"the next big thing".

Kind of sad that that is, if you ask me.

 

[kiki voinea]

Kind of sad that that is, if you ask me.

Why? Because it's unpolished and useless? Or?

 

[dalab]

Why? Because it's unpolished and useless? Or?

On the contrary, because one day it will be polished and will serve, (things are changing at the speed of light), and that the next thing for a brand will be perhaps not being able to drive them under penalty of being fined as in iRobot, it is difficult to digest.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Sometimes its just nice to drive for a bit of fun, and not have to go to a track to do it.

 

[leylandi]

According to a report in Handelsblatt, Mercedes-Benz is currently having problems installing 48-volt systems from Bosch. The reason is delivery bottlenecks at the supplier of the 48-volt battery.

According to information from Handelsblatt, the 48 volt systems that Mercedes-Benz uses as standard in all modern diesel and gasoline models are currently only available to a limited extent. The magazine learned this from corporate circles at Mercedes-Benz. Accordingly, production in the Bremen, Sindelfingen and Beijing plants has had to be repeatedly adjusted and even throttled over the past few weeks. @dalab

Indirect confirmation from Mercedes-Benz

Mercedes-Benz also indirectly confirmed problems with production in a company statement yesterday: “Sales fell by 17 percent to 81,500 units in the third quarter as production was affected by a bottleneck at a supplier,” it says in reference to the low sales of the SUV bestseller GLC. According to Handelsblatt information, the supplier is Bosch and the missing parts are 48-volt technology for the mild hybrid drives. However, Bosch is said to be working hard to eliminate the delivery problems. mbpassion

 

[dalab]

According to a report in Handelsblatt, Mercedes-Benz is currently having problems installing 48-volt systems from Bosch. The reason is delivery bottlenecks at the supplier of the 48-volt battery.

Right they have a problem, which does not mean that for the last two years they have been blaming third parties for the decline, I haven't heard others complaining for a long time, what I don't understand is that Bosch is everyone's supplier and the problem is only with them.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Other companies don't have 48V systems applied so unilaterally across all their cars as far as I'm aware.
They have it rolled out throughout their lineup of 2L petrol and diesel engines, 3L engines and their non-AMG V8s as well.

 

[leylandi]

All models except the SL, AMG GT and G class are produced with the 48V system.

 

[Amat46]

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[BorkLaser]

BUT , it can't get pass legislation.

As you might know , Tesla is not so "friendly" with the US Government . I don't think Biden ever mentioned the word "Tesla" in his life.

I mean Biden´s predecessor in the White House doesn´t seem to think that much favorable either about Tesla´s CEO and his endeavours.

That being said Mercedes-Benz managed to approve their Drive Pilot for Level 3, because Mercedes-Benz takes liability, if something should happen.