Not sure if it’s overall the same, they might’ve tweaked it a little.
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The Mercedes-Benz W223 is the seventh generation of the S‑Class full-size luxury sedan. Body Styles: W223 (standard), V223 (long), Z223 (limousine, Mercedes-Maybach). Predecessor: S‑Class (W222). Successor: S-Class (W224) [expected]. Production: 2020- Model years: 2021-
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Or does anybody have a picture of the M178 LS2’s exhaust manifolds to further verify?Not sure if it’s overall the same, they might’ve tweaked it a little.
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I don’t think it needs to grow that much. While they look pretty similar to each other you can still tell which one is which. Even the 7er is gigantic at 5.39, so I can’t even imagine the W224 at 5.5 meters. The proportions would look off as well, so they would have to raise the car in order to make it more balanced.Dunno about you guys but don’t you think the S needs to be bigger now? It has remained the same size for quite a while now, Exactly same since since the W221 gen to be exact :
(N.B Both models are LWB)
The W224 should definitely gain a size advantage for more presence, SWB version should be around 5,3M long & 1,55M height . For LWB model it should be around 5.5M (Maybach will have to move to 5.7M long) . it is the “S-class” afterall.
Even the W214 E-Class has caught up with the W223 SWB in size, it’s not that much bigger anymore:
This is the current W223 LWB vs 7 Series G70 SWB. The 7 is bigger in it’s normal format.
Merc needs to understand that the S-class is the “Halo Mercedes” it’s a Godly model within the Merc range, So it must be treated as such.
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Fantastic video.
I couldn’t have summarized it better myself.
In two minutes, the guy explains and demonstrates exactly the reality of the W223.
Our family has been running a vehicle resale business for 30 years. Absolutely every W223 we have sold over the past six years has (almost new one, used, used with JungeSterne warranty), sooner or later, developed some kind of fault or issue — problems that are completely unacceptable for a car of this price range and age, and which simply did not occur in previous generations.
And the interior is worse than in a Dacia — yes, genuinely worse: more rattles, more squeaks, and poorer overall assembly. With such basic issues, not even heated seat belts or leather from (for all I care) cattle massaged daily can help the S-Class.
That’s why I keep saying that the W223 does not deserve to carry the S-Class name.
I couldn’t have summarized it better myself.
In two minutes, the guy explains and demonstrates exactly the reality of the W223.
Our family has been running a vehicle resale business for 30 years. Absolutely every W223 we have sold over the past six years has (almost new one, used, used with JungeSterne warranty), sooner or later, developed some kind of fault or issue — problems that are completely unacceptable for a car of this price range and age, and which simply did not occur in previous generations.
And the interior is worse than in a Dacia — yes, genuinely worse: more rattles, more squeaks, and poorer overall assembly. With such basic issues, not even heated seat belts or leather from (for all I care) cattle massaged daily can help the S-Class.
That’s why I keep saying that the W223 does not deserve to carry the S-Class name.
You have bad info. The current 7-series doesn't have different wheelbase versions as in the past. It's a standardized, 126.6 inches, which is EXACTLY the same as the current S-Class. The 7 has bulkier exterior proportions, but that affords no additional room between the axles, which is where interior space is determined. The facelift is on the same architecture so same wheelbase. The S-Class has a massive back seat and no benefit in making the car any larger. The new grill, will likely expand the tip to tail proportions slightlyDunno about you guys but don’t you think the S needs to be bigger now? It has remained the same size for quite a while now, Exactly same since since the W221 gen to be exact :
(N.B Both models are LWB)
The W224 should definitely gain a size advantage for more presence, SWB version should be around 5,3M long & 1,55M height . For LWB model it should be around 5.5M (Maybach will have to move to 5.7M long) . it is the “S-class” afterall.
Even the W214 E-Class has caught up with the W223 SWB in size, it’s not that much bigger anymore
This is the current W223 LWB vs 7 Series G70 SWB. The 7 is bigger in it’s normal format
Merc needs to understand that the S-class is the “Halo Mercedes” it’s a Godly model within the Merc range, So it must be treated as such.
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I tried configuring one but never got to the wood treatment, as if it's impossible to configure on the S580, most probably a glitch on the Swiss configurator.
In Germany it’s still possible.
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Been saying this. The materials are top notch but the build quality is straight up ass. I wonder if they fixed these issues with the facelift.
Full video of him.
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It would be appropriate for them to have fixed it… but I’m 99% sure they haven’t… because profit clearly matters more to them than the customer experience.
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Well…
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I mean I can't imagine you'd hear much in the way of noise inside the S class. But I know I'd want the power and torque of the V8.... Well if I could afford either of them lol.
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Dunno about you guys but don’t you think the S needs to be bigger now? It has remained the same size for quite a while now, Exactly same since since the W221 gen to be exact :
(N.B Both models are LWB)
The W224 should definitely gain a size advantage for more presence, SWB version should be around 5,3M long & 1,55M height . For LWB model it should be around 5.5M (Maybach will have to move to 5.7M long) . it is the “S-class” afterall.
Even the W214 E-Class has caught up with the W223 SWB in size, it’s not that much bigger anymore
This is the current W223 LWB vs 7 Series G70 SWB. The 7 is bigger in it’s normal format
Merc needs to understand that the S-class is the “Halo Mercedes” it’s a Godly model within the Merc range, So it must be treated as such.
No thanks. The SWB is perfect as it is.
They can do what they like to the LWB, but its already enough IMO.
The 7 is just so ridiculously large because of ifs EV platform.
I hope the increase in dimensions for the W224 are kept in check.
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What you report is not consistent with long term owners of the W223 on this forum.
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V12 is always the solution.
Jokes aside, I don’t think anybody buys a S-Class for its sound tbh.
Mercedes takes sound engineering extremely seriously.
Its not just about absolute noise supression in all instances. There's also worked involved to allow pleasant auditory feedback to enhance the driving experience.
Given the response to the 4 cylinders, I'm sure they'll pay much attention to the acoustic qualities of the new V8.
I agree but I guess they underestimated it massively.
Otherwise they’d have used a different engine in the C63.
I am really curious how the new engine will sound, but I am very skeptical tbh.
As you say an S-class must deliver a pleasant sound to improve the driving experience, she shouldn’t be completely quiet.
In the GLS600 they nailed it, the engine note is perfect for this kind of car.
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V12 is always the solution.
Jokes aside, I don’t think anybody buys a S-Class for its sound tbh.
I own a V12 Bi-Turbo. Its superb, would never change it for those new V6/V8 hybrid junk in the 223.
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What I’m writing are stories from our W223 customers – and in the last 6 years there have certainly been over 100 of them.
I have not yet sat in a single W223 that was solidly assembled inside and where at least something didn’t squeak, crack, or move… unfortunately.
I agree 110% with what the guy in the video is saying. The W223 is a disgrace to the S-Class name.
If any owner has had a different experience, I’m genuinely happy for them.
I just hope they’re not lying to themselves because they’re too embarrassed to admit the true
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Unfortunately true. One of our family friends has a mint condition pre-facelift W222 and refuses to get the W223, lol.What I’m writing are stories from our W223 customers – and in the last 6 years there have certainly been over 100 of them.
I have not yet sat in a single W223 that was solidly assembled inside and where at least something didn’t squeak, crack, or move… unfortunately.
I agree 110% with what the guy in the video is saying. The W223 is a disgrace to the S-Class name.
If any owner has had a different experience, I’m genuinely happy for them.
I just hope they’re not lying to themselves because they’re too embarrassed to admit the true
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