S-Class (W223) Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Facelift 2024

[Rolf]

This is an interesting comparison with the Maybach S480, GLS450 and Range Rover vs a number of top end Chinese cars, including the Maextro S800. The MOPF S-class and W224 will have to be special indeed to distance themselves from these cars.

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[Swissbob]

The e-Performance is a replacement for the S65, which was also £50k (or more) more expensive than the S63.

You can’t replace a V12 with a V8 hybrid, it’s like apples and oranges.

The V12 drives completely different.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

You can’t replace a V12 with a V8 hybrid, it’s like apples and oranges.

The V12 drives completely different.

You can't replace a V8 with a turbo 4 cylinder, but they did.

The V12 S65 was discontinued, so the S63e is basically what ended up replacing it. An insanely overpowered cruise missile. With a non-e-performance S63 on the horizon, the S63e will occupy the same place in the heirarchy as the old S65. Unless they make a new V12 AMG, but that remains to be seen.

 

[Merc1]

If nothing else the pricing puts the current S63e in the S65 position.

M

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

If nothing else the pricing puts the current S63e in the S65 position.

M

Yes exactly.

 

[Swissbob]

Over here a non hybrid S63 will be vastly more expensive. Not to mention the actual replacement to the S65 will have a V12.

I struggle to find a reason for the e-Performance to exist when there's a choice for a regular S63 as well. I doubt it'll sell if they offer both, particularly when the non hybrid will actually be cheaper (as it should be) virtually everywhere. I mean it's not like people in this segment will be worried about fuel prices.

Now if only they also offered the choice between the grille of the S63 and the regular regal S class grille........
Remember the days where you could get an OEM 'undercover' E63 AMG? Good stuff.

E63 AMG Business Line '14:

The ultimate sleeper. Downgraded exterior looks and even lacking the quad exhaust. Genius, wish they kept this going (it sold extremely poorly sadly).
I have a new found love for the W212 btw. When it was on the market 10 years ago I didn't like the boxy look, but it was ahead of its time and I pray the new design direction for MB goes back to more angularity. I am sick and tired of all the aerodynamic pebbles we have now.

Deze incognito Mercedes E Klasse herbergt 557 pk's

En de misleiding is te danken aan één van de meest briljante fabrieksopties ooit in de autoindustrie. Een unieke optie voor de klanten van Mercedes Benz die graag een E63 AMG wilden aanschaffen: het Business Package. We zien het zelden, maar het is misschien wel de leukste optie voor de E63 AMG...

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In black it’s even more understated.

 

[Swissbob]

You can't replace a V8 with a turbo 4 cylinder, but they did.

The V12 S65 was discontinued, so the S63e is basically what ended up replacing it. An insanely overpowered cruise missile. With a non-e-performance S63 on the horizon, the S63e will occupy the same place in the heirarchy as the old S65. Unless they make a new V12 AMG, but that remains to be seen.

Both decisions were stupid.

I agree.

Regarding new V12, everything is possible.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

It's not the hybrid that causes the S63 problems , it's the absolutely insane price.

It's over 50k more than the previous model. And that is stupid.

The weight according to some reviews has resulted in a firmer ride than S63 buyers are typically used to. I can't comment on this as I have not driven any S63 variant, but members like @sako97, @Swissbob and @Mick Briesgau would probably have a better idea.

Without the weight penalty they should be able to deliver a better handling and riding car. The lower price point would be a bonus, but that could easily be eaten up by the FL upgrades (interior etc) and specification changes.

 

[Swissbob]

I can comment on the predecessor(I drove a 500 and I own a 63), which was in AMG trim way firmer than the non AMG S-Class.

The AMG Comfort mode is at least 30% firmer than the non AMG in Sport.

It’s still not harsh but it feels very tight, because of the stiffer bushes of the suspension.

My dealer told me that the 223 63 AMG is even stiffer than the predecessor because of the heavy battery in the back. And because of the stiffer bushes road noise becomes an issue.

I hope that the new 63 gets a softer rear axle, because this is the problem of the current one.

 

[Swissbob]

It's not the hybrid that causes the S63 problems , it's the absolutely insane price.

It's over 50k more than the previous model. And that is stupid.

It’s very expensive, the S680 Maybach costs 8% more in Switzerland.

But that’s a V12 with far more options.

The 580 is currently the best S-Class on the market.

The performance numbers are comparable to a G63 which isn’t slow either.

 

[klier]

If nothing else the pricing puts the current S63e in the S65 position.

M

It's nothing else.