S-Class (W223) Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Facelift 2024

[AbsoluteUnit]

Ugh Mercedes whyyyyyyyyyyy. I thought we said screens weren't luxury?

Supply chains take years to build. They can't just make this disappear without incurring a huge loss on inventory.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Takes time to change course. This facelift was penned long before those comments were made.

M

Yup precisely.

But Gordon should learn to shut up sometimes.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

To my eyes driver display is at different angle (more upright?) than central display - hence this seems more as a Superscreen rather than Hyperscreen. Nice to see physical buttons on the steering wheel. With the Superscreen in the E you can skip it and get more trim around the start/stop button and on the left from the steering wheel, as well as in front of the passenger. There seems to be additional buttons under the central display too

It's definitely getting the E-class superscreen.

I wonder though if the 2nd FL of the GLS and GLE will adopt the newer solution presented in the CLA or stick with the older 'Superscreen'. I would think MB would want to roll out MB OS across the range asap.

 

[Rolf]

They just want to install the super screen so they can add in a passenger side screen which is not currently available on the current pre FL S-class, but otherwise I don't see what other benefit it has for S-class buyers. The MB OS system with AI functions will probably be the main addition for improving the user interface.

 

[GTA45E]

This one is about two weeks old but it's still a rough CGI of the W223 S-Class facelift.
I suppose I don`t mind the S adopting the E-Class interior. One element needs to stay IMO, the signature style HVAC vents.
Those have become jewelry pieces in the dashboard of the S-Class. Redesign the ones in the center stack as well as the ones for the drivers and passengers" sides instead of the turbine vents used in so many other models. This as well as the manual controls should make the cabin stand out.

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[mr.Mister]

This is what an ideal MOPF would look like to me.
If I ever buy a W223, I will have it redone like this:
- the lower part of the rear bumper, which is in black plastic - in body color
- I would have Hella make the outer glass of the rear lights in a bichromatic style for me
- front bumper cooling grilles in body color (like this W126 next to the W223 has)

And that would be it.
The headlights would always remind me slightly of the legendary W140.
The rear would look much more serious and classy, than the new one with its terrible and ultra childish star graphics....

The fact is that Wagener has run out of ideas and now all he knows how to do is rape us with logos everywhere. He is even more sick at Maybachs, where logos are practically everywhere (for example the whole hood of the SL Maybach or the whole wheel at the EQS SUV Maybach, logos, logos, logos)....CRAZY!

Mercedes was once a serious brand....now its getting more and more of a joke.

 

[Merc1]

That looks a mess. Aftermarket cheap mess.

M

 

[Luca]

GTA45E there will definitely be no eyelid in the instrument panel

 

[GTA45E]

You mean no binnacle over the instrument cluster.
That is just a CGI render in the rough. Nothing should be taken too seriously there.

 

[mr.Mister]

That looks a mess. Aftermarket cheap mess.

M

ok, then obviously for you also the W140 mopf2 looks like an aftermarket cheap mess
namely all I did was transfer the typical W140 design elements to the W223
LOL
.....
but hey! yeah the stars in the graphics in the W223 mopf will look really really serious and expensive LoooL

 

[klier]

All they really have to do is change that ugly iPad behind the steering wheel. For the rest I think the car can go on just as it is, no need to uglify it with the Wagener magic stick.

In the end I just want MB to fire Gordon in a polite way, and then for MB to have their own Neue Klasse moment (meaning a fresh start).

 

[GTA45E]

ok, then obviously for you also the W140 mopf2 looks like an aftermarket cheap mess
namely all I did was transfer the typical W140 design elements to the W223
LOL
.....
but hey! yeah the stars in the graphics in the W223 mopf will look really really serious and expensive LoooL

No, the design themes of the W140 and W223 are totally different. We are not living in the 1990s.
You can`t just plastic-slap your ideas on an existing design. It does not work that way. The look of the car would have to be repackaged, to begin with. Your ideas are too drastic, simplistic, and lacking in production finish detailing. None of this would ever work on a showroom floor.

 

[Merc1]

ok, then obviously for you also the W140 mopf2 looks like an aftermarket cheap mess
namely all I did was transfer the typical W140 design elements to the W223
LOL
.....
but hey! yeah the stars in the graphics in the W223 mopf will look really really serious and expensive LoooL

If you can’t understand that what works on one car doesn’t work on another then you’re just lost. The W140 and W223 are from different eras.

M

 

[Merc1]

No, the design themes of the W140 and W223 are totally different. We are not living in the 1990s.
You can`t just plastic-slap your ideas on an existing design. It does not work that way. The look of the car would have to be repackaged, to begin with. Your ideas are too drastic, simplistic, and lacking in production finish detailing. None of this would ever work on a showroom floor.

Bingo. We have a winner.

M

 

[mr.Mister]

Bingo. We have a winner.

M

ok, boomer

 

[mr.Mister]

No, the design themes of the W140 and W223 are totally different. We are not living in the 1990s.
You can`t just plastic-slap your ideas on an existing design. It does not work that way. The look of the car would have to be repackaged, to begin with. Your ideas are too drastic, simplistic, and lacking in production finish detailing. None of this would ever work on a showroom floor.

I disagree. The shape of the vehicle hasn't changed, just the details, which aren't drastic at all - in fact, they're much more harmonious an neutral, than they will be ever with the upcomming facelift.
I don't know who would like the lower part of the bumper, which is in ugly black plastic, while the side skirt and front bumper are at the same height in body color, more than if this part were also in body color.
The black lower parts will always remind me of the base models...(black door handles, black mirrors, black moldings and black lower body plastic parts) It looks totally cheap and like an entry-level model.
Also, bichromatic graphics are still relevant in current vehicles and are by no means a thing of the 90s.
LoL
GTA45E, pardon, Ola, is that you?

 

[klier]

ok, then obviously for you also the W140 mopf2 looks like an aftermarket cheap mess
namely all I did was transfer the typical W140 design elements to the W223
LOL
.....
but hey! yeah the stars in the graphics in the W223 mopf will look really really serious and expensive LoooL

The black lower part is done to hide the visual bulk and make the rear bumper look less like a diaper, which it does now, all body colored....

I disagree. The shape of the vehicle hasn't changed, just the details, which aren't drastic at all - in fact, they're much more harmonious an neutral, than they will be ever with the upcomming facelift.

This is 100% true. They will uglify this car one way or the other.

 

[Merc1]

ok, boomer

Ok clueless.

M

 

[GTA45E]

I disagree. The shape of the vehicle hasn't changed, just the details, which aren't drastic at all - in fact, they're much more harmonious an neutral, than they will be ever with the upcomming facelift.
I don't know who would like the lower part of the bumper, which is in ugly black plastic, while the side skirt and front bumper are at the same height in body color, more than if this part were also in body color.
The black lower parts will always remind me of the base models...(black door handles, black mirrors, black moldings and black lower body plastic parts) It looks totally cheap and like an entry-level model.
Also, bichromatic graphics are still relevant in current vehicles and are by no means a thing of the 90s.
LoL
GTA45E, pardon, Ola, is that you?

The details you are using are premature at best. Everyone knows the black plastic areas, particularly those around the exhaust are there to hide bulk. There are a number of cars that use this scheme, that includes the BMW 7-Series and quite a few other newer cars. This area is blacked out to hide mass while extenuating the exhaust pipes (and rear defuser) and maintaining the vehicle lines. You seem to have a problem with it and that is your opinion, I don`t and obviously, if Mercedes or other car owners from different brands had a problem with it, it would have been addressed already and removed.
There is no modern S-Class with black door handles and mirrors like an entry-level model. This is pure nonsense.
Yes, bichromatic graphics are used today but there are design language barriers in place for the S. Your design is too simplified and out of step with its original character. It looks cheap and lacks elegance and basic S-Class characteristics IMO. You missed the chrome lines and shapes that are needed to finish the product.
I will not argue any further with what you believe is best suited for a car design. This is your opinion. When you say something needs improving, and create art on it, that is a bold claim and you have to have the means to back it up. If you create art on your ideas, you have to be as close to original as possible, this is key to becoming at least looking halfway successful. Otherwise, it will look like tact on garbage.

 

[mr.Mister]

The details you are using are premature at best. Everyone knows the black plastic areas, particularly those around the exhaust are there to hide bulk. There are a number of cars that use this scheme, that includes the BMW 7-Series and quite a few other newer cars. This area is blacked out to hide mass while extenuating the exhaust pipes (and rear defuser) and maintaining the vehicle lines. You seem to have a problem with it and that is your opinion, I don`t and obviously, if Mercedes or other car owners from different brands had a problem with it, it would have been addressed already and removed.
There is no modern S-Class with black door handles and mirrors like an entry-level model. This is pure nonsense.
Yes, bichromatic graphics are used today but there are design language barriers in place for the S. Your design is too simplified and out of step with its original character. It looks cheap and lacks elegance and basic S-Class characteristics IMO. You missed the chrome lines and shapes that are needed to finish the product.
I will not argue any further with what you believe is best suited for a car design. This is your opinion. When you say something needs improving, and create art on it, that is a bold claim and you have to have the means to back it up. If you create art on your ideas, you have to be as close to original as possible, this is key to becoming at least looking halfway successful. Otherwise, it will look like tact on garbage.

I've been following automotive design my whole life, I even wanted to study it, because I was already accepted to the College of Art in Pforzheim, so I obviously know something about it.

I'm not stupid enough to not know that nowadays certain manufacturers use black lower parts to make the car look slimmer - especially, as you said, the new 7er, which is the same in the electric version and had to put that fat battery somewhere

But that doesn't mean that it looks better.

+ if we're being honest, even the 7er in the 'pure excellence' line, HAS all the lower parts in the body color and the car looks much much more elegant

I never wrote anywhere that there is an S-class with black door handles, but rather that the lower black plastic parts remind me of vehicles from the 90s with basic equipment - and those mostly had black lower parts, as well as door handles, mirrors and bumpers

You're writing untruths. All I changed about the taillights is that I returned the bichromatic design to them - this means that instead of the rear part of the glass, where the turn signal is under the red glass, there would now be gray glass. Thats all. The entire graphics (i.e. the 3D columns) would still remain. So I wouldn't simplify it any more than you accuse me of, but I would simply modernize the basic look.

You write that I removed the chrome strips - where?? The car is completely standard, with the night package, which is a Mercedes accessory and not my invention. The chrome is still over the tailgate, around the exhausts, on the handles and in the grille - for my taste, more than enough.

Why should it be close as it gets to a original? I've never read more nonsense. If I wanted that, then it would mean that I like it the way it is - but I don't.