May Update : De-nial is not just a river in Egypt.


SCOTT27

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May Update :
De-nial is not just a river in Egypt.:D

All eyes are on the Ring for this weekends 24hr race and expectations are high particuliar for the M3 GT. If success beckons the next phase into the scaling down of the E92 could become apparent after the incoming M3 GTS stakes it's claim in history. Plans are in the running for another ltd edition to eclipse the current and sold out GTS , success in this race is one factor , but also continuing success in the ALMS and the Jeff Koons liviered M3 that will race this years 24hr Le Mans.

Already in planning in the design stages the conventional M3 body style remains although the rear arches are more massaged and wider leading into the side sills , The wheels use a Y-shape design in 5 spokes said to be much lighter than the competition spec wheels. At the front the usual M3 aerodynamics stay but a double lip spoiler protrudes from the front a few inches. The rear retains the carbon fibre adjustible spoiler from the GTS. This is where it gets interesting in eclipsing the GTS in weight reduction. The roof remains carbon Fibre , but the bonnet and rear deck lid now join them , The lightweight glass as found on the GTS remains.
Power details are not known but the engineers have been working on getting more power from the V8 which will be matched to a DCT transmission. The car could also use the incoming M5's KERS regenerative braking and boost function.

As for the M3 GTS very bright Inka Orange , the design concept for this M3 is finished in Stealth Frozen matte black with matching wheels.
And like the GTS expect another ltd edition and another premium.
It's called saying goodbye in spectacular fashion.

With the specification released on the M3 GTS in time for the media test drives that will be commencing real soon. We will get the official announcement (but not the reveal) that there is a BMW 1er M on the horizon. The arrival of photographs indicating the quad pipes set up on the new car finally proves that this is an M car (yes it is an M car) , Interior shots of the new car show the M specific seats and instruments as well as an M steering wheel. As the summer gets on we should start to see more elements of the car come to light. As an example the current test cars are somewhat shorn of their cosmetic appendages as these are irrelevant to the testing programme as yet , towards late summer we should start seeing final cars in the FEP programme ahead of it's December launch.
The recent Jon Sibal rendering of the 1 series M shows the direction the car is heading. It is purely a "youth" project it is aimed at younger customers , it is also to show a future direction of M that has previously been forgotten.

There has been recent rumor of an indication that a BMW M7 is in the planning to target the AMG S-Klasse and S8. Unfortunately an M7 is out of the equasion particulary for several reasons. some of them being - 1. The M5 remains BMW's supersport sedan , 2. The Alpina B7 the choice if 7er drivers want more performance with their chosen luxury and of course the recent unveil of the Gran Coupe which could come in an M specification to justify it's stance and sporting intentions. Although it is in discussion there is no firm commitment to putting an M variant Gran Coupe as of yet.
Discussions are still ongoing although there has been a potential M variant produced on paper by the design team.

Did not stop their artists to have a go at imagining how it would look.

Also in discussion amidst much talk within the media is BMW's front wheel drive small car that will sit above the Project-i Mega City vehicles. Initially the 2 seater was to come first but BMW have pushed the five seater as more of a priority. slowly both are beginning to take shape with the 5 seater using the classic BMW 600 as a template , it will follow the same formula , compact , striking usable design with space for five passengers it will also be electric powered. Although the dimensions are larger than the 600 it will retain a compacter more condensed look.

As for the City car there is ongoing disussion of having a stand alone model or continuing with the 1er , internally the car is known as 100one (1001) and that could be used as a name for the city car - symbolic with 2002 , keep it as part of the 1er but use a different indentification for the car so not to collide with the larger 1er models. Again it is of many topic that have not come to agreement.
 

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So, interest was that big in the GTS. Not a single person on earth can be the slightest surprised :D

The approach reminds me of the launch of the Volvo 850 T5-R (you know, the yellow one). In that case, the car sold like nothing else, but Volvo had promised that the T5-R was to be limited and exclusive. Solution? Build an even better version and call it something else... (that was the 850R).
 
So Norbert discovered that there are some driving enthusiasts among the BMW drivers ? :D
 
By bringing an X5-M and X6-M to market, BMW have baptised the M name into the pool of profit. It is the least plausable cars they could have slapped the M logo on but monetary-wise it is worth it. So from here, they might as well put four pipes and an M logo on to any car in the line up.

Although the Alpina B7 is a golden tuner car, an M badged 7-Series performer would sell ten times the number soley because of the name. Just ask yourself when you last saw a B7 on the roads? This is Porsche Cayenne Turbo all over again. BMW sat on the fence while watching Porsche milk it and having missed the booming years of performance SUVs, BMW finally caved in with an X5-M.

They will now sit on the side lines yet again while Porsche profit from the Panamera Turbo and Mercedes continue to sell thousands of S63 and S65.

IMO, they might as well save themselves from a missed opportunity again and simply slam the X5-M engine under the bonnet of the F01.
 
By bringing an X5-M and X6-M to market, BMW have baptised the M name into the pool of profit. It is the least plausable cars they could have slapped the M logo on but monetary-wise it is worth it. So from here, they might as well put four pipes and an M logo on to any car in the line up.

Exactly. Now that Pandora's box is wide open and there are no restraining "rules of tradition" on how to make an M and how not to - just go ahead, make some money, stop pretending that the 7-series is "not suitable".
 
By bringing an X5-M and X6-M to market, BMW have baptised the M name into the pool of profit.

You think the mere creation of M brand and AMG brand was not already baptised into pool of profit? These brands are made to make more money from get go. That is the primary purpose. Rest is secondary.;)
 
^^^ And were were all these vocals when BMW decided years ago that a 2000 + kg heavy 6er cabrio was suited for the M treatment? Hmmmm :eusa_thin

Instead, we get clueless responses like this:

They will now sit on the side lines yet again while Porsche profit from the Panamera Turbo and Mercedes continue to sell thousands of S63 and S65.


Uhm? Ok? Was a BMW driver looking at you in the wrong way today or something?
The 'yet again' part was particularly funny!

The approach reminds me of the launch of the Volvo 850 T5-R (you know, the yellow one). In that case, the car sold like nothing else, but Volvo had promised that the T5-R was to be limited and exclusive. Solution? Build an even better version and call it something else... (that was the 850R).


Not only yellow! A friend's father used to have one in racing green-ish. It was available in 3 or 4 colors I belive, and it was in a time when Volvo still made fantastic cars comparable with Germany's best. The T5-R killed every 5er south of the V8 540i model!
I remember it well, that car. Very nice.
 
Uhm? Ok? Was a BMW driver looking at you in the wrong way today or something?
The 'yet again' part was particularly funny!

Have I looked at you wrong today because your responses have a funny tone.

Pre-X5M, BMW held the stance that the M was a racing brand, as oppossed to the AMG brand which has for long been indiscriminate in regards to what car they put the three letters on. With an exception of the M5, the M brand was pretty much exclusively on coupes and I don't think I need to remind everyone of the countless of AMG vs. M discussion that took place in the past. BMW advocate took pride in the exclusivty of M while slamming AMG for their more universal view on performance cars -- AMG fur alles.

While the priorty was M-philosphy first then profits, the order has completely been reversed now, and I haven't shed any negative light on it as my two favorite German brands, Mercedes and Porsche, have been sucking their cows dry for a while now. That's why I don't understand the fiesty claws coming out now when the M brand has gone commercial by being glued to the back on the most indecent and heavy cars in the BMW product portfolio.
 
While the priorty was M-philosphy first then profits, the order has completely been reversed now, and I haven't shed any negative light on it as my two favorite German brands, Mercedes and Porsche, have been sucking their cows dry for a while now.

My friend, I don't think any business will survive for too long if the profits are not priority.

If profits are not priority, then its charity. ;)
 
^^^ And were were all these vocals when BMW decided years ago that a 2000 + kg heavy 6er cabrio was suited for the M treatment? Hmmmm

The E30 M3 cabrio was always frown upon and the same goes for the M6 cabrio, but to a much lesser extent, as the M6 coupe was regarded, by many, as too heavy to begin with.

Anther factor is that both the M3 and M6 cabrios were sub versions of the core M models. At least that goes for the M3 cabrios of every generation.

Not only yellow! A friend's father used to have one in racing green-ish. It was available in 3 or 4 colors I belive, and it was in a time when Volvo still made fantastic cars comparable with Germany's best. The T5-R killed every 5er south of the V8 540i model!
I remember it well, that car. Very nice.

They were yellow, black and olive metallic. Truly great cars.
 
^^
For a small car powered by a 1.2-1.6l engine, RWD or RWD won't matter -- at least for the wider mainstream consumers. The Mercedes B and A-Class are FWD but it hasn't harmed desirability of the SLS, S-Class or E-Class in anyway.

My friend, I don't think any business will survive for too long if the profits are not priority.

If profits are not priority, then its charity. ;)

I never said that profit hasn't been a priority at all. What I wrote that profit wasn't the No.1 priority which was the case previously, similar to Audi's RS brand which puts exclusivty before simply squeezing the brand for every Euro coin there is to make.

When a brand change from just having a top-end label on a few models to then putting it on the two most unthinkable cars then it's obvious that the priorities have changed. Bentley changed their priorities as when they brought the blockbuster Continental GT to market.
 
If BMW builds a FWD car with the BMW badge on it, I think it will be a disaster for it's image and history.

They'd be better off creating a sub-brand within the BMW Group to "sit" this car.

If they create a sub-brand and give the City car the new brand name, it won´t sell as good as if it is badged as a BMW, look Smart and Mercedes.

Autobild showed a few weeks ago a render of the BMW-i and called it 112i, wich sound plausible. With the other small car being called 113i or 111i.
 
I'm glad a M7 is still out of the question. The sales wouldnt be close to those S63/S65 anyway so, no point building a M7.
 

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