IS/RC Lexus RC F First Drive Reviews


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The RC F loosely replaces the old IS F, and essentially it's Japan's intriguing and undeniably striking looking alternative to a BMW M3/M4.

Look beyond its arresting new nose and browse what's on offer objectively in the new £59,995 RC F, however, and you will immediately be struck by two thoughts. One, that it appears to represent an awful lot of car for the money. Two, that it is, despite what Lexus might claim, very much an old school kind of sports car.

Thought number one is entirely positive, of course, and arrives courtesy of the fact that the RC F looks a million dollars - both in photos and in the metal - and appears to be bursting at the seams with potential.


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lexus/rc-f/first-drives/lexus-rc-f-first-drive-review
 
You have to look at it's main market, the US, then this car makes sense.
 
Lexus RC F review, prices and specs
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By Jethro Bovingdon

Can Lexus’ rival to the BMW M4 capture some of the brilliance of their LFA supercar and upset the established German rivals?


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What is it?
This is Lexus’ M4 – a pumped-up coupe with a thumping 471bhp and a distinctive and seriously aggressive look. It follows on from the excellent IS-F and is inspired by the simply breathtaking LFA… so it might just be a car to take the fight to the new BMW M4. The RC F costs from £59,995, over £3000 more than the BMW, but comes loaded with kit. The RC F Carbon saves 10kg, gets shiny black weave for the bonnet, roof and active rear spoiler plus more alcantara for the interior and a trick torque vectoring rear differential for £67,995. If you don’t fancy the bare carbon bonnet (it does look a bit Fast and Furious) but like the sound of the diff then it’s available as an option on the standard car, too.

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Technical highlights?
Unlike BMW the people of Lexus have kept the faith with atmospheric engines. No turbos here, just 4969cc of pure V8 goodness. This approach nets a mighty 471bhp at 7100rpm and 391lb ft from 4800-5600rpm. Lexus claim 0-62mph in 4.5 seconds and a top speed of 168mph. As with the IS-F, the V8 drives through an 8-speed automatic box and a torsen limited-slip differential or that torque-vectoring unit that works by actively pushing power to the wheel with the most grip, not simply braking an inside wheel as most other systems do.

There’s so much more: Four mode VDIM (vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management, which manipulates ABS, VSC and TRC) including an ‘Expert’ mode that only steps in to prevent a spin. You can also opt to switch it off altogether. The torque vectoring diff has a further three modes: Standard, Slalom and Track and the drivetrain can be tailored with Normal, Sport S, Sport S+ and Manual modes… Then there’s the new 6-piston 380mm front brakes, the V8’s ability to switch to the Atkinson cycle for efficiency. The list goes on. And on.

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What’s it like to drive?
We tried the car on the fantastic Monticello Motor Club circuit near New York and the roads nearby. The former is a seriously tough environment to launch any new car but with ‘F’ signifying the Fuji Speedway and lots of talk of ‘race ready’ performance the RC F should shine here.

Sadly it doesn’t and its weight is the reason why. The RC F is a chunky 1765kg and it feels every one of those on the circuit. The brakes cope pretty well but are groaning within a handful of really hard laps, the car is slightly clumsy on turn-in and understeer sets in quickly and that engine – which sounds fantastic and promises so much – feels overly burdened. It never feels the full 471bhp and simply doesn’t deliver the instant, bruising torque you’d hope to find. Nor does it sparkle at the top end… It’s all a little underwhelming.

On the road things are much better. The steering is really nicely weighted and fluid and seems well tuned to the car’s reactions as it tackles a series of corners. Grip and traction feel strong, the ride is pretty supple and the gearbox might not be dual-clutch precise but does a pretty effective job. But still it doesn’t really feel fast or alive to your inputs. It’s fun but somehow not very exciting.

Fortunately it’s a lovely place to be with a really cool interior despite a few scratchy plastics in places. The seats are great but set slightly too high and overall it feels pretty special, helped when the V8 gives it the full bellow above 3800rpm. But special enough to overcome its dynamic shortcomings? I don’t think so. On a bumpy, wet road in the UK I suspect it’ll be more fun but I can’t believe it will transform from slightly reluctant to breathlessly exciting… And that’s a disappointment.

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How does it compare?
Let’s discount the pretty horrid RS5, which leaves the BMW M4 and the forthcoming C63 AMG with the new 4-litre twin-turbocharged V8. On paper the RC F is right on the money, but it’s simply outclassed by the M4 and we suspect that the next C63 will feel much, much faster with its new torque-rich engine. We had high hopes for the RC F but unless it’s transformed by a bit of UK-spec Super Unleaded and gets some serious chassis tweaks to help disguise its weight then it can only be judged a missed opportunity.

Anything else I need to know?
The optional TVD torque vectoring diff is seriously clever, utilising two electric motors to control the pressure on a corresponding multi-plate clutch. The motors can be adjusted every one-thousandth of a second to ensure the optimum flow of power to each wheel.
 
Americans like cars with big engines, Chrysler Hellcats, Ford Mustangs, this fits right in with the crowd, it's has a nice sounding V8, Americans love that kind of thing. So do I. I'd rather have an M3 with a V8 than an M3 with the turbo 6, my guess is that Lexus bet this is also what the US market would prefer. If you saw all the howls of protest over at Bimmerpages when the F30 M3 went straight 6 turbo, BMW execs must have wondered if they were doing the right thing.
 
I like it. This car makes a great alternative to the usual suspects.

M
 
Americans like cars with big engines, Chrysler Hellcats, Ford Mustangs, this fits right in with the crowd, it's has a nice sounding V8, Americans love that kind of thing. So do I. I'd rather have an M3 with a V8 than an M3 with the turbo 6, my guess is that Lexus bet this is also what the US market would prefer. If you saw all the howls of protest over at Bimmerpages when the F30 M3 went straight 6 turbo, BMW execs must have wondered if they were doing the right thing.

Yep, that's pretty much my understanding as well. I do not agree on the taste, but I understand.
 
Design and 4000lbs...that's when I stopped caring about this car.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-lexus-rc-f-first-drive-review

In a market thick with sedans and crossovers and SUVs, two-door coupes are few and far between. Which is why we were a little surprised—pleasantly so—when we learned that Lexus would launch the high-performance, rear-wheel-drive RC F coupe into an ever-shrinking market space dominated by the Germans.

The RC chassis is a Frankenstein mash-up of three different cars. From the front bumper to the A-pillars lay the bones of the Lexus GS sedan. Between the A- and C-pillars, engineers borrowed the floorpan of the Lexus IS C convertible(reinforcing the sills for good measure). The rear end is adapted from the currentLexus IS sedan. The three sections are welded and bonded together with structural adhesive used around the rockers, inner fenders, A-pillars, and floor crossmember. Extra spot welds join the cowl and rockers, and laser screw welding is used for the door apertures, rear window, and package tray. Structurally, the regular-strength RC coupe and the hot-rodded RC F are nearly identical, although the F has its own fenders, aluminum hood, and front bumper cover, as well as a few more braces to stiffen things up even more.

IS350 F Sport changes its appearance among the four available drive modes (Eco, Normal, Sport, Sport+). Gone is the IS’s goofy mouse controller, replaced by a simple rotary-knob control for the radio, unless you pony up for the navigation system, in which case a haptic touchpad controls the infotainment screen. Audi’s MMI may be our preferred interface, but the Lexus system has just the right amount of redundancy and allows any first-time driver to tune the radio or set the HVAC temp without taking a Berlitz course.

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Any successful coupe story blends show with the go, and there’s no denying that the RC is flashy. In F form, the RC350’s “fauxtarossa” slats at the rear disappear, and bargeboard-like vents, carried over from the IS F, cool the engine compartment. The F can look busy from some angles, as if there was one designer responsible for the car’s tail, another assigned to the hood, and still another working on the side, with each one trying to put their stamp on it. This polarizes some onlookers, but once you step back and view the whole, the RC F looks more cohesive.

Compared to the IS350 sedan, the RC F is 1.5 inches longer overall, 1.6 inches lower, and 1.3 inches wider with a 2.7-inch-shorter wheelbase. That last measurement takes its toll. Rear-seat passengers will miss headroom, legroom, and any other room you can think of. It’s tight back there, but, hey, it’s a coupe—Lexus is confident the RC’s curb appeal will outweigh any deficits of practicality.

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To Lexus’s credit, adding 51 horsepower to the V-8 wasn’t a simple ECU reflash. Titanium valves (all 32 of them) and a lighter crankshaft and connecting rods allowed engineers to stretch the redline from 6800 rpm to 7300. More revs equals more power, but they also require more air and more fuel, thus the F’s tweaked 2UR-GSE V-8 requires both a larger throttle body and fuel injectors. Maximum power comes at a heady 7100 rpm, while the torque peak of 389 lb-ft, up 18 from the IS F, is available at a more accessible 4800 rpm, 400 lower than the old engine’s peak. The compression ratio also increases to 12.3:1 from 11.8:1.

Subsidizing the extra power are wider-range camshaft phasers, giving the new engine Atkinson-cycle capability. This improves efficiency while cruising and under low loads, no doubt a factor in helping the RC F net a 25-mpg EPA highway-mileage estimate. In fact, cruising in top gear at highway speeds under light throttle is quite serene.

Embracing the Inner Howitzer
Tromp on the loud pedal, however, and the RC F awakens its inner howitzer—as it should. The report of the exhaust is electronically enhanced based on engine speed, throttle opening, and car speed via a sound enhancer aimed at the driver from behind the instrument panel.

A coupe, at least for us, must move as well as it looks. Building on the foundation the GS-based front and IS-based rear suspensions, Lexus updated, changed, or flat-out replaced 70 percent of the RC’s suspension for the F version, including different geometry for unequal-length control arms in front and the multilink rear.

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Overall, the car is set up for safe and progressive understeer. In most cases this would be considered a good thing, but we say Lexus played it a bit too safe. Sure, this makes the car approachable to just about anyone who might get behind its wheel. But this is the hot-rod Lexus, and we’d like an edgier personality and for it to be a tad more intimidating and challenging to drive quickly.

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Massive 15.0-inch front rotors, 13.6-inch rear rotors, and Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires, which wrap 19-inch forged BBS wheels, do an impeccable job of hauling the RC F down from speed with decent pedal feel (we’d prefer a little more heft). Steering weight increases depending on the drive mode, and, surprisingly, a modicum of road feel actually travels up the column of this rack-mounted EPS, something most other electrically assisted racks don’t provide.

BMW’s M4, the RC F’s biggest competition at the moment, is some 400 pounds lighter. The RC F needs that edge we described, but knowing that the F team eventually turned the IS F into something truly special, we’re sure they can make the RC F as edgy to drive as it is to look at. The RC F is a really good car, but there are a number of great cars in the $60,000-plus range.
 
Slower and much heavier than the previous gen IS-F

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1409_2015_lexus_rc_f_first_test/

Heavy metal. One of my favorite types of music, sure, but it’s also a difficult fact to overcome when dealing with cars built mostly from steel. Because steel vehicles, like bricks, are heavy. Aluminum and composites such as carbon fiber are the future. Just ask Ford. But for now most cars are still built from steel. Like the new Lexus RC 350 F Sport and RC F, for example. I’m leading with this materials mini-lesson for a reason. We weighed the RC F and it clocks in at a lardy 4040 pounds. For some comparison, the similarly sized and totally targeted BMW M4 weighs 3604 pounds, a 436-pound difference. Before you mount an angry letter-writing campaign against Lexus, know that the AWD Audi RS 5 is just 13 pounds lighter than the RC F, 4027 pounds. Still, why’s a brand-new car so heavy?
More on Motortrend.com:
2015 Lexus RC F Gets New Paint Color - What Would you Name It?

A very weird reason, it turns out. The RC 350 F Sport and RC F are not simply two-door versions of the IS four-door sport sedan. The new coupes are, in the parlance of our times, mashups. The front section is from the wide-body GS, the middle section hails from the previous generation IS C (a convertible), and the rear third is stolen from the current-gen IS. Crazy, no? But why? Why not just make a new platform? Well, friends, I posed that exact question to the RC twins’ engineering team and was told that to achieve the rigidity they wanted the car to have and keep costs down, the Frankencoupe was the best solution, weight be damned. Furthermore, it was explained, the GS section allowed them to fit wider tires than the IS chassis would have, the IS C chunk was already reinforced, and the IS rear end allowed for a shorter overhang. But does it work?Oh, yes, quite well, it turns out.
More on Automobilemag.com:
2015 Lexus RC F Horsepower and Pricing Announced

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First things first: When we compared the Audi RS 5 to the dearly departed Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG 507 Coupe, we loved both cars. Our pro racing driver buddy Randy Pobst thought that, as a track weapon, the RS 5 was far superior to the 507 (and he ran around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca about 1 second quicker in the Audi), though both Ron Kiino and I preferred the beefed-up AMG as a street car. The point is, both the hefty Audi and the not-a-lightweight, 3952-pound Benz work as kick-butt, top-shelf performance machines. So it’s possible that the RC F (and to a lesser extent, the RC 350 F Sport) are able to do the same. Let’s start by looking at some numbers. Real quick: We were only able to test the RC F, so you’ll have to stay tuned for a fully instrumented first test of the RC 350 F Sport.Under the bulgy hood of the RC F sits a hot-rodded version of the Lexus 5.0-liter V-8. Hot-rodded is probably an understatement as Lexus is claiming that only the aluminum block is carryover. The heads, cams, titanium valves, forged connecting rods, crank journals, the intake manifold, and even the larger throttle body (previously 76 mm, now 83 mm) are all-new. Power, therefore, is way up, from 420 horsepower in the discontinued IS F to 467 hp in the RC F. Torque also rises, from 371 lb-ft to 389 lb-ft. The 5.0-liter’s also pretty savvy, for not only does it avoid the gas-guzzler tax but it converts from Otto cycle to Atkinson cycle under light loads. Why not just use cylinder deactivation like everyone else? Lexus is worried that after 100,000 or so miles, activated cylinders will have much greater wear and tear than deactivated ones. Makes sense, but it also shows how Lexus/Toyota is able to leverage its hybrid knowhow in a non-hybrid vehicle. Note: These are naturally aspirated ponies. Audi, BMW, and soon the new AMG C63 and Cadillac ATS-V will all be force-inducted. I give huge props to Lexus for gutting it out with a big ole V-8 that does it the old-fashioned way. The resulting sound is killer.
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Lexus says that the RC F will hit 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. Our testing revealed that the car needs 4.5 seconds. A small discrepancy, some might say. Others might say that the BMW M4 hits 60 mph in 4 seconds flat, while the Audi RS 5 takes 3.9 seconds. Just to toss it in there, the out-of-production AMG 507 two-door needed only 3.8 seconds. The RC F is able to dispatch the quarter mile in 12.9 seconds at 110.3 mph. Comparatively, the M4 does the deed in 12.2 seconds at 117.8 mph, the RS 5 takes 12.3 at 112.2 mph, and the AMG 507 Coupe finishes in 12.2 seconds at 117.4 mph. Not so hot for the new Lexus. Two caveats. One is that the car we tested was an early build prototype and the engine management software has reportedly been updated since we touched it. The other is that Lexus claims that accessible performance will define the F brand going forward and that somehow superquick acceleration scares people who can’t drive as well as others. I say losing 400 pounds would make the car as quick as its competitors. Either way, the new software should shave precious tenths off those elapsed times.In terms of braking, the RC F stops from 60 mph in 108 feet. The M4 with optional $8000 carbon-ceramic brakes needs 98 feet, the Audi RS 5 requires 104 feet, and the old AMG 507 needed just 103 feet. Asked if the brand is considering a carbon-ceramic option, Lexus says, “No.” I say Lexus should, especially with all that weight. In terms of handling, the RC F’s peak lateral grip was 0.95 g and it completed our figure-eight test in 24.7 seconds -- the exact same time it takes the Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat and one of the three Alfa Romeo 4Cs we've tested, mind you. The M4 can pull 0.98 g and run the figure eight in 24.2 seconds, the RS 5 pulls a max of 0.99 and takes 24.6 seconds, whereas the AMG 507 pulled only 0.91 g and needed 25.2 seconds. Half a second difference between two cars is quite stark on a 1600-foot handling course. Again, weight is the enemy, though the 450-hp Audi mitigates its porkiness with AWD grip out of corners. Numbers-wise, this looks like a pretty solid victory for the BMW M4. But keep reading.
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Lexus took the nation’s car writers to the quick and nifty Monticello Motor Club about 90 miles northeast of Manhattan. There we were treated to a roughly 4-mile course and about as many laps as we (and the brakes) could stomach. I drove a few sessions in the RC 350 F Sport because A) those cars feature two degrees of rear-wheel steering and I wanted to see how four wheels turning worked on a track and B) Lexus didn’t bring enough RC Fs for all the track sluts in attendance and I hate standing around. The RC 350 F Sport, while underpowered (when did 306 hp become so little?), was a hoot around Monticello’s 18 turns. The rear-wheel steering helps point the nose and rotate the chassis pretty well. Understeer is minimized, a cool trick in an under-tired, nose-heavy street car. However, I must point out that I got two different RC 350 F Sports to overheat their transmission fluids. Doing so caused a limiter to kick in at around 4000 rpm that kept me from revving the engine, downshifting, or having fun. Half a lap of slow driving cooled things off and the error message went away. But still … Also not good, the brakes on the RC 350 F Sport are simply not intended for the track. The pedal got real soft, real fast. In fairness, the first time I boiled the tranny fluid, I was driving like an animal, trying to not let a buddy behind me in an RC F catch up. The second time I was trying to see if I could duplicate the error. Tee hee.As for the RC F, she’s impressive. One of the few options on the car is a torque vectoring differential, or as Lexus calls it the TVD. Like those in the C7 Corvette and the Jaguar F-Type, the TVD uses two electronic lockers to overpower the outside rear wheel in turns. The standard differential is a Torsen limited-slip unit and it puts the power down pretty well. The car we tested at our facility had the TVD. Figure-eight rat Carlos Lago and I both felt that the RC F handled better around the figure eight in Slalom mode. Track mode was too much at the limit, as we both were wrestling with the wheel too often. Things were reversed once on the track, where I set the TVD to Track and as a result was able to get on the throttle earlier and harder than I could in either Slalom mode or in the Torsen-equipped car. There’s that low barrier to performance that Lexus was talking about. The transmission is greatly improved compared to the IS F. Shifts are not only fast, but the transmission seems to go out of its way to give you the shift you want when you want it -- a rare attribute in an automatic. Even dual-clutches struggle with that task, often beeping and denying shifts. Part of this is due to the relatively wide power band of the naturally aspirated engine.
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Also on the positive side of the ledger, front-end bite was tenacious. Understeer only showed up in the most throwaway of corners (18, really), and it was easily corrected with the brake pedal. The TVD and a little bit of trail braking made the RC F rotate beautifully. The throttle response was nice and linear, and the 5.0-liter’s power was pretty much OK, though I’d like it if the engine revved out a little faster, say the way the V-10 in the LFA did. Losing weight would help there. Compared to the M4’s turbocharged inline-six, the RC F is lacking torque. BMW rates its motor at 406 lb-ft of torque but as always, that’s a massive understatement. I’d also like it if Lexus would develop a track pack that maybe tossed in some lightweight aluminum or better yet carbon-fiber body panels, carbon-ceramic brakes, and Michelin Cup tires, or some sort of rubber more suitable for track work. There is an optional carbon-fiber roof, but the car needs more light-weighting. In fact, it’s begging for it. Body panels make sense. After all, Lexus, y’all got that fancy loom.It’s difficult to outright say that Car X is better than Car Y -- in this case the RC F and the M4 -- without driving them back to back on the same day on the same road. However, I am able to turn my mind back to the old days circa 2008 and talk about the IS F versus the E92 BMW M3. In that particular case, I think it’s safe to say that the BMW was the better car in every measurable way. However, I remember preferring the Lexus to the Bimmer. There was just something more macho, more hardcore, and less fussy about the IS F. Frankly, the more than 400-pound weight difference between the RC F and the M4 is enough to tip things in favor of the BMW. But the RC F, at the very least, is a compelling alternative. Exactly how compelling we’ll have to find out at a later date when we compare them directly. Until then, I want you to understand that I enjoyed the new Lexus Frankencoupe much more than the numbers would lead you to believe. You probably will, too.
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Find more than 70 additional photos of the 2015 Lexus RC 350 and 2015 Lexus RC F on the second page of this review.

2015 Lexus RC F
BASE PRICE$63,325
PRICE AS TESTED$72,000 (est)
VEHICLE LAYOUTFront-engine, RWD, 4-pass, 2-door coupe
ENGINE5.0L/467-hp/389-lb-ft DOHC 32-valve V-8
TRANSMISSION8-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST)4040 lb (53/47%)
WHEELBASE107.5 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT184.8 x 72.4 x 54.9 in
0-60 MPH4.5 sec
QUARTER MILE12.9 sec @ 110.3 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH108 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION0.95 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT24.7 sec @ 0.77 g (avg)
EPA CITY/HWY/COMB FUEL ECON16/25/19 mpg
ENERGY CONS., CITY/HWY211/135 kW-hrs/100 miles
CO2 EMISSIONS, COMB1.02 lb/mile
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I really like this car, but the more I study it, it is clear that the M4 has it beat.

M
 
I wanted to like this car but now really disappointed, I think the IS is a better looking Lexus in my opinion and this has no hope in hell of been able to beat a M4 or even next C63 AMG!
 
i have issue 201 and in the back of the magazine it says that the next issue is out in september and now it's october (bought it on an airport which might explain why it's lagging behind)
 

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