Lamborghini To Unveil Its Fastest Car Ever In Geneva

[Deckhook]

The Veneno, this Monster, is a personification of Piech himself.

I can't disagree with you more strongly on this one, it was Piech who pushed the Bugatti Veyron project through despite the many problems it faced and that car is understated elegance which is what one expects from a German.

No the Veneno can only be the product of a red blooded Italian, admittedly one with serious issues that need addressing.

 

[Levi68]

I can't disagree with you more strongly on this one, it was Piech who pushed the Bugatti Veyron project through despite the many problems it faced and that car is understated elegance which is what one expects from a German.

No the Veneno can only be the product of a red blooded Italian, admittedly one with serious issues that need addressing.

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[lambornima]

The back end is hideous, I can't think of a single car's rear that looks this stupid. Its as if their head designer was none other than General Schwarzkopf and he demanded some shock and awe. lol

Odd that you say that. I think the rear is the most awe inspiring view of the car. From the owner: on the road the car will be more than 125 kg lighter than an Aventador.

This means the car will have a dry weight of <1450 kg. A Huayra is 1350 kg dry. AWD system aside the Veneno will be about 100 lbs more than a Huayra. I've also been told that the 1350 kg claim for the Huayra was a car that did not pass regulations for the USA, which means the difference between the Veneno and a US spec Huayra may be even less.

 

[Sunny]

So for 3x the price of a Huayra, it might be in a particular market be close to weight of one - break open the champagne.

 

[lambornima]

The price of the Veneno has to do with its production numbers (or lack there-of). If someone doesn't like the looks of the Veneno, again that's preference, but to doubt the engineering behind it is foolish

 

[martinbo]

Ask me to choose following a Monte Carlo casino jackpot and I would have one Huayra over a Veneno. Let alone 3. Extreme exclusivity is justifiable if utterly beautiful but not if patently grotesque.

To me, as a middle class urchin, the Veneno is nothing more than a vulgar pandering to people with big egos, bigger wallets and a minute sense of social responsibility. No matter how wealthy one may be, how can one possibly justify spending all that money on exclusive looks alone? And such ugly looks at that! It's not hypocritical of me - the supercar is a wonderful excess afforded to the fortunate few - it's just that the Veneno is an excess so far as to be flagrantly so. It and its owners ought not to be celebrated. If 50 Venenos were being made at a price equivalent to a P1, LaFer or Huayra, I'd alter my stance, perhaps... but three times the price??? For what?

 

[Sunny]

The price of the Veneno has to do with its production numbers (or lack there-of). If someone doesn't like the looks of the Veneno, again that's preference, but to doubt the engineering behind it is foolish

Well, then why don't you then enlighten the foolish about the engineering excellence behind it? Cause I fail to see how reducing the weight of a porky car by 125kg as a beacon of engineering excellence when it is still as heavy or heavier than comparable cars or even cars with hybrid power trains.

 

[lambornima]

All of what you just said can be said about the Huayra too in contrast to something like a ZR1. A lot of people see these types of cars and ask "What sort of person goes and spends over a million on a car? They must be sick"

Three times the price because there are only 3 being built! If 50 were built with a different price you would change your mind? Why? Its still the same car and looks the same too, nothing has changed except development and production costs have been spread over 50 cars and not 3.

 

[lambornima]

Well, then why don't you then enlighten the foolish about the engineering excellence behind it? Cause I fail to see how reducing the weight of a porky car by 125kg as a beacon of engineering excellence when it is still as heavy or heavier than comparable cars or even cars with hybrid power trains.

Well that was what I was pointing out in my post. Basically the same weight as a Huayra, save the AWD.

 

[Sunny]

^ So again what is the engineering excellence here? That they might have managed to make it same weight as Huayra, save the AWD and that too based on speculation that the US market Huayra will be heavier? Sorry, it takes more than that to impress me.

 

[lambornima]

^ So again what is the engineering excellence here? That they might have managed to make it same weight as Huayra, save the AWD and that too based on speculation that the US market Huayra will be heavier? Sorry, it takes more than that to impress me.

And you think anything near the weight of a Huayra is heavy?

 

[Sunny]

^Did I say that? But it is not exactly impressive either. Not in this day when there are cars with hybrid drives with way more power that weigh the same or even lighter. If you are impressed with the engineering behind the Veneno, good for you. But if all it has to show for "engineering" is the 125kg weight reduction I won't be writing home about it. If there is anything else let me.

 

[martinbo]

All of what you just said can be said about the Huayra too in contrast to something like a ZR1. A lot of people see these types of cars and ask "What sort of person goes and spends over a million on a car? They must be sick"

I disagree entirely with your analogy, a Pagani car is a paragon of automotive craftsmanship before being proven to be tangibly superior both from an objective and subjective point of view over a ZR1. Sure, the Huayra costs far more but then again a recycled ZR1 interior can keep an entire Tupperware factory in business for a year. The problem with the Veneno is that it is in no way superior to a Huayra by any measure other than numerical exclusivity - in other words, a vanity project.

Three times the price because there are only 3 being built! If 50 were built with a different price you would change your mind? Why? Its still the same car and looks the same too, nothing has changed except development and production costs have been spread over 50 cars and not 3.

I clearly understand the implication of the Veneno's exclusivity - I allude to this in my post - but perceive nothing else remotely meritorious for so much money. If all the justification is a thrice-off body and extreme exclusivity (without the exquisite artwork and craftsmanship of a Huayra, I might add) then I stand by my opinion that the Veneno is a terrible waste of money - particularly for something so way overdone. The Veneno doesn't look modern, it doesn't look pretty and it doesn't look elegant. It's a crass gatecrasher in the hypercar showcase that Geneva 2013 turned out to be.

Lamborghini should never have tarnished an occasion as auspicious as a 50th anniversary with such an irrelevant monstrosity. The Miura must be turning in its grave.

 

[Deckhook]

The problem I see with this car is that it does nothing to justify its price other than exclusivity, its not going to re-write the super car rule book like what the McLaren F1 and Bugatti Veyron did, its not even remarkably different (as far as I'm aware) to the car its based on and I might add is a hell of a lot prettier.

I'm a Lambo fan in that they took on Ferrari at their own game and in some ways does the super car thing even better but on this occasion this was just bad taste of the worst kind.

 

[lambornima]

^Did I say that? But it is not exactly impressive either. Not in this day when there are cars with hybrid drives with way more power that weigh the same or even lighter. If you are impressed with the engineering behind the Veneno, good for you. But if all it has to show for "engineering" is the 125kg weight reduction I won't be writing home about it. If there is anything else let me.

Well we don't know how much either the P1 and LaFerrari will weigh in the flesh, so until then its pretty useless to compare their claimed weights. The weights of the Veneno and Huayra ARE impressive because they both have large V12 engines and the Veneno has AWD, yet they weigh about the same as a 458 Italia or Gallardo Superleggera.

As for the aero of the car, I do not have any specs, but I do know that the aero isn't just for show as most make it out to be.

As for the ZR1, Huayra, and Veneno...Cost is much more correlated with production numbers, customer demand, and facility capacity than with being "bespoke". The cost of each Veneno has in it the cost of development, testing and production over an Avendator. In the Veneno their changed the suspension, the transmission and further developed the engine.

This article sums it up pretty well.

http://jalopnik.com/meet-the-guys-who-paid-4-million-for-the-lamborghini-v-453239246

Unfortunately some just don't get the Veneno and I'm sorry for those who don't get it. By making 3 they could go balls-to-the-walls with the design and NOT worry about appealing to a relatively large consumer base like they would need to with the coming Gallardo successor for instance.

 

[Sunny]

^You are just grappling at straws there... we don't have the actual weight of the Venono either, but you are ready to take Lamborghini's claimed weight at face value. But somehow the claimed weights of others are not good enough? Fact is, we only have claimed weights of all four at this point and Veneno is the fatest of all of them. And others (at least the Ferrari and P1) have other things besides the weight to show for the engineering behind it. So as one of the foolish one for not not recognizing the ground breaking engineering behind the Veneno, I am still waiting for you to enlighten me...

 

[lambornima]

Im not grabbing at straws. The idea that when you develop a car and produce and sell only 3, that each one will be very expensive has alluded everyone.

As for the weights, we have the weight of the real Aventador to work off of. I never claimed the engineering to be groundbreaking (though Im sure people ideas of ground breaking will vary), as much as I claimed the aero is not just for show and due to the fact that the suspension of the whole car had to be readjusted tells us that there is significantly more downforce than there is with an Aventador. Not to mention the very REAL engineering behind a NA 6.5 Litre V12 with a redline of 9000 rpm that was develop by lambo themselves, in contrast with Pagani which weren't burdened with massive engineering and development required to build their own engine from the ground up. And not to mention the engineering behind the ISR transmission which Lambo also developed themselves, which of course is in its infancy and has been revised in the Veneno.

The Veneno shares with the Aventador the drivetrain, though altered quite a bit, and the bottom half of the CF cell (and thus the shape of the interior).

 

[Sunny]

As for the weights, we have the weight of the real Aventador to work off of.

Yea, I wouldn't go there...

SA test - 1792kg, C&D 1852kg, QR 1796kg. All curb weights with full tank, but far off the 1575kg dry weight claimed by Lamborghini unless the car has a 300l fuel tank.

 

[aleks_16]

Hmmmm

 

[Gianclaudio]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!