Intel Introduces Light Peak/Thunderbolt


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"So it's perhaps not the most original moniker that Apple and Intel could have chosen, but it's here just the same. After years of waiting Apple has launched its implementation of Intel's Light Peak standard and it's called Thunderbolt. It's making its appearance on new MacBook Pro models and it's promising 10Gb/second transfer rates. That's dual-channel, too so you'll get 10Gb/sec both to and from your devices. Apple suggests this will be useful for external RAID arrays, Gigabit Ethernet adapters, and also mentions support for "FireWire and USB consumer devices" along with HDMI, DVI, and VGA over DisplayPort. Apple expects that Thunderbolt will be "widely adopted as a new standard for high performance I/O," but we think the USB 3.0 crew might have a thing or two to say about that. Full PR is embedded below."

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Source: Apple and Intel unveil Thunderbolt I/O technology -- Engadget





From Intel:

"The Fastest Connection To Your PC Experience‡


From the company with the fastest processors comes the fastest way to get information in and out of your PC and peripheral devices.‡ At 10 Gbps, Thunderbolt™ technology gives you great responsiveness with high-speed data and display transfers in each direction—at the same time.‡ With a single cable, connecting a PC to multiple devices is simple, making it easy to get and see what you want, when you want it. Thunderbolt technology gives you incredible flexibility; high performance expansion is just a cable away for new and novel uses, now and in the future.

With the 10 Gbps performance of Thunderbolt products you can

Transfer a full-length HD movie in less than 30 seconds‡
Backup 1 year of continuous MP3 playback in just over 10 minutes‡"




Source: Thunderbolt™ Technology
 
Well in that case its just crap until there are devices that support the format..

correction, Thunderbolt will be able to support devices with USB 2/3 but you might not necessarily get the 10 gb/s trasnfer rate.

The other problem is that USB 3 isnt even supported by Intel! That's why there is no native support for USB 3.0 on intel chipsets and all computers that have USB 3.0 ports are using a 3rd party controller (that's why all computers with 3.0 ports still have old 2.0 ports because intel chipsets don't support 3.0).

On the other hand, Intel is all for Thunderbolt and hence Intel will include it on their chipsets in the future. A year from now every single new computer will have thunderbolt ports and I think USB 3 might actually die out.
But if you a buy a USB 3.0 device now, it's no biggie because thunderbolt is compatible with it.
 
Dammit... aren't we supposed to be wire-free by now. All this wire clutter and crap.... grrrr.... wireless!!

This is probably the step right before we move into wireless. I think we have a lot of things on wireless. Take a look at how Apple has set up a few things. For example, with the ipad and iphone if you have an Apple tv and they are all hooked up to your wireless network, you can stream video and photos onto the TV. Pretty cool.
 
Intel says its all-optical, 10Gbit/s USB-killer connector will be in your notebook next year, and puts live demos on display to prove it.

Intel had demos of Light Peak running on the show floor at IDF 2010 over the last few days. Light Peak is Intel's big competitor to USB 3, and is a full optical standard, which provides 10Gbit/s data transfer rate on each Light Peak port.

The standard also allows daisy-chaining, unlike USB, so every device you connect with Light Peak becomes a hub for connection of other devices (which then become hubs as well.) The Light Peak ports and connector look practically identical to USB.

Intel demoed a computer streaming an uncompressed high definition 1080P video file over a light peak cable at an (barely fluctuating) speed of 769.6MB per second to a Samsung TV it had hacked Light Port into. Note, that is megabytes per second, not megabits.

Although Intel's mobility boss Dadi Perlmutter refused to rule either USB 3.0 or Light Peak in or out of the platforms that will support the company's new "Sandy Bridge" CPUs, other Intel staff on the show floor said they expected Light Peak to be shipping in volume next year.

There has been considerable speculation over whether Intel will build USB 3.0 into its next round of chipsets, with pundits speculating that the chipmaker's reticence to confirm either way is because it wants to give Light Peak a leg-up. Currently the only way PC makers can put USB 3.0 into a PC is with a relatively expensive third-party chip. It's expected USB 3.0 will really get its uptake boost when it is built into the basic chipset specification from Intel.

However, while USB 3.0 and Light Peak both have impressive tech specs (4.8Gbit/s and 10Gbit/s respectively), USB 3.0 has the advantage of being backwards compatible with the millions of USB 2.0 devices already out there. USB 3.0 also has the advantage of being able to pass power down the cable, whereas Light Peak, being a fully optical standard, obviously can't.

Intel says apart from its high bandwidth and daisy-chaining capabilities, the other big advantage of Light Peak is that you can run any protocol over it. For example, it can very quickly become a replacement for HDMI cables because you can simply run the HDMI protocol over it, alongside any other protocol like Ethernet, or DVI. It also says Light Peak will grow to support 100Gbit/s within the decade -- an unthinkably huge bandwidth for what is a local connectivity standard (but we're not going to be so foolish to predict that 100Gbit/s is enough for everyone... that predication might come back to bite us.)

Interestingly, the initial design of USB 3.0 reserved the capability in the connectors for optical cables -- though this has not been implemented in the shipping version of USB 3.0.



























 
Great pics! That was all in the video. So, you basically have a cable that is transferring back and forth up to 10gbs of data. Now, once again, that is 10gbs of data one way and also in the other direction. Just amazing!
 
Dammit... aren't we supposed to be wire-free by now. All this wire clutter and crap.... grrrr.... wireless!!

This is probably the step right before we move into wireless. I think we have a lot of things on wireless. Take a look at how Apple has set up a few things. For example, with the ipad and iphone if you have an Apple tv and they are all hooked up to your wireless network, you can stream video and photos onto the TV. Pretty cool.

This technology has already been readily available to the consumer for a couple of years now: DLNA. Most TV's support it, but for some odd reason, this technology doesn't seem to get enough recognition :t-hands:

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BMW Power,

I know about DLNA and I wasn't trying to say that Apple is the only one that has done that. As a matter of fact, you are right it does not get a lot of recognition. Actually many things in technology industry to do get a lot of recognition.
 
Lightpeak may have security flaws:

Thunderbolt: Introducing a new way to hack Macs
Posted by Robert Graham at 3:29 PM

Apple and Intel have introduced a new notebook connection technology called Thunderbolt that will hopefully replace all the other cables coming out of your laptop. However, it appears to share the same security flaw as some of these older technologies: attaching a hostile device can break into your computer. A hacker can walk up to your laptop while you are not looking, connect a device for a few seconds, disconnect it and walk away with your data (such as passwords). This works even when your laptop is "locked" with the password screen. We can't prove this until we get our hands on the hardware, but all signs point to hackers being able to exploit Thunderbolt.

Imagine that you are at a conference. You innocently attach your DisplayPort to a projector to show your presentation on the big screen. Unknown to you, while giving your presentation, the projector is downloading the entire contents of your hard disk.

The reason this works is the trusting nature of the protocol. Your laptop sends a command across the wire saying "please write the data in my memory location XYZ". What the device on the other end is then supposed to do is send the data with an address of XYZ. But it does't have to. It can instead send data to address ABC. In other words, it can upload malware into the computer's memory and run it.

This technique rarely works on USB. That's because USB is designed in a "master-slave" configuration. Your computer can do this trick against anything attached to your USB port. Indeed, that's how some "jailbreaking" of devices like iPhone's work. Your computer, the master, infects the phone with malware by writing to specific locations in the phone's memory.

However, in some versions of USB (such as USB On-the-Go), the devices will negotiate who is to be master, and who is to be slave. We found a couple notebooks 6 years ago that could be broken into with USB this way. I don't know if any newer computers can.

But most other technologies are "peer-to-peer" rather than "master-slave". In those cases, either side can hack into the other. We did this at a pentest recently. A company gave employees laptops that were secured using all the latest technology, such as encrypted boot disks and disabled USB ports. Users weren't given admin privileges. But the Firewire ports were open. We connected a device to the Firewire port on a laptop, and broke in with administrator access. Once in, we grabbed the encrypted administrator password (the one the owner of the laptop didn't know). We cracked it using L0phtcrack. That password was the same for all notebooks handed out by the company, so we now could log onto anybody's notebook. Worse -- that administrator account was also on their servers, so we could simply log into their domain controllers using that account and take control of the entire enterprise.

Another real-world story comes from the HBGary e-mails. Apparently, HBGary sold devices to the government so that they could perform the same sort of trick. We did it with a laptop running Linux, but you can easily do this from a thumbdrive.

The current Thunderbolt simply sends PCIe signals across the wire. That means, in theory, anything a PCIe card can do, a Thunderbolt device can do. A hostile device should be able to send any address it wants, to read and write any part of memory of the host machine.

Intel has a solution for this. It's called "Intel Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O" or "VT-d". Using VT-d, a driver can configure the chipset to allow a device on the PCIe bus (or the Thunderbolt connection) to only write to specific areas of memory instead of the entire memory. The processors in the MacBooks support this feature, but Mac OS X does not (at least, last time I checked it wasn't).

Note that MacBooks already have Firewire, ExpressCard, and SD/IO ports that are vulnerable to this feature. Therefore, having yet another port with the same vulnerability isn't a huge increase in the risk.
 
sorry to tell but Light Peak =not Thunderbolt
Thunderbolt is based on copper connection and early Light Peak prototypes were based on optical fiber connections
 
sorry to tell but Light Peak =not Thunderbolt
Thunderbolt is based on copper connection and early Light Peak prototypes were based on optical fiber connections

This is true, which is why they have announced that initial ones will have cooper wiring but they will eventually move to fiber optic.
 

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