Huracán [2014-2024] Huracan Performante

[Sunny]

Well when you say something along the lines of "lambos are all show and no go" and lambo pulls this off what else can you possibly say asides from "I don't care" and shrug your shoulders as if they didn't make you eat your own words I've lost a lot of respect for Harris on this.

True, if he was knocking Lamborghini for poor lap times... while I don't remember the context of his criticism, I very much doubt it was about lap times.

 

[kingjr9000]

Anyone on here know about this?

Two things i discovered. one was from the viper forum, dont know if its true or not:

As I understand it, this is not quite true. I currently own a Huracan. I was recently at my local Lambo dealer and we got into a discussion not the H Performante. The active aero system (ALA) was developed by Lamborghini and it is indeed supposed to be a game changer. What I was told is that Porsche wanted to see the designs of the aero system and Lambo would not give it up. There is a internal fight going on (both owned by VW). The shifts on my Huracan are absolutely crazy as a based model.

Second is BTG conspiracy.
http://www.bridgetogantry.com/blog-did-lambo-fake-that-laptime/

BLOG: DID LAMBO “FAKE” THAT LAPTIME?
3RD MARCH 2017 DALE


Now before Audi AG send the lawyers after me, I’d just like to say that what follows is only my own personal opinion. I’m sure if you’re a fan-boi, you won’t even read this properly. Hell, I still get messages exclaiming disgust for how I must ‘hate’ Alfa Romeo, just because I had the audacity to say that a laptime boast delivered at a press conference isn’t the same as actually showing us the lap.

But now it appears that you might not even be able to show us a lap and have it believed. Why?

Well, let’s break it down.

DISCLAIMER: What follows, this ‘theory’ of mine isn’t unique at all. User JCViggen on Northloop.co.uk spotted it, so did a couple of my industry friends who’d rather not be named.

This theory that Lamborghini faked the laptime in the video HINGES on the fact that the overlay speedo displays of BOTH the Aventador SV and Huracan Performante videos are being fed by GPS data, NOT by wheelspeed.
If the post-processed digital dashboards were being fed by wheelspeed sensors (as per usual for a dashboard display) the inherent inaccuracy of measuring a groundspeed using a wheel that changes diameter with speed, temeperature and deflection, would register the following errors almost totally ‘within tolerance’.

Why do I think they’re GPS based? Simple both videos display ‘glitches’ in the speed readout shown on the post-processed ‘dashboard’. These glitches range from barely noticable to somewhat striking. GPS speed measuring from modern equipment is mighty impressive, but it still falls victim to trees, radio interference and ground reflections. Hence…

Two screenshots, both showing the tacho needle in the same position down to the pixel, and both showing very different speeds. Now it ‘could’ be wheelspin, and that would negate the next argument, but I believe it’s typical momentary GPS error. Here’s one from the Aventador too:

Notice how I left the full picture in this one, so you can see that the wheel speed is showing on the real-life dashboard, while the GPS one on the software is showing something else, even though the RPMs are the same.

And that’s important for what comes next…

I think Lamborghini didn’t publish an accurate video.
That’s my opinion. But it’s harder to prove it than say it. So here are the numbers taken from the two official Lamborghini videos. Working on the theory above, let’s presume that over this distance, from Gantry to Bridge, the distance of 1 mile means that the GPS speeds are very accurate (and presume they’ve not been inflated before being added to the video).

Yep, the Huracan reports a much slower speed, around 4.5% slower, while only being less than 1% slower when measuring the time.

When I last measured it, the gantry to bridge distance was about 1760metres, or a little over 1 mile. So then we can also calculate the speeds by measuring that distance.

Wait?! What’s this? The 700hp Aventador covers the distance at 291kmh, while the Huracan covers it at 289kmh?

If the GPS speeds are correct, then that can only leave one logical conclusion: Lamborghini sped up the frame-rate of the video. Roughly, using those numbers above, I’d guess by nearly 5%. In other words, they might have taken a 24fps edit, and played it at 25fps. So a 6m52s lap would really be a 7m08s lap.

Or their data is rubbish.

One or the other. You choose…

P.S. I’m not the only one getting these figures:

 

[Monster]

Not this again...every time a manufacturer put out a lap time, or when someone record a lap time, there will be endless debate and theories about the legitimacy of their attempt.

 

[kingjr9000]

Not this again...every time a manufacturer put out a lap time, or when someone record a lap time, there will be endless debate and theories about the legitimacy of their attempt.

True, but this one will especially draw suspicion and in some cases, contempt. Most just won't believe it because of the 918 itself. After what happened with the SV's times not being consistent, and the LT being faster by a second, most fail to believe it. But most also forget that the ring 918 was a pre-pro car, so it wasnt at the best performing specs.

Then you have the cases of the SV vs LT, but most forget or completely ignore the fact that the SV is on corsas, not trofeos. The LT is on trofeos, and is usually a second faster, while the 650s is on corsas, and is usually 1-2secs behind the SV. Remember when SA did the supertest on the 700-4 and the 12c? The 700-4 did a 7:25 on corsas, while the 12c did a 7:28 on corsas. What does that tell you.

 

[Rolf]

Sensational time from this Lamborghini I am glad they got the balls and bragging rights to show Ferrari and McLaren that they can even beat the production record with this less powerful 640PS model (compared to 670PS Ferrari and 675PS McLaren)

 

[WBarnes]

It could just be the tyres heating up and the air inside them increasing in pressure causing the tyres to expand by 2-3%. Or it could be the rev counter is about to notch up an extra 100rpm in one shot. If it only steps 100rpm on the 50, the rev counter could read the same while the revs are 100rpm different.

Some people are incredible anuses. This is why many manufacturers just don't bother with 'ring times. You literally can't win. Set a great time and some clown will only accuse you of cheating anyway.

 

[WBarnes]

True, but this one will especially draw suspicion and in some cases, contempt. Most just won't believe it because of the 918 itself. After what happened with the SV's times not being consistent, and the LT being faster by a second, most fail to believe it. But most also forget that the ring 918 was a pre-pro car, so it wasnt at the best performing specs.

Then you have the cases of the SV vs LT, but most forget or completely ignore the fact that the SV is on corsas, not trofeos. The LT is on trofeos, and is usually a second faster, while the 650s is on corsas, and is usually 1-2secs behind the SV. Remember when SA did the supertest on the 700-4 and the 12c? The 700-4 did a 7:25 on corsas, while the 12c did a 7:28 on corsas. What does that tell you.

This is really simply explained.

1. Some people simply can't accept that 6:57 ain't that fast.

2. Some people can't accept that a car whose battery ran out after 3 minutes on Sebring is not the same car whose battery ran out after 6+ minutes on the 'ring.

3. Some people can't accept the car that was 3-5mph faster on every straight on Laguna, but significantly slower on lap 2 and 3 due to battery losing charge, was not the same car that lapped in 2014 or the same car that lapped the 'ring either.

4. Some people can't accept that when your battery runs dry and you get reduced to 28Xkph on Dottinger Hohe, instead of 320kph, you will bleed time.

And because of 1-4, some people are forced to make the argument that Lamborghini cheated, otherwise they have to admit that they are wrong, which they are pyschologically incapable of doing.

 

[A.P.]

Hahahha, so now we have conspiracy theories?

It's done, it has been set and there is a video for proof that shows it did it. What else could one need?

No one questioned Zonda or 918 when they set their laps.

 

[WBarnes]

I've honestly watched people on several forums first claim slicks, then claim the roll cage makes it illegitimate, then say the passenger seat was missing, then say it was faked by the same people who faked the moon landing. This is why manufacturers are increasingly saying, "sod 'ring times," because people will just say they cheated anyway.

 

[lambornima]

This is really simply explained.

1. Some people simply can't accept that 6:57 ain't that fast.

2. Some people can't accept that a car whose battery ran out after 3 minutes on Sebring is not the same car whose battery ran out after 6+ minutes on the 'ring.

3. Some people can't accept the car that was 3-5mph faster on every straight on Laguna, but significantly slower on lap 2 and 3 due to battery losing charge, was not the same car that lapped in 2014 or the same car that lapped the 'ring either.

4. Some people can't accept that when your battery runs dry and you get reduced to 28Xkph on Dottinger Hohe, instead of 320kph, you will bleed time.

And because of 1-4, some people are forced to make the argument that Lamborghini cheated, otherwise they have to admit that they are wrong, which they are pyschologically incapable of doing.

Not to mention people aren't bright enough not to compare manufacturers times with magazine times. Obviously a magazine will not get a 6:52, probably 10-15 seconds slower. You can't compare the Huracan's time of 7:28 from SportAuto and compare it to the Performantes time and then say there's not way it could shave off 30 seconds. Well no $hit.

 

[kingjr9000]

Just out of curiosity: did anyone watch the video he posted, to the end?

 

[slicknick]

Just out of curiosity: did anyone watch the video he posted, to the end?

Personally, I couldn't be bothered

 

[kingjr9000]

Personally, I couldn't be bothered

You really should. He's lying.

 

[A.P.]

I did watch whole Mischa's (?) video. Commented pointing out some things in his theory, and he flipped out into a hater deleting some comments and "loving" other hater's comments. He is full of shit like the rest of the conspiracy theorists.

My bet is that Lambo will respond to this Bs on Monday.
Even Mr.Harris says he heavly doubts they would do such a thing.

 

[Bucketslash11]

Not to mention people aren't bright enough not to compare manufacturers times with magazine times. Obviously a magazine will not get a 6:52, probably 10-15 seconds slower. You can't compare the Huracan's time of 7:28 from SportAuto and compare it to the Performantes time and then say there's not way it could shave off 30 seconds. Well no $hit.

agreed, i've seen people who comapares the ZR1s manufacturer 7:19 to the LFAs supertest 7:38 and calling it legit

 

[kingjr9000]

This guy's claiming it as if the actual 918 lap is faster in all corners, compared to the video he used. Therefore, in his eyes, if the Performante is slower on the video he used, then its even worse on the actual 918 lap. Plus, the fact that he "mentioned" the P1's claim of fast sectors he's definitely targeting lambo.

He's getting his 918 speeds from the 7:00 lap and assuming that those times are equal or faster during the actual lap time. There are cases where thats true, and there are cases where its slower. He could have just got the actual video and used the speed that was available. Then he mentions shadows on trees and the sun's angle? That could easily be camera position. Then he mentions the gantry speed of the 918 @ 255kph, and Huracan @ 244. The actual video was 918 @237-240kph. Then the T15(?) sign was around 285kph in the 918, and the Huracan was around 290kph, 280 if you do the speedo error or whatever, but maxed out around 300kph.

 

[A.P.]

Press from Pirelli:

Lamborghini sets new Nürburgring lap record on P Zero Trofeo R tyres
Friday 3rd March 2017 | 0 Comments

Lamborghini has beaten the Nürburgring Nordschleife lap record with its new Huracan Performante and specially-developed Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tyres. The time of 6m52.1s on broke the existing production car record.

The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tyres, in 245/30ZR20 at the front and 305/30ZR20 at the back were designed specifically by Pirelli’s engineers for the record attempt. The team was able to develop these tyres in just three months, thanks to advanced modelling techniques and correlation of on-track data with telemetry. As a result, the combined work of Pirelli and Lamborghini’s engineers meant that a base set-up was established with one development session.

Together with Lamborghini’s research and development team, the Pirelli engineers responsible for developing specific tyres for the Huracan Performante were also present at the track when the record was broken.

The P Zero Trofeo R has been specifically designed to complement the performance of extreme cars – especially on a racing circuit – in complete safety. The tyres react precisely to the driver’s inputs while on the limit, typical of circuit driving. On dry asphalt, P Zero Trofeo R ensures high levels of grip and consist handling even under the most extreme conditions.

P Zero Trofeo R uses motorsport-derived compounds made from innovative materials as well as a redesigned tread pattern. These have led to extraordinary results, both in terms of increased stability and improved lateral roadholding in the dry, while at the same time reducing wear.

Lamborghini’s Huracan Performante will be previewed globally at the Geneva Motor Show, wearing made to measure P Zero Corsa road tyres.

Note: they state they were present observing the record and if I understand it correctly... these tyres will make way to other cars (Rumored to appear also on 720S from McLife posts?).

 

[Amat46]

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[WBarnes]

Not to mention people aren't bright enough not to compare manufacturers times with magazine times. Obviously a magazine will not get a 6:52, probably 10-15 seconds slower. You can't compare the Huracan's time of 7:28 from SportAuto and compare it to the Performantes time and then say there's not way it could shave off 30 seconds. Well no $hit.

Exactly. Swap in a factory driver and that already wipes off 20s without any vehicle alterations. Add new improved Pirelli tyres and that nets you anything from 1+s/minute. So you're already more or less there without the weight reduction, increased power and aero improvements.