Global Warming!

[Euphoria]

IT'S FREEZING (almost literally) here in Southern California!!! It got down to the single digit (2 degrees) last week! It SNOWED in Malibu, Hollywood, and some parts of LA... and it hailed on the 405, but really little. Very interesting weather, very cold by our standards...

Good think I live by the ocean, where temperatures don't fluctuate as much... but it's still really cold.

 

[MikeJ]

It's -22 degrees here now, so it would seem like things are back to normal... but looking at what's in store for the rest of the week suggests otherwise. From -27 on tuesday night to +1 on thursday...

 

[PanterroR]

Friday 17, Saturday 17 and yesterday 18 degrees here. I'm doing barbecue for 3 days in my yard in short sleeves...

 

[MikeJ]

For some reason I have the feeling that the average temperature for this winter will not differ significantly from the long-time averages.
Oulu, Finland: -29,7°C currently...

 

[Osnabrueck]

It's pretty "warm" in Germany I hear. My friends have been telling me about a very mild Winter.

 

[Mr. M]

It's cool in the morning here in Singapore. Around 23C when we usually average around 26C.

 

[Habitual Speeder]

Global warming, my ass!

 

[tobajara]

I read on a newspaper that in the near future vast areas of Greeces coast lines will be submerged by sea because of the melting of the ice in the north pole.

 

[Habitual Speeder]

I read on a newspaper that in the near future vast areas of Greeces coast lines will be submerged by sea because of the melting of the ice in the north pole.

Folks have been saying that about every coastline around the world for about 2 decades, now...

 

[SDNR]

This is a very impressive extra credit high school assignment by a 15 year old girl -- she really kicks Al Gore's ass.

INTRODUCTION
I will demonstrate that the Earth’s warming climate is a result of natural variance and that man made changes in the warming climate in the last 40 years are negligible at best. I will insert pieces of the puzzle from new scientific studies that were not available or were ignored in previous global warming studies.
I add a possible piece of the puzzle, nuclear weapons testing in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, that may have made a small contribution to cooling at that time.
After reviewing numerous scientific studies and observing data, it is clear that the theory that “man made increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide are causing global warming” is not likely.

I will demonstrate that a negative trend in the El Nino Southern Oscillation (more and stronger La Ninas) from 1945 to 1975 and a postive trend in the ENSO from 1975 to present (more and stronger El Ninos) correlates better with global temperature changes than greenhouse theory. Thus, ENSO is probably the largest contributor to global warming in the past 30 years.

The economic and political climate surrounding this issue has made it nearly impossible for scientists and researchers to objectively view the mountain of recent data.

While I will use much of the available and updated scientific data, I will also interject common sense, something that is seriously lacking in the debate on this issue. For instance, you might notice my use of the one ten-thousandth figure. Were you aware that the total man made CO2 increase in the atmosphere over the last 150 years is just that, one ten-thousandth of total atmosphere?

CONTINUED HERE

This teenager has more sense than most of the politicians and bureaucrats who are now totally obsessed with carbon credits and the money to be made from the issue.

 

[EnI]

This teenager has more sense than most of the politicians and bureaucrats who are now totally obsessed with carbon credits and the money to be made from the issue.

And all world's leading climatologists are wrong? Give me a break!

It's not a coincidence CO2 emissions have started to increase when people started to use fossil fuels, and when industrialization begun?

Isn't it funny that global warming is a "political issue" only in USA, China & Russia. Another coincidence?

Again: give me a break!

Btw, Santa is not real!

 

[SDNR]

And all world's leading climatologists are wrong? Give me a break!

This is not actually true. Most of the world's climatologists are not fixed to the idea that climate change is caused by CO2 emissions -- and more and more have become skeptical in recent times.

It's not a coincidence CO2 emissions have started to increase when people started to use fossil fuels, and when industrialization begun?

They didn't increase drastically though. The worst, so called, greenhouse gas, by far, is water vapour (clouds).

Isn't it funny that global warming is a "political issue" only in USA, China & Russia. Another coincidence?

Not funny really. Western Europe's governments have become less and less relevant on the international stage, the EU (European parliament in Brussels) makes all the decisions and is committed to global warming (Kyoto protocol) and carbon credits.

Btw, Santa is not real!

He's not?

 

[Choleric]

This is not actually true. Most of the world's climatologists are not fixed to the idea that climate change is caused by CO2 emissions -- and more and more have become skeptical in recent times.

If you dont mind Rob, I'd like to see the evidence that "most" climatoligists don't believe CO2 emissions are affecting the global climate.

Now, I am no expert by any means, but I would think that even a 2 year old could figure out that this stuff certainly doesn't help the global climate...

 

[EnI]

This is not actually true. Most of the world's climatologists are not fixed to the idea that climate change is caused by CO2 emissions -- and more and more have become skeptical in recent times.


They didn't increase drastically though. The worst, so called, greenhouse gas, by far, is water vapour (clouds).

Not funny really. Western Europe's governments have become less and less relevant on the international stage, the EU (European parliament in Brussels) makes all the decisions and is committed to global warming (Kyoto protocol) and carbon credits.
He's not?

No comment.

In the case you didn't know: Earth is not flat either.
And it's the Earth that rotates around the Sun, and not vice versa.

And I'm sure there are people - even "scientists" who would disagree with that as well.

I'm just waiting for someone to come out with a "brilliant" idea: that it is the Sun that causes global warming, and should be nuked for that reason.

Sorry, Rob - I just had to do it.

 

[SDNR]

If you dont mind Rob, I'd like to see the evidence that "most" climatoligists don't believe CO2 emissions are affecting the global climate.

I didn't say they don't believe CO2 emissions are affecting the global climate, I said they are not fixed to the idea that CO2 is causing it. No scientist worth his salt would commit himself/herself to a theory without having all the facts and evidence first. Good science is never a matter of opinion -- it should always be based on factual evidence -- and that is what is badly lacking in this whole debate. The politicians and environmentalists all jumped on this bandwagon and now if you question it, you are made to feel like a Holocaust denier.

Now, I am no expert by any means, but I would think that even a 2 year old could figure out that this stuff certainly doesn't help the global climate...

There is absolutely no doubt that such pollution is very damaging to our environment, but the effect it has on the global climate is still not certain. We must be very careful not to fall into the politicized trap of just going along with the crowd -- especially when several eminent scientists still question the whole issue.

It seems to me that many of the same people who are usually so cynical about Capitalism, big business, and the Bush administration, are absolutely prepared to accept industrial causes for climate change without any debate or concern over the myriad of contentious issues it raises.

 

[Choleric]

I didn't say they don't believe CO2 emissions are affecting the global climate, I said they are not fixed to the idea that CO2 is causing it. No scientist worth his salt would commit himself/herself to a theory without having all the facts and evidence first. Good science is never a matter of opinion -- it should always be based on factual evidence -- and that is what is badly lacking in this whole debate. The politicians and environmentalists all jumped on this bandwagon and now if you question it, you are made to feel like a Holocaust denier.

fair enough, I'll agree with that.

It seems to me that many of the same people who are usually so cynical about Capitalism, big business, and the Bush administration, are absolutely prepared to accept industrial causes for climate change without any debate or concern over the myriad of contentious issues it raises.

Yeah but one could say the exact same for the other side. Anyone who is all gung-ho for capitalism, big business, and conservatives, are absolutley prepared to deny industrial causes for climate change without any debate or concern over the myriad of contentious issues it raises.

 

[EnI]

So, in any case it would be good to reduce CO2 and other gas emissions, and reduce polluting the planet. I think everybody knows pollution is a bad not a good thing. And something have to be done - even if lower profits are the price for it.

Have you ever asked yourselves how much wast you produce per year (including gas emissions caused by your cars)? And how much of that waste can be recycled, and how many is dropped to garbage dump causing pollution?

It was said many times: we only have one planet, and we have to preserve it.

Some things can be ruined very quickly, but it then takes several years / decades / centuries to repair the demage - or some of it is even permanent.

That's why I'm so angry about that "global warming" issue: it is completely skewed. Look how far have we come: we need factual scientific evidences to start to believe we are polluting the planet too excessively.

And IMO it's not "bad scientists" who are the "bad guys" in this matter, but all the capitalistic interests (of some huge corporations) are the real "bad guys". And we - individual human beings for being selfish, ignorant & vain (we have become Homo Consumicus / Homo Polluticus).

 

[PanterroR]

Have you ever asked yourselves how much wast you produce per year (including gas emissions caused by your cars)? And how much of that waste can be recycled, and how many is dropped to garbage dump causing pollution?

Nope! But i've asked myself how much of tear gas of my own i produce daily and believe me, that ain't good for anybody...

Sorry, just had to do it.

 

[CorpusCallosum]

Well down under (Australia), where all after some rain as we have not had significant rain fall for over 4 years i believe... Today looking out th window at work I noticed omonious rain clouds that adventuated into little or no rain... It is nearly winter and yet we are still having 26 degree C daily temperatures... I personally did science/medicine at university for 6 years and I in no way or means portray myself as a expert in the field.. but one thing I have always considered is that perhaps this is all just a natural occurence for the earth... We go through a stable climate for centuries then we go through 'global warming' which is the catalyst for an ice age... Perhaps it is just a never ending cycle designed to renew the Earth's climate???

I'm not sure what the rest of your take on this is but something certainly isn't clicking in the clockwork when I treated a patient for heat stroke in winter???

 

[Giannis]

I read on a newspaper that in the near future vast areas of Greeces coast lines will be submerged by sea because of the melting of the ice in the north pole.

I live 50m from the sea on the 5th floor of an apartment building. So in 50 years time i will have my own private island