German Cars Amongst Worst Engine Failures

[C4L]

Really? This is from the person who LIVES to talk down to anyone that doesn't worship VW/Audi? That is really rich.

M

I am not talking down to anyone. You are though...

 

[Merc1]

I am not talking down to anyone. You are though...

More drivel.

M

 

[C4L]

More drivel?

M

FIXED

I simply answered another posters question with a contextual and factual understanding of the magnitude of the statistics conveyed by this study. Any subsequent 'drivel' was yours. And no, we don't want more. I appreciate you asking though...

 

[Merc1]

FIXED

I simply answered another posters question with a contextual and factual understanding of the magnitude of the statistics conveyed by this study. Any subsequent 'drivel' was yours. And no, we don't want more. I appreciate you asking though...

How many times are you going to repeat that? If it weren't about VW/Audi you wouldn't be trying to so hard. Pretend I just said "we don't want more" to you.

M

 

[C4L]

How many times are you going to repeat that? If it weren't about VW/Audi you wouldn't be trying to so hard. Pretend I just said "we don't want more" to you.

M

1 - It has nothing to do with the brand. The numbers are the numbers.
2 - I didn't have to try to do anything. The numbers are the numbers.
3 - I know you don't want more truth. I am aware of that. You detest the truth.

Just disagree with the truth I shared and move on. Not too hard buddy...

 

[Giannis]

Com' on guys, let's stay on topic!

 

[Sunny]

As an aside, it is something I wonder too, is there a case to (over) engineer an engine to last a million miles when most cars won't see past 300k. How about 2 million miles? Is the added cost (and weight?) wisely spend? I myself am culpable too. I take great pride in the Mezger engine in the GT3 being "race proven" and being engineered to last a 24hr race. All the while knowing very well, I am never putting the car through that, neither are the 99% of the other owners going to. It definitely feels good, but is it the best use of the resources to engineer a street car to withstand that? Just some food for thought...

 

[martinbo]

Ok, we'll leave it at that thank you. Please get back on topic. Someone will probably have some thread cleaning to do.

 

[Gianclaudio]

That is literally what those numbers mean. Now, the question comes into WHEN you have an engine failure, not if. It could occur in your first experience or it could occur in your last experience. You just never know. But statistically, the frequency is precisely as I conveyed as those are what the actual numbers show.

How would you interpret those statistics/numbers?
What do they mean to you?

Let me start by saying I don't trust nor believe all these cosumer reports and index, but the way you twisted the numbers and your interpretation was too sick to pass off.
You randomly added the 5 years ownership factor and multiplicate it with the engine failure ratio, to get those insane figures of consecutives years without a failure. Warranty direct doesn't say that those failure ratios are per one year, so multiplicating that with the 5 years ownership is a crass error.

What WD says (you can choose not to believe) is one Audi in 27 has reported an engine problem, that could be on a one day car or a 5 year's one. According to them, a Mercedes does 1 in 119. That means that for every Mercedes engine failing, there are 4,4 Audi's engines failing.

Also bear in mind, you can't randomly add the 5 years ownership, as a more problematic vehicle will mean the owner will probalby get rid of that car and won't hold is as much time as a trouble free one.

Just to ilustrate how off the mark your thinking was, let me add a metaphor of it. Let's say my city, Santa Cruz has the highest homicide rate of the world, at 1 out of 10 people and and Bern in Switzerland, the less at 1 out of 50'000.

Adding a random, medium life expectancy (here comes the error) of 75 years (difficult to have a media of 75 when 1 out of 10 get assassinated), you had to live 750 years to get kill in Santa Cruz and 3'750'000 years in Bern. So no big deal, let's all go on vacation to Santa Cruz, after all, we've to live 750 years to get killed in there.

See?

 

[Merc1]

Let me start by saying I don't trust nor believe all these cosumer reports and index, but the way you twisted the numbers and your interpretation was too sick to pass off.
You randomly added the 5 years ownership factor and multiplicate it with the engine failure ratio, to get those insane figures of consecutives years without a failure. Warranty direct doesn't say that those failure ratios are per one year, so multiplicating that with the 5 years ownership is a crass error.

What WD says (you can choose not to believe) is one Audi in 27 has reported an engine problem, that could be on a one day car or a 5 year's one. According to them, a Mercedes does 1 in 119. That means that for every Mercedes engine failing, there are 4,4 Audi's engines failing.

Also bear in mind, you can't randomly add the 5 years ownership, as a more problematic vehicle will mean the owner will probalby get rid of that car and won't hold is as much time as a trouble free one.

Just to ilustrate how off the mark your thinking was, let me add a metaphor of it. Let's say my city, Santa Cruz has the highest homicide rate of the world, at 1 out of 10 people and and Bern in Switzerland, the less at 1 out of 50'000.

Adding a random, medium life expectancy (here comes the error) of 75 years (difficult to have a media of 75 when 1 out of 10 get assassinated), you had to live 750 years to get kill in Santa Cruz and 3'750'000 years in Bern. So no big deal, let's all go on vacation to Santa Cruz, after all, we've to live 750 years to get killed in there.

See?

The whole point of all that BS was to try and make the above highlighted portion go away or to make it seem like it doesn't matter. Nothing more. All BS.


M

 

[C4L]

Let me start by saying I don't trust nor believe all these cosumer reports and index, but the way you twisted the numbers and your interpretation was too sick to pass off.
You randomly added the 5 years ownership factor and multiplicate it with the engine failure ratio, to get those insane figures of consecutives years without a failure. Warranty direct doesn't say that those failure ratios are per one year, so multiplicating that with the 5 years ownership is a crass error.

, that could be on a one day car or a 5 year's one. According to them, a Mercedes does 1 in 119. That means that for every Mercedes engine failing, there are 4,4 Audi's engines failing.

Also bear in mind, you can't randomly add the 5 years ownership, as a more problematic vehicle will mean the owner will probalby get rid of that car and won't hold is as much time as a trouble free one.

Just to ilustrate how off the mark your thinking was, let me add a metaphor of it. Let's say my city, Santa Cruz has the highest homicide rate of the world, at 1 out of 10 people and and Bern in Switzerland, the less at 1 out of 50'000.

Adding a random, medium life expectancy (here comes the error) of 75 years (difficult to have a media of 75 when 1 out of 10 get assassinated), you had to live 750 years to get kill in Santa Cruz and 3'750'000 years in Bern. So no big deal, let's all go on vacation to Santa Cruz, after all, we've to live 750 years to get killed in there.

See?

I don't believe any of them BECAUSE of what the numbers show...

What numbers do you think I 'twisted'? It is just simple math...

What WD says (you can choose not to believe) is one Audi in 27 has reported an engine problem

No, it shows that 1 in 27 have an engine FAILURE, not just a problem.

That completely throws off everything you just said based on them getting rid of the car after having a problem or whatnot. And using the words 'probably' are just your hyperbolic assumptions to twist the data in your favor by changing it's perception in your mind. Just stick to the numbers, like I did.

I am an analyst by profession. If I used the words 'probably' during the course of my job much, I wouldn't be a very good analyst.

I literally just put those statistical figures into real-life owner terms. I did fully admit that the question them comes into WHEN that 1 engine failure occurs, not IF. It could be your first one, it could be you last one. For most (96.3%+) it will never happen. But statistically it will happen once every 27 cars. As an owner, you get ONE.

1 in 27 Audi's reported an engine FAILURE (not problem).
1 in 119 Merc's reported an engine FAILURE (not problem).

Owners only buy 1. They have a 3.7% chance of having an engine failure with an Audi they buy while they have a 0.8% chance of having an engine failure with a Mercedes they buy.

It is that simple. The odds of EITHER having an engine failure are in the GROSS minority. What would you think if the weather man told you there was a 3.7% chance of rain today? I am guessing you would presume it wasn't going to rain today. Likely the very same thought you would have if he reported a 0.8% chance of rain today.

That is how small these figures are. Nothing more than statistical anomalies that only mean something when propagated by extrapolating their results.

What I said about actual years of ownership is 100% true and accurate. Nothing twisted. It would take you 27 Audi's to STATISTICALLY have 1 engine failure. If that takes you 250 years or 10 years, so be it. That is precisely what this data says, however. WHEN that failure occurs is the unknown variable.

Your 'murder rate' analogy fails you because I can't be more than 1 person and can't experience death more than once. As an owner of a car, I can own multiple cars and experience unlimited engine failures.

 

[C4L]

The whole point of all that BS was to try and make the above highlighted portion go away or to make it seem like it doesn't matter. Nothing more. All BS.


M

Check your bias at the door please. If you aren't going to talk about the story and want to just talk about me, then I implore you to PM me and we can work out your issues.

And what I find ironic is that you are spending all this energy and effort trying to defend Mercedes and accost Audi by disregarding the truth when I own neither product and you own a BMW, which is just marginally better off than Audi and 7th from the bottom, worse than VW.

Why? Because you are obsessed with me and aren't even arguing the data, just me.

And you have said you are considering an RS5 and GTI/Golf R for a future purchase too. So how much does this data really matter to you either?

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[Merc1]

Check your bias at the door please. If you aren't going to talk about the story and want to just talk about me, then I implore you to PM me and we can work out your issues.

And what I find ironic is that you are spending all this energy and effort trying to defend Mercedes and accost Audi by disregarding the truth when I own neither product and you own a BMW, which is just marginally better off than Audi and 7th from the bottom, worse than VW.

Why?

Because you are obsessed with me and aren't even arguing the data, just me.

And you have said you are considering an RS5 and GTI/Golf R for a future purchase too. So how much does this data really matter to you either?

I wouldn't waste my time PM'ing you. You're a time wasting troll. Nothing more. I find it ironic and idiotic that you spend all day trying to make VW/Audi's problems go away, trying to bury them under a bunch of BS. You can't. The only person obsessed here is you, no one was even talking to you, yet here you are again quoting me. Too bad you can't consider a RS5 for purchase. Maybe if you spent your days actually doing something you could consider an Audi instead of arm chair quarterbacking about them all day.

Bottom line is just like the other poster said:

Audi has a far greater engine failure rate than Mercedes. Period. Nothing you can say will change this. NOTHING.

Checking biases at that door? Why don't you do the same? You can't. Your sole purpose for coming to this site is to argue about VW/Audi. Period. You're LLN troll.

M

 

[C4L]

I wouldn't waste my time PM'ing you. You're a time wasting troll. Nothing more. I find it ironic and idiotic that you spend all day trying to make VW/Audi's problems go away, trying to bury them under a bunch of BS. You can't. The only person obsessed here is you, no one was even talking to you, yet here you are again quoting me. Too bad you can't consider a RS5 for purchase. Maybe if you spent your days actually doing something you could consider an Audi instead of arm chair quarterbacking about them all day.

Bottom line is just like the other poster said:

Audi has a far greater engine failure rate than Mercedes. Period. Nothing you can say will change this. NOTHING.

Checking biases at that door? Why don't you do the same? You can't. Your sole purpose for coming to this site is to argue about VW/Audi. Period. You're GCF troll.

M

Thanks for sharing. Again, if you would like to talk about the subject matter presented in this story, do so. If you can't do so, leave.

Now, if you want to continue to talk about me, PM me. That is all you are doing here now. Talk about wasting your time...

 

[Merc1]

Thanks for sharing. Again, if you would like to talk about the subject matter presented in this story, do so. If you can't do so, leave.

Now, if you want to continue to talk about me, PM me. That is all you are doing here now. Talk about wasting your time...

Exactly, now maybe you can go away, because you've trolled enough here. Yeah I wasting my time, you're right about that, with the ultimate time wasting, BS'ng, troll.

M

 

[C4L]

Exactly, now maybe you can go away, because you've trolled enough here. Yeah I wasting my time, you're right about that, with the ultimate time wasting, BS'ng, troll.

M

So you admit you were trolling? Makes sense. I came here and have since spent my time discussing the subject of this thread. You have done nothing of the sort. Troll somewhere else and we could have avoided all of this. I haven't trolled anything. You have though...

Again, if you have nothing more to contribute to the subject matter of this discussion, either PM me or leave. I will continue to discuss the subject matter of this discussion with those that wish to do so themselves.

 

[Merc1]

So you admit you were trolling? Makes sense. I came here and have since spent my time discussing the subject of this thread. You have done nothing of the sort. Troll somewhere else and we could have avoided all of this. I haven't trolled anything. You have though...

Nope, but you are. Again, why are you responding? TROLL. Why are you even here?

M

 

[C4L]

Nope, but you are. Again, why are you responding? TROLL. Why are you even here?

M

Do you have a mirror handy?

I am here to talk about the subject matter of this thread.
You are here to talk about me it seems...

Mods?

 

[Merc1]

Do you have a mirror handy?

I am here to talk about the subject matter of this thread.
You are here to talk about me it seems...

You aren't talking about anything relating to the subject, you're just proving that you're a troll.

M

 

[C4L]

You aren't talking about anything relating to the subject, you're just proving that you're a troll.

M

Still haven't found that mirror?

The ONLY comments on mine that are unrelated to the story are the ones replying to YOUR unrelated posts. Do you really not see that? Maybe I should hand you the mirror. I have one handy for you...