French President Slapped in the face

[WBarnes]

Welcome to the absurdities featured in many EU member-state justice systems. For example, I simply cannot believe the frequency of serious grievous assault perpetrators getting off with a probationary slap on the wrist. It is evidence of the agenda-driven malaise found in our justice as well as education systems.

I was about to post the same thing. If Macron was real man and wasn't pretending to shag his mother he wouldn't even have pressed charges.

If that's what you call assault then I must have grown up in a torture chamber. Even my mum slapped harder than that dude.

 

[David Brent]

I was about to post the same thing. If Macron was real man and wasn't pretending to shag his mother he wouldn't even have pressed charges.

If that's what you call assault then I must have grown up in a torture chamber. Even my mum slapped harder than that dude.

Yeah, because that wouldn't give the green light to any idiot out there to try and slap the President, would it?

I can't work out whether you're a troll, or just not very bright. Maybe it's both?

 

[David Brent]

If it didn’t concern Macron, but a normal citizen, I’ll take any bet this case wouldn’t even be prosecuted but far before that dismissed. Besides, I’ve seldom seen such a quick conviction…

It's absolutely right that people are treated differently for attacking a President compared to a regular citizen, in the same way attacking a member of the police or certain other professions should also be treated differently. And the speed of the conviction should be as quick as possible.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

I was about to post the same thing. If Macron was real man and wasn't pretending to shag his mother he wouldn't even have pressed charges.

If that's what you call assault then I must have grown up in a torture chamber. Even my mum slapped harder than that dude.

Not to be misunderstood:

I find the penalty for slapping Macron warranted (although I do feel that many politicians deserve a spirited slapdown, figuratively for certain anyway). Far more effective is a stern punishment at the ballot box. Over the past week, I am seeing something that at least vaguely resembles common sense returning to Germanys' political arena and I, for one, am actually praying that it is sustainable.

What I don't approve of is that, pertaining to outside of the political spectrum, assaults are far too often not persecuted with vigour and that agenda-driven, perceived"politically correct" apologism resulting in disgusting double standard application of law is eroding the fabric of not only the justice systems, but also that of society as a whole. There are far too many individuals' who have been granted something not distant from a carte blanche by authorities who, in a common sense reality, belong behind bars. Or rapidly expelled. Perhaps both.

 

[Levi68]

It's absolutely right that people are treated differently for attacking a President compared to a regular citizen, in the same way attacking a member of the police or certain other professions should also be treated differently. And the speed of the conviction should be as quick as possible.

i agree that people of responsibility and those protecting/saving others should be more protected by the law.

but if macron or any other politicians do not want their citizens to have wishes of slapping them, maybe they should give some names too rather than just benefiting of their fair legal advantage.

 

[WBarnes]

The UK also has a law that enables longer sentences for assault on Emergency Workers and Public Servants/Officials.

It does, and I don't agree with that either, it creates double standards. It's simply ridiculous that someone can have bones broken or be left crippled after an assault and the perpetrators get community service, but simply slapping a public servant (president or not) receives 4 months in jail. Everyone deserves the same protection under law, if not then the law will be ignored.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

It's simply ridiculous that someone can have bones broken or be left crippled after an assault and the perpetrators get community service

...or...the perpetrator(s) is/are rendered unaccountable due to "trauma". A top-of-the-charts summation by many defense counsels.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

...or...the perpetrator(s) is/are rendered unaccountable due to "trauma". A top-of-the-charts summation by many defense counsels.

This kind of defense strategy has become common rule in Germany since, let’s see, around 2012.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

This kind of defense strategy has become common rule in Germany since, let’s see, around 2012.

...and that correlates chronolgically with the implementation of some very poorly contemplated policy decisions by the Merkel-led federal government(s). That time period (2011-12) also introduced the progressive betrayal of former modern (not reactionary) conservative principals that were once the trademark of the CDU/CSU as well as the more moderately conservative, pragmatic factions of the SPD. This resulted in the ideological infiltration of the education system, academia + its' institutions and hence, the justice system and the public service media. The propagated hollow, pseudo humanistic (note PSEUDO) agenda that has been cultivated has not been advantageous regarding the fortunes of the country. "Cancel Culture" is beginning to take its' toll among the ranks of some of the countrys' most outspoken, competent politicians (Palmer, Wagenknecht, Thierse and Maaßen to name a few). What remains are the blatherers.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

...and that correlates chronolgically with the implementation of some very poorly contemplated policy decisions by the Merkel-led federal government(s). That time period (2011-12) also introduced the progressive betrayal of former modern (not reactionary) conservative principals that were once the trademark of the CDU/CSU as well as the more moderately conservative, pragmatic factions of the SPD. This resulted in the ideological infiltration of the education system, academia + its' institutions and hence, the justice system and the public service media. The propagated hollow, pseudo humanistic (note PSEUDO) agenda that has been cultivated has not been advantageous regarding the fortunes of the country. "Cancel Culture" is beginning to take its' toll among the ranks of some of the countrys' most outspoken, competent politicians (Palmer, Wagenknecht, Thierse and Maaßen to name a few). What remains are the blatherers.

Well spoken, Jimmy.
What baffles me, is that many Germans I have the privilege to know and talk to, may that be private or business, see it exactly the way you (and I) do. Yet, the majority of German voters are like lemming running into a canyon, still voting the parties they‘ve always been voting, but if you ask me, they hardly know what or who they are voting. I dare to say, that 80-90% of them never bother to read the parties programms. You and I know that current CDU/CSU can’t be compared to the CDU/CSU as lead by Helmut Kohl and F.J. Strauss. Current SPD is not even a shadow of the SPD from the times of Helmut Schmidt. Still, people carry on voting them. Though I also notice many former, typical SPD voters swept over to AfD.
And that love for Bündnis 90-die Grünen...!? I know this party is pushed like no other by the unabhängige Deutsche Presse. Sometimes quite sickening if you ask me. But really, can German people think anymore (for themselves)?

 

[Deleted member 1071]

But really, can German people think anymore (for themselves)?

Alas, a question that I ask myself all the more frequently.

 

[Bucketslash11]

Lol made my day , I don’t even know about macrons politics I just love to see motherf#ckers getting slapped. Haha

neoliberal corporate politician, that's why he deserves the slap

 

[Bucketslash11]

Though I also notice many former, typical SPD voters swept over to AfD.

social democracy can't solve the internal contradictions of the system so they look elsewhere for a solution, doesn't mean they'll find it there

"for some it's easier to imagine the end of the world rather than the end of capitalism"
- Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism

 

[Deleted member 1071]

social democracy can't solve the internal contradictions of the system so they look elsewhere for a solution, doesn't mean they'll find it there

The AfD, despite the first letter of its' acronym, has long become ABSOLUTELY NO ALTERNATIVE for Germany. The originally quite plausible platform that it presented upon its' inception has been replaced by the agenda of rabid far-right populist delusionists devoid of realistic solutions. I still cannot believe how they so thoroughly squandered the opportunity to become a modern, pragmatic conservative entity in the face of an increasingly leftward-skewed CDU. Instead, they opted to become hamfisted, often utterly disgusting polit-hooligans.

 

[Bucketslash11]

The AfD, despite the first letter of its' acronym, has long become ABSOLUTELY NO ALTERNATIVE for Germany. The originally quite plausible platform that it presented upon its' inception has been replaced by the agenda of rabid far-right populist delusionists devoid of realistic solutions. I still cannot believe how they so thoroughly squandered the opportunity to become a modern, pragmatic conservative entity in the face of an increasingly leftward-skewed CDU. Instead, they opted to become hamfisted, often utterly disgusting polit-hooligans.

the CDU isn't exactly what you call left either (seems like the neoliberal Blairite "left")
taken from wikipedia:

The Thuringian CDU had been perceived as cooperating with the Alternative for Germany (AfD) to prevent the election of a left-wing government,

granted the left in Germany already knows not to trust the (liberal) social democrats after they collaborated with fascists and killed Rosa Luxemburg

 

[Deleted member 1071]

neoliberal corporate politician, that's why he deserves the slap

Oh, I find nothing fundamentally wrong with Liberalism or Neoliberalism. Nor do I find anything fundamentally wrong with Socialism or Communism. But alas, sociopolitical "isms" fail to function as they were initially ideologically intended due to the "human condition", the very nature of the character of human beings.
The concept of the social market economy as per the interpretations of Bismarck and Müller-Armack appears, to me, to be the most plausible, most pragmatic system. But it too is susceptible to unfavourable mutation and/or dilution.

 

[Bucketslash11]

Oh, I find nothing fundamentally wrong with Liberalism or Neoliberalism. Nor do I find anything fundamentally wrong with Socialism or Communism. But alas, sociopolitical "isms" fail to function as they were initially ideologically intended due to the "human condition", the very nature of the character of human beings.
The concept of the social market economy as per the interpretations of Bismarck and Müller-Armack appears, to me, to be the most plausible, most pragmatic system. But it too is susceptible to unfavourable mutation and/or dilution.

i find the "human nature" argument rather weak, we are influenced by the society around us and it just so happens that capitalism rewards sociopathic/psycopathic traits
here's a video that explains it well (5 min):

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[Bucketslash11]

Oh, I find nothing fundamentally wrong with Liberalism or Neoliberalism. Nor do I find anything fundamentally wrong with Socialism or Communism. But alas, sociopolitical "isms" fail to function as they were initially ideologically intended due to the "human condition", the very nature of the character of human beings.
The concept of the social market economy as per the interpretations of Bismarck and Müller-Armack appears, to me, to be the most plausible, most pragmatic system. But it too is susceptible to unfavourable mutation and/or dilution.

for neoliberalism i recommend this video or the playlist of Philosophy Tube:
(15 min)

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[Deleted member 1071]

i find the "human nature" argument rather weak, we are influenced by the society around us and it just so happens that capitalism rewards sociopathic/psycopathic traits

But aren't susceptability to social influences, gullibility, opportunism and competitiveness in search of dominance traits found in, along with other species, homo sapiens ?
"Isms" are an intellectualization of concepts that may not be instinctive or intrinsic. They are ideals that may be, and usually are, unachievable in terms of original intent. Certainly, many have noble objectives that ideally lead to betterment. A philosophical exercise and...perhaps...quandary.

 

[Levi68]

we are influenced by the society around us

how to get out of this vicious circle?