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Here is a great POV video.
One thing I noticed is the light bar, on the interior of the B-pillar.
One thing I noticed is the light bar, on the interior of the B-pillar.
E-Class (W213/C238/A238) [First drives] Mercedes-Benz E-Class (W213)
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The Mercedes-Benz W213 is the fifth generation of the E-Class range.
Body styles: sedan/saloon (W213), wagon/estate (S213), long wheelbase (V213), coupé (C238), cabriolet (A238). Production: 2016–2023. Predecessor: W212 E-Class. Successor: W214 E-Class, C236/A236 CLE.
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That's not part of the car. It's something you often see at motor shows in order for people to see the interior more clearly.
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I had some time to kill so I decided to kill on the MBUSA configurator and soon "my" $55,575 2017 E300 4Matic reached $75,755. Holy shit!
And it's not like I exaggerated with the optional extras. All I wanted was an E300 4Matic with (proper) leather seats, distronic plus, sport package, panorama sunroof, ventilated seats and metallic paint. No Designo paint and Designo interior, just selenite grey with black leather and burl walnut. No big deal, right? I didn't even tick the $4,550 Burmester 3D surround sound system.
I'm fairly sure that for $75,755 you can get a pre-owned W222 S550, which in my opinion is a much better value for money. You really have got to have an urge for new car smell to blow over 75k on a large car with an small engine.
And it's not like I exaggerated with the optional extras. All I wanted was an E300 4Matic with (proper) leather seats, distronic plus, sport package, panorama sunroof, ventilated seats and metallic paint. No Designo paint and Designo interior, just selenite grey with black leather and burl walnut. No big deal, right? I didn't even tick the $4,550 Burmester 3D surround sound system.
I'm fairly sure that for $75,755 you can get a pre-owned W222 S550, which in my opinion is a much better value for money. You really have got to have an urge for new car smell to blow over 75k on a large car with an small engine.
I built a 535i xDrive M sport on the BMW USA configurator. The options I ticked were alpine white with black nappa leather interior, dark wood trim, cold weather package, driver assistance package with active cruise control, full LED headlights, premium package and adaptive drive. The total was $74,945.
That sounds like a lot for a 5-series, but the 535i's 3.0 inline six with 300 hp sure beats the E300's 2.0 litre four pot with only 240 hp. However, like I said before, a second hand S-class is a better value for money or in this case a second hand 7-series.
That sounds like a lot for a 5-series, but the 535i's 3.0 inline six with 300 hp sure beats the E300's 2.0 litre four pot with only 240 hp. However, like I said before, a second hand S-class is a better value for money or in this case a second hand 7-series.
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I would be that MBUSA will juggle the pricing when the new I6 engines come for 2018 or 2019, but until then they're going to lose sales because the E300 is a little pricey and the E43 is probably going to be even more so and too much of a leap from the E300. A 329hp E400 is needed asap, but MBUSA is apparently on something else.
The E300 should be well under 50K, the E400 priced like a 535i or A6 3.0T and the E43 where the S6/550i M Sport is etc. Not sure why they don't see this, but sales have been brisk so far so maybe they don't know there is a problem. I know 2 people personally that have gotten the new E-Class and they love it.
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The E300 should be well under 50K, the E400 priced like a 535i or A6 3.0T and the E43 where the S6/550i M Sport is etc. Not sure why they don't see this, but sales have been brisk so far so maybe they don't know there is a problem. I know 2 people personally that have gotten the new E-Class and they love it.
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The development cost of the new E is unquestionably higher than the previous E-Class. The new one rides better, handles better and has a more refined interior and higher more refined option list. These refinements are reflected in the price gap.
If the new E300 for example were a $45k vehicle we would definitely see "lower quality" materials and an overall less refined vehicle as a package, but it could offer a V6 engine like the previous E for an even keel in pricing. I am thinking MB is using the 4-banger for the entry level E to keep pricing at a fair level while offering a better vehicle. A lot of car companies are doing this for their higher class "entry" level luxury models. Sacrifice the V6 for a 4-banger and through in more luxury features and an overall better car than the previous versions.
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I don't really agree with that. The new E is a much lighter, almost flimsy car compared to the old one. Better riding and handling doesn't cost a thing to develop and it surely shouldn't mean you sacrifice engines. There is a E400 everywhere else so MBUSA is the problem not the bosses in Germany. Over 60K and damn near 70K is too much for a 4-cylinder.
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Mercedes did just that and I figured this was partly case to keep MSRP prices about even while adding more features MB says. The new one is about $1000 cheaper than the outgoing E350 6-cylinder. The new one also uses more aluminum than the previous version to keep weight down but aluminum is more expensive to produce. I came across this article.
"The redesigned 2017 E class starts at $53,075, including shipping, for the entry-level E300 rear-wheel-drive sedan. The E300 4MATIC, with all-wheel drive, starts at $55,575, including shipping. The vehicles go on sale later this summer.
The lower price reflects the move to a four-cylinder engine, plus gains in production efficiencies, said Dietmar Exler, CEO of Mercedes-Benz USA, at a press event here.
The E300 replaces the outgoing E350 equipped with a six-cylinder engine. The 2016 E350 is priced at $54,025, including shipping. Mercedes officials say the four-cylinder in the 2017 model outperforms the outgoing six-cylinder in virtually every facet. It is the first four-cylinder E-class sedan ever in the U.S.
The 2 percent price drop becomes an 8 percent “value enhancement” when factoring in added new standard equipment, said Bart Herring, general manager of product management for Mercedes-Benz USA.
A price drop also pays dividends in lease-heavy segments.
“It should increase and help the residual value,” Exler said.
That means vehicle incentives don’t have to be as high to achieve a desired monthly lease rate."
Article from www.autonews.com on 2017 E300
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...17-e-class-sedan-nearly-$1000-lower-than-2016
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A lot of that is just marketing fluff and simply not true. C&D just tested the E300 and their lows stated it perfectly:
"Turbo four is slower than the previous V-6; has lost some of that old-school sense of substance."
Going from a V6 to an I4 is not an upgrade by any means and that value enhancement is just hogwash. The made the car cheaper both in build and under the hood and now to get it loaded it is nearly 70K, far beyond the old E350. Don't get me wrong it's a fine car, but it isn't perfect and the loss of some of that old Mercedes feeling is most troubling.
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Most likely it is the E 43. I still disapprove of MB's latest marketing practice of branding the "450" engine as "43 AMG".
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Strange because the c43 gets the AMG labeled steering wheel as well.
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