F80 Ferrari F80

[Centurion]

Should have just kept this camera angle the whole time. But no, apparently we need dramatic drone aerobatics for some reason.

Gotta mke the quiet driving experience look more viceral and emotional.

 

[Bucketslash11]

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[Rolf]

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Sounds terrible for a flagship Ferrari. I would rather buy the Purosangue just for the noise of its fabulous 6.5 NA V12.

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[martinbo]

Guys, c’mon. We’re talking la la land stuff. If you’ve got an allocation for an F80 then you’re a rockstar with Ferrari and you’re likely to have a whole bunch of great sounding cars - maybe even a 12Cilindri - to scratch that V12 itch. That’s plenty fast enough for any public road.
The F80 clearly has a different brief - to go round a circuit as quickly as possible.

The game’s moved on and the NA V12 has reached the maximum of its potential. Augmentation of the ICE is the order of the day. Batteries, motors and wiring are heavy. A big, heavy V12 added to this isn’t helping its own cause. Hybridisation means that the engine is no longer the centrepiece of the experience. It’s now just a component in the delivery of performance.

 

[Sunny]

Sounds terrible for a flagship Ferrari. I would rather buy the Purosangue just for the noise of its fabulous 6.5 NA V12.

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But you can't buy the F80 even if you wanted to. So that is a moot point. None of us can (in the history of this forum, I am aware of just 1 who can and probably will). And the folks who were offered the opportunity to own one, I am going to go out on a limb and say, they already have a Purosangue or 2 and a gaggle of other V12 Ferraris too. So I doubt they will miss the V12 sound much while enjoying boasting about their new acquisition with the Lemans winning engine.

You have to realize Ferrari knows its customers and what they want better than some car forum junkies.

 

[Gor134]

to go round a circuit as quickly as possible.

But that was never the goal of Ferrari's hypercars really, the XX and whatever special editions of them served that purpose. Ferraris hypercar was all about being an insane streetable car first and foremost, that happened to also be good on the track

 

[A.P.]

from Miller Motorcars on IG

That front overhang is something else. Did it really need two massive ducts in the hood? One is active the other is just regular... Why not have just the active one?

If Ferrari's flagship doesn't have glorious sound, then it isn't a flagship for me.

 

[Sunny]

If Ferrari's flagship doesn't have glorious sound, then it isn't a flagship for me.

But that is like me saying Adrian Lima is not my wife material (you are, if you are reading this!). She is not even aware of my unfavorable judgement, let alone be miffed by it.

 

[Rolf]

You have to realize Ferrari knows its customers and what they want better than some car forum junkies.

Do you think Ferrari customers or buyers of this car want a muffled V6 turbo in their flagship model when other high end 3 or 4 million dollar cars have more melodious sounding V8, V12 and V16 engines in NA and turbo hybrids? It's not the case of Ferrari giving what their customers want but more Ferrari putting in an engine that suits their own needs.

 

[Sunny]

Do you think Ferrari customers or buyers of this car want a muffled V6 turbo in their flagship model when other high end 3 or 4 million dollar cars have more melodious sounding V8, V12 and V16 engines in NA and turbo hybrids?

It doesn't matter what I think "Ferrari customers or buyers of this car want".

It's not the case of Ferrari giving what their customers want but more Ferrari putting in an engine that suits their own needs.

I didn't say "Ferrari is giving what their customers want". I don't know what they want. I said "Ferrari know their customers". And they know they will buy each and every one them at the price Ferrari ask for. So you or me opining about what their customers want is throwing sand into an ocean. You are free to do it, but it makes no difference. So carry on...

 

[Tourbillon]

 

[Laurent T]

I can't help but think they could/should have done something better for the rear wing.

 

[slicknick]

Absolutely no denying that it will be a monster, and will be mind-blowing to drive...Just that I wish it were a bit more pretty, a bit more flary....A bit more....Ferrari!!!

 

[klier]

Adrian Lima

You fancy her father?

 

[slicknick]

You fancy her father?

Guessing her genes must have come from good places ??

 

[StartYourEngines]

This is a stunning picture.
Just look at those classic IMSA endurance racers proportions of the F80, they make the Senna look like a bulked up C-segment car.

What do you think of this part? They claim 44% / 55% downforce split with a 42% / 58% weight distribution.
And do you think 1,050 kg @ 250 kph is real?

Sorry for the quite late reply.
I simply think that if there is a manufacturer in the world which has the know-how to do something (if they want), that is Ferrari.
Nobody else is building engines for GT3, LMH and F1 cars at the same time, nobody else is managing aerodynamics for GT3, LMH and F1 cars at the same time.
Of course they have support from external partners in these tasks, but all of this stands true at the core.
Moreover, it is very difficult for most of other manufacturers to match the expertise - and above all - the money that Ferrari can put into project development.
So yes, I think that they have the resources and the capabilities to match that claim, if they want.

Having said this, I believe that - at the moment - the F80 has to be among the most complex road legal cars ever conceived:

Electric turbos
MGU-K
MGU-H
LMH-derived AWD system with torque vectoring
Double wishbone, 3D-printed, true-active suspensions which can input instantaneous active force values at each wheel independently
Bespoke Michelin 2R-K1 tyres, described by Michelin as among the most advanced road-legal tyres they ever developed

This is like an AMG One with:

- more power
- less weight
- more downforce
- more advanced suspensions
- possibly, even more aggressive tyres compared to the already bespoke tyres of the One

We all know how incredibly capable the One turned out to be, so on paper the F80 has the potential to be a monster.

Then yes, you can achieve absolute (and maybe even higher) performance by other means, e.g. going by the approach of the Praga Bohema with lightweight and efficiency.
Also, with that lightweight approach is of course much easier to ensure another important factor which is often overlooked for this type of cars, i.e. performance repeatability, especially on track.
But in the end, we clearly all know that, for different reasons, Ferrari in this modern day and age would never do "a Bohema" as the heir car of their iconic 'supercar' lineage.
So they did what they could do best, i.e. putting into the F80 an immense amount of race-derived tech.
Of course, long-term maitenance of this thing is going to be no joke, but I don't think that it will be a major problem for Ferrari customers at this level anyway.
Other thing to mention is future appreciation and resale value, because once specs and performance of this car will be eclipsed in the future, it is true that it's won't have a naturally aspirated Ferrari V12 engine to boost its value up. However, I think it is obviously too early to discuss about this, also because the market is unpredictable.
And honestly, this is not going to be my problem anyway, so who cares in the end.

 

[Revvd]

This is a stunning picture.
Just look at those classic IMSA endurance racers proportions of the F80, they make the Senna look like a bulked up C-segment car.

It's funny how much wider the F80 looks in comparison. The pictures are in scale!

 

[Rolf]

I was looking at the F80 video with the classic racing cars on FB and I was reading the comments and most people who saw the video were not happy about the way it sounded and did not like it's styling.

Here are some hilarious comments for your entertainment.

 

[martinbo]

What’s funnier - and more depressing still - is how many stupid people have access to the internet.

 

[Gianclaudio]

What’s funnier - and more depressing still - is how many stupid people have access to the internet.

Oh com'on, let's not be so hard with Rolf.

Kidding aside, those whining about the lack of n.a. V12 noise, would be the first to complain on how Ferrari dropped the ball, as it would get slaughtered in acceleration and laps by the Mac W1; just as happens with the Revuelto and lesser class rivals.
As much as everyone loves the noise from a n.a. V12, it's simply too heavy and inadequate for the current gen hypermegacars